If you believe that only civil servants serve the nation and the private sectors, businessmen, web entrepreneurs, engineers, farmers, sweepers and the rest of the people are only serving themselves, then you guys really don't know what serving the nation means.

Can anyone afford a good school for their kids in this meager salary? Perks are not everything. Furnished big houses are available in far off areas, and so are the vehicles. Come to big cities and conditions are dismal for civil servants. If you want to teach, you can't teach in academies in remote areas. For that you have to come to big cities.
As far as vehicles are concerned, these vehicles are for official use and with limited fuel. Though almost everyone use it for personal purposes, but can one drive SUV with the salary of a civil servant. It has limited fuel for official purposes. These are gas guzzlers.

If someone is from very poor background, this job is an improvement many notches above their shackles of unemployment and low income upbringing. But even they feel the pinch when they are trying to match the lifestyle with the demands.

One should know the reality before one plunges into preparing for civil service.
And trust me folks, you won't be able to serve people. That's the biggest joke ever. 70 years and conditions of the cities have been dismal. Change comes from without, not within. Reforms will come from politicians who are agents of change owing to pressures from public, not bureaucrats. Bureaucracy is meant to preserve the system and status quo, not change it. The sooner you realize this, the better it will be for you.

In short, CSS is an overrated field. Students rush toward CSS just because of getting social status. Our achievements in private sector has no value in the eyes of our relatives. They just say, even if you are director in some private firm, "private naukri krta ha" This concept has to change!

You are putting words in my mouth. Every one plays a role in the society in one way or the other but they are driven to make a living for themselves. Civil Service as the name sounds should be beyond ones desire to make a career/ living for him/herself. It should have a selfless aspect to it.

Sad but true.

It seems that you have taken my original statement personally and out of context. No is doubting your contribution to the country in your role as a web entrepreneur. Or the respective contributions of the countless professions that you have mentioned. But I would strongly recommend that you study the concept of public and private sector that is commonly taught under macroeconomic theory. It has long been established that the public sector exists because it caters to the markets that aren't deemed to be profitable by private businessmen.

Let me further break it down for you. One of my closes friends works as engineer for Nestle. Now Nestle creates a lot of jobs in the country, but their prime motivation is not the greater good, its maximizing their profits. The fact that jobs are being created is a ripple effect.

Also, on a different note, while I do appreciate the contributions that you and other moderators make to this forum, I don't think it affords you the luxury to resort to sarcasm. The best way to enlighten someone is through educated arguments, rather than childish and immature use of emoticons.

You have to make compromises when you are a civil servant. Have a small family, it is easier to afford school fees of 1 kid instead of 5. Grade-19 PAS Officer Hamza Shafqaat teaches at NOA Academy Islamabad.

This is only your perception dear go and look at profiles of officers and you will realize that they are from very diverse backgrounds.

This is the kind of attitude because of which Pakistan is in this state of abysmal. Please try to understand that nothing is easy in this world. Yes, the system is flawed and corrupt but if you want to improve it then you have to be a part of it and try to bring positive change as much as possible.


You summed it up perfectly.

I said academies exist only in big cities. Then, Grade 19 PAS officer resides in Islamabad. You should have read my post before posting this example. And what is the fee of good schools like Headstart, LGS and Froebels for one kid? Find the answer and then you will know what I am talking about.

They are from diverse backgrounds but like I said, when you're poor this job is an improvement, otherwise it is not. And if you have a lot of rental income to support you in this job, that's another matter. I am assuming a person that has just one source of income and that's his government job.

If by some chance you get into civil service, remind yourself of the same conversation after two years of service.

Yes I misread your previous comment, it is true that academics are only in big cities, but still, if your aim is to do something good for the society then you can adjust with the meager pay of the government.

Secondly those are the top schools and they are also in big cities so if you are posted in a big city then you can earn extra form academies and send your kids to those schools. There are many good private schools with affordable tuition as low as Rs5000-6000/month and kids who go to these institutions turn out to be as competent as those from the elite school.

Thirdly, if you think that change cannot come then that's your opinion. I can give you many examples of officers who are doing great work for Pakistan.

Civil Service is a Sham Service:1. Lower Middle Class, Middle Middle Class and Upper Middle Class Civil Servants: They do it for the satisfaction of their ego and making some bucks via mis-use of the attached authority and perks & privileges. In a nutshell, they aspire for this to secure their individual or at the most their family's interest.2. Upper Class: They aspire for this to protect their class interest, majority of them opt only for that group which is relevant to their group business/interest. 3. Political Class: (every Tom, Dick and Harry of Politics) they make their progenies aspire for this for obvious reasons......4. Criminal Class: They aspire for this to shield their positions by having someone with influence in Police and other departments.5. Poor Class: This is not their cup of tea as it's inaccessible for them.@bilalhassan: dear, in fact and by rules, these vehicles and everything is a trust of your country, these are not there for your pleasure ride.CSS Bonanza (Reason): The most important factor for this insanity of everybody's going after the CSS is that we are living in a very corrupt society, everyone is a hypocrite here.... If a person can't get his birth certificate or a domicile without paying bribes to a government servant........This is only our social construction that makes us choose between singing solyloquies or becoming part of this delinquent, fundamentally bad and totally corrupt system not to reform it but to adopt it with everything it has... Nobody is there for serving their compatriots..... The rest is history, read it and share that here. Good luck to those who made it in the written! Dedication to those who're lagging behind: "Tundi-ye-baad e mukhalif se na gabhra aye uqaab; yeh tu chalte hai tujhe ouncha urhanay k liye".

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