CSS vs Engineering Career abroad
 

Dear friends, seniors and the css qaulifiers,

i have a query regarding css and the engineering career abroad. my question is that how you guys wld compare the css and the engineering career abroad, cuz the reason of my query is that i appeared in CE 2011 and merely with the preparation of 3 to 4 months i got 590 marks, that was my first and attempt and two attempts left. I am a bit confused cuz, I am professional engineer and i have a sure shot career abroad, as there is uncertainty in the CSS career so wht you wld suggest me whether i continue the css preparation or to go for my engineering career.

Please, it is my earnest request to all seniors and esp. CSS qualifiers to guide me, so that i cld make the decision considering you valuable responses and suggestions.

thanks in advance.


wannabe

[QUOTE=wannabe;405934]Dear friends, seniors and the css qaulifiers,

i have a query regarding css and the engineering career abroad. my question is that how you guys wld compare the css and the engineering career abroad, cuz the reason of my query is that i appeared in CE 2011 and merely with the preparation of 3 to 4 months i got 590 marks, that was my first and attempt and two attempts left. I am a bit confused cuz, I am professional engineer and i have a sure shot career abroad, as there is uncertainty in the CSS career so wht you wld suggest me whether i continue the css preparation or to go for my engineering career.

Please, it is my earnest request to all seniors and esp. CSS qualifiers to guide me, so that i cld make the decision considering you valuable responses and suggestions.

thanks in advance.


wannabe[/QUOTE]

It depends upon your preference:

if you desire to have Authority, Power and social recognition.........should go for CSS preparation and ultimately will achieve the same by means of hard working................

if you want to have high earning ................ must go abroad in your field.

regards

Hussain Qureshi

I second Hussain Qureshi..

I would say brother Know thyself :)

and if still you cannot decide then it may sound strange to you but if I were you I would have asked my parents about their preference also after communicating them my interest...

and even then if you are indecisive or have any queries in mind i would suggest you do istekhara and ask Alllah as to what is better for you..

Godspeed! :)

[QUOTE=wannabe;405934]Dear friends, seniors and the css qaulifiers,

i have a query regarding css and the engineering career abroad. my question is that how you guys wld compare the css and the engineering career abroad, cuz the reason of my query is that i appeared in CE 2011 and merely with the preparation of 3 to 4 months i got 590 marks, that was my first and attempt and two attempts left. I am a bit confused cuz, I am professional engineer and i have a sure shot career abroad, as there is uncertainty in the CSS career so wht you wld suggest me whether i continue the css preparation or to go for my engineering career.

Please, it is my earnest request to all seniors and esp. CSS qualifiers to guide me, so that i cld make the decision considering you valuable responses and suggestions.

thanks in advance.


wannabe[/QUOTE]
I have been abroad...Where would you go? America? Europe? Arab world? Man there is nothing out there...Sure you will have a career but only hand to mouth. It's not easy to be accustomed of life abroad...

How long would you stay there?
Jobs are not easy to find specially after economic recession.
What is aim of your life? Moderate living with respect?

There is no job that is better than CSS in the entire world. You earn Respect, Prestige, make excellent friends. Above all you get self acquisition and Pride. You are a Bright candidate and my humble advice would be stay here and Try even harder for CSS with full preparation and effort.

One final thing, your engineering career is going no where, You can start that even after a year or two but do not miss the chance of this opportunity. I wish you all the very best.

Regards,
Omar.

[QUOTE=wannabe;405934]Dear friends, seniors and the css qaulifiers,

i have a query regarding css and the engineering career abroad. my question is that how you guys wld compare the css and the engineering career abroad, cuz the reason of my query is that i appeared in CE 2011 and merely with the preparation of 3 to 4 months i got 590 marks, that was my first and attempt and two attempts left. I am a bit confused cuz, I am professional engineer and i have a sure shot career abroad, as there is uncertainty in the CSS career so wht you wld suggest me whether i continue the css preparation or to go for my engineering career.

Please, it is my earnest request to all seniors and esp. CSS qualifiers to guide me, so that i cld make the decision considering you valuable responses and suggestions.

thanks in advance.


wannabe[/QUOTE]


As i have seen the abroad and my friends who have prestigious jobs in engineering fields i would suggest to you if you want to earn money then go to engineering and if power then for CSS.now its up to you.Economic recession will not remain forever.we know this.maximum a year more !

Yeah Omar i was planning for gulf region, anyways, thanks Omar, i liked the way you explained, as you have experience abroad so you wld be understanding the situation abroad. Thanks for your valuable suggestion.

Yar its all depends upon your attitude.......... if you are good at engg have keen interest.......go with it y to take chance with css but only if u know u r gud.............. and as far as power, social recognisation and blah blah are concerned............. if the world know u as Engg. XYZ then these all things dose not matter.........

I just wanna say do wat u lik n do it at ur bst.......Have a great future

Posting in this thread 3.5 years after its creation. What do you guys still think? CSS or Engineering Career abroad?
I am going through this dilemma, I even had a job abroad but left it to come back and give CSS exams in 2015. I gave the exams and results are near, but as these 2 years have passed, I have grown very disillusioned with this place and the way things are over here. I have become quite disconnected from this place and my people. Now I don't even feel like going for CSS as life abroad was really good. I need some guidance please.

[QUOTE=kingfalcon;861679]Posting in this thread 3.5 years after its creation. What do you guys still think? CSS or Engineering Career abroad?
I am going through this dilemma, I even had a job abroad but left it to come back and give CSS exams in 2015. I gave the exams and results are near, but as these 2 years have passed, I have grown very disillusioned with this place and the way things are over here. I have become quite disconnected from this place and my people. Now I don't even feel like going for CSS as life abroad was really good. I need some guidance please.[/QUOTE]
Kingfalcon, I am a doctor, alumnus of one of the top Medical colleges of Punjab. Our seniors used to advise us during my MBBS years in these words (and I really hated these words at that time): "Pakistan se zindaa bhaag". After my house job, I advise the same to my juniors (in softer words though). Pakistan has become a nightmare for professionals. A skilled professional is an asset, and is treated as such in developed countries. That's not the case in Pakistan. There's nothing like being the master of your own fate; making a living through your hard-earned skills is both fulfilling and rewarding. Civil "servants" are servants of politicians here in Pakistan. Yes, there are privileges and perks. But that's nothing compared to the fulfilment you get by doing work in your own field. I myself wanted to go abroad, but my parents want me to stay. And that is why I am trying my luck in CSS even though I am a skilled professional who can, by Allah's grace, make career anywhere in the world. :)

Life in Abroad is very tough and hard, I spent one year in USA. Lots of Pakistani are working there. Majority are Doctors and engineers, they earn a lot of money. the doctor getting above 8 lakh per month while engineer receiving above 10 lakh salary per month,but they are not happy in their life.
My Advice for you that you must avail css opportunity, and it will be very good if you will selected in FSP, where Money, respect, everything you will get easily.

[QUOTE=Cogito Ergo Sum;861720]Kingfalcon, I am a doctor, alumnus of one of the top Medical colleges of Punjab. Our seniors used to advise us during my MBBS years in these words (and I really hated these words at that time): "Pakistan se zindaa bhaag". After my house job, I advise the same to my juniors (in softer words though). Pakistan has become a nightmare for professionals. A skilled professional is an asset, and is treated as such in developed countries. That's not the case in Pakistan. There's nothing like being the master of your own fate; making a living through your hard-earned skills is both fulfilling and rewarding. Civil "servants" are servants of politicians here in Pakistan. Yes, there are privileges and perks. But that's nothing compared to the fulfilment you get by doing work in your own field. I myself wanted to go abroad, but my parents want me to stay. And that is why I am trying my luck in CSS even though I am a skilled professional who can, by Allah's grace, make career anywhere in the world. :)[/QUOTE]

I have the same thoughts bro.. It's a sad and sorry state of affairs here, biggest problem being that most people have got used to this abnormal life and ways here. I don't know, would you be a king in hell or an ordinary person in heaven? Problem is that if you have to live in Pakistan, you have to be a CSS/Army officer or someone very rich/influential or else its a dog's life. But when I look at society as a whole, even if we become CSS officers, the pond is still not clean so how will we be happy and not get dirty. I have invested a lot in my education in UK and I just don't want to waste it. The quality and standard of life abroad is very very good but then the respect, power, prestige, benefits etc of CSS are not there unless you become a citizen and join their service or politics etc.

[QUOTE=sincer khan;861799]Life in Abroad is very tough and hard, I spent one year in USA. Lots of Pakistani are working there. Majority are Doctors and engineers, they earn a lot of money. the doctor getting above 8 lakh per month while engineer receiving above 10 lakh salary per month,but they are not happy in their life.
My Advice for you that you must avail css opportunity, and it will be very good if you will selected in FSP, where Money, respect, everything you will get easily.[/QUOTE]

But don't you think money is very important realistically speaking. The kinds of demands you have to fulfil need a lot of money nowadays. I think doctors earn much more than that over there, much more than engineers but even 10 for an engineer is very good. I think if you have family with you abroad and earning good, then there shouldn't be any problem. As I said above, would you be a king in hell or an ordinary person in heaven? That is the question. Since the 60s and 70s, we are going backwards and I don't see a change for the next 20-30 years. FSP seems like a good one, I agree.

[QUOTE=kingfalcon;861920]I have the same thoughts bro.. It's a sad and sorry state of affairs here, biggest problem being that most people have got used to this abnormal life and ways here. I don't know, would you be a king in hell or an ordinary person in heaven? Problem is that if you have to live in Pakistan, you have to be a CSS/Army officer or someone very rich/influential or else its a dog's life. But when I look at society as a whole, even if we become CSS officers, the pond is still not clean so how will we be happy and not get dirty. I have invested a lot in my education in UK and I just don't want to waste it. The quality and standard of life abroad is very very good but then the respect, power, prestige, benefits etc of CSS are not there unless you become a citizen and join their service or politics etc.



But don't you think money is very important realistically speaking. The kinds of demands you have to fulfil need a lot of money nowadays. I think doctors earn much more than that over there, much more than engineers but even 10 for an engineer is very good. I think if you have family with you abroad and earning good, then there shouldn't be any problem. As I said above, would you be a king in hell or an ordinary person in heaven? That is the question. Since the 60s and 70s, we are going backwards and I don't see a change for the next 20-30 years. FSP seems like a good one, I agree.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree when you say that life of an ordinary person here is no better than a dog's life, unfortunately. As I said, if someone has an opportunity to leave, I think he should definitely avail. If you don't have family issues etc, I would recommend you leave CSS and go for a professional job abroad.

[QUOTE=Cogito Ergo Sum;861965]I completely agree when you say that life of an ordinary person here is no better than a dog's life, unfortunately. As I said, if someone has an opportunity to leave, I think he should definitely avail. If you don't have family issues etc, I would recommend you leave CSS and go for a professional job abroad.[/QUOTE]

Ah family issues have been the source of so many problems in my life. But I have convinced my parent that I might have to go abroad and that things have to be managed somehow during my absence, but if I send good money from abroad then that should help things a lot.

I understand the urge for going abroad but do keep in mind that raising a family in the west is not something I would recommend to any Pakistani, at all. You never know what your kids are going to turn out like. The moral degeneration that that society is going through is leading it to its death and keeping your children safe from it while living there is well-nigh impossible. Just the thought of even sending my kids to school there makes me feel a little uneasy. Call me paranoid but I don't want my kids to grow up with the filth that their children grow up with. :sick

Those countries maybe developed & first world countries in an economic sense with a high Human Development Index but personally, from a moral & ethical stand point, I think they are 3rd world countries with the lowest HDI possible & their filth keeps dripping into our countries through the media. Even otherwise, taking US as an example, they may boast to be a great democracy but underneath these proud proclamations is a decadent political system in which bribery has been made legal by giving it a different name, something which hasn't even happened in Pakistan yet. If you don't have a huge amount of money you can't even win a mayor's seat. Statistically speaking, the candidate who spends the most amount of money in an election, be it a presidential or senate election, wins. There is no democracy or justice or freedom.

BTW, by no means am I discounting a certain kind of validity of the current HDI and economy measuring techniques. In fact, HDI was even developed by a Pakistani. I'm just saying that economy or so called literacy rate is not the only thing which makes humanity prosper and reach its pinnacle. After all, if economy is everything then every one of us is missing out on lots of dough by not adopting the oldest profession as a part time job :ohmy:. If fraud is institutionalized and covered up with fancy names, humanity is degraded in the name of catchy slogans like absolute freedom of speech, absolute freedom of choice, feminism etc., women are degraded under the cover of "women empowerment" etc. etc. then that society is a degenerating society hell bent on self destruction & human degradation. No amount of economic might will save its future or even current generations from behaving like wild animals instead of actual human beings. Off course this is a subjective point of view. But still, Islam is the basis of morality from our stand point.

Inshallah, if Allah ever gave me enough strength, one of these days I'm going to register an NGO which is going to release alternative HDI ratings which is going to take into accounts things like moral depravity, mental health & stability, true woman empowerment etc. from the point of view of the Islamic civilization instead of a purely economic one as espoused by the UN. I think its important to at least get our point of view out there so that at least our people realize that we have values that elevate humanity to a higher status and which must not be compromised, unlike the west. Eventually, at least alternative media will pick it up for everyone in the world to read and understand.

I agree with Xing Lee, what he says is true. But his words deviate a little bit from the practical realm to the realm of idealism :)

And, good luck to you kingfalcon. I pray that you have a happy and prosperous life, wherever you choose to live. :)

Xing Lee: It is precisely the mindset that you just represented which makes me want to leave this country. I don't want my kids to grow up in this mess, I would very much like them to grow up in a better place. Please get a reality check.

[QUOTE=kingfalcon;863769]Xing Lee: It is precisely the mindset that you just represented which makes me want to leave this country. I don't want my kids to grow up in this mess, I would very much like them to grow up in a better place. Please get a reality check.[/QUOTE]
Then my friend, we really do have a very different understanding of the world. At least now you can't say you weren't warned if, God forbid, things blow up in your face one sad day. Good luck :vic

[QUOTE=Xing Lee;863056]I understand the urge for going abroad but do keep in mind that raising a family in the west is not something I would recommend to any Pakistani, at all. You never know what your kids are going to turn out like. The moral degeneration that that society is going through is leading it to its death and keeping your children safe from it while living there is well-nigh impossible. Just the thought of even sending my kids to school there makes me feel a little uneasy. Call me paranoid but I don't want my kids to grow up with the filth that their children grow up with. :sick

Those countries maybe developed & first world countries in an economic sense with a high Human Development Index but personally, from a moral & ethical stand point, I think they are 3rd world countries with the lowest HDI possible & their filth keeps dripping into our countries through the media. Even otherwise, taking US as an example, they may boast to be a great democracy but underneath these proud proclamations is a decadent political system in which bribery has been made legal by giving it a different name, something which hasn't even happened in Pakistan yet. If you don't have a huge amount of money you can't even win a mayor's seat. Statistically speaking, the candidate who spends the most amount of money in an election, be it a presidential or senate election, wins. There is no democracy or justice or freedom.

BTW, by no means am I discounting a certain kind of validity of the current HDI and economy measuring techniques. In fact, HDI was even developed by a Pakistani. I'm just saying that economy or so called literacy rate is not the only thing which makes humanity prosper and reach its pinnacle. After all, if economy is everything then every one of us is missing out on lots of dough by not adopting the oldest profession as a part time job :ohmy:. If fraud is institutionalized and covered up with fancy names, humanity is degraded in the name of catchy slogans like absolute freedom of speech, absolute freedom of choice, feminism etc., women are degraded under the cover of "women empowerment" etc. etc. then that society is a degenerating society hell bent on self destruction & human degradation. No amount of economic might will save its future or even current generations from behaving like wild animals instead of actual human beings. Off course this is a subjective point of view. But still, Islam is the basis of morality from our stand point.

Inshallah, if Allah ever gave me enough strength, one of these days I'm going to register an NGO which is going to release alternative HDI ratings which is going to take into accounts things like moral depravity, mental health & stability, true woman empowerment etc. from the point of view of the Islamic civilization instead of a purely economic one as espoused by the UN. I think its important to at least get our point of view out there so that at least our people realize that we have values that elevate humanity to a higher status and which must not be compromised, unlike the west. Eventually, at least alternative media will pick it up for everyone in the world to read and understand.[/QUOTE]

Excellent approach! Close to "Actual Reality"......

guide me plz
 

Hi everyone,
I am a female electrical engineering graduate from UET, Lahore in 1st division. I am currently serving as an inspector (BS 16) in Airports Security Force. I graduated from UET in 2007, and I have no experience of working in my own field. The only experience I have is that of security. Now please guide me as to what is the scope of my engineering degree abroad. Do keep in mind that it has been a couple of years since I graduated, and I do not possess any experience in my Electrical Engg. field. Also guide me as to what should be my modus operandi for seeking job abroad? Do I still stand a chance for a good job in Australia, although I am not fresh or experienced?

[QUOTE=new_horizons;863919]Hi everyone,
I am a female electrical engineering graduate from UET, Lahore in 1st division. I am currently serving as an inspector (BS 16) in Airports Security Force. I graduated from UET in 2007, and I have no experience of working in my own field. The only experience I have is that of security. Now please guide me as to what is the scope of my engineering degree abroad. Do keep in mind that it has been a couple of years since I graduated, and I do not possess any experience in my Electrical Engg. field. Also guide me as to what should be my modus operandi for seeking job abroad? Do I still stand a chance for a good job in Australia, although I am not fresh or experienced?[/QUOTE]

Dubai, Middle East and Gulf Countries will be best option for you, specially for engineers, Go For a 40 days visit, you will easily find any job in your field related,

[QUOTE=sincer khan;864002]Dubai, Middle East and Gulf Countries will be best option for you, specially for engineers, Go For a 40 days visit, you will easily find any job in your field related,[/QUOTE]

Thanx. Others are also requested to advice.

[QUOTE=new_horizons;864176]Thanx. Others are also requested to advice.[/QUOTE]
You may get jobs related to safety and security . Search the jobs on internet .Go through the job description and you will come to know about jobs in gulf countries. Then do your home work to decide for moving abroad and contact your sources there, if any; to know about the job conditions and availability. Whenever you go , never leave your present job. Just take a leave and if you find a job of your choice , you may resign from the present job .
Regards,

[B][/B][QUOTE=new_horizons;863919]Hi everyone,
I am a female electrical engineering graduate from UET, Lahore in 1st division. I am currently serving as an inspector (BS 16) in Airports Security Force. I graduated from UET in 2007, and I have no experience of working in my own field. The only experience I have is that of security. Now please guide me as to what is the scope of my engineering degree abroad. Do keep in mind that it has been a couple of years since I graduated, and I do not possess any experience in my Electrical Engg. field. Also guide me as to what should be my modus operandi for seeking job abroad? Do I still stand a chance for a good job in Australia, although I am not fresh or experienced?[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately engineering field jobs are male dominant around the globe at the moment. However , there is a great potential in research and academic sides of engineering. Normally engineers prefer field jobs. Resultantly, there is left less competition in academic career. Especially there has always been a scarcity of phd engineers and that would remain forever, as a very small chunk of engineers choose an academic career as a career path. Recently in pakistan a fresh foreign qualified engineer phd is paid about 3lac monthly . Hence I would strongly suggest you to pursue a career in academic jobs. Moreover, there are abundance of scholarships available in this field . All industrialised countries are offering lucrative scholarships to attract the young talent of developing countries. yet , getting a scholarship is not that easy, for one needs proper guidance and information about the whole process. Anyways, these difficulties can be surmounted with a little effort. Wish you good luck.

[QUOTE=kingfalcon;861679]Posting in this thread 3.5 years after its creation. What do you guys still think? CSS or Engineering Career abroad?
I am going through this dilemma, I even had a job abroad but left it to come back and give CSS exams in 2015. I gave the exams and results are near, but as these 2 years have passed, I have grown very disillusioned with this place and the way things are over here. I have become quite disconnected from this place and my people. Now I don't even feel like going for CSS as life abroad was really good. I need some guidance please.[/QUOTE]
Give CSS your best shot, it's a no brainer. I have been abroad for the last few years for university. I lived a very comfortable life in pakistan and i am living a great life in canada as well.
I am planning to appear in the CSS exam myself after getting an MBA. Pakistan is actually a great country if you are financially well off. You would without a doubt live a more comfortable live as a csp than an engineer in the US.

And on the point regarding disillusionment with pakistani people, you have to recognize that pakistan is a very dynamic country like any other country with all kinds of people, you just have find the right crowd.

The bottom line is, however, you will always have the option to abroad, get a job and join the rat race. CSS is only an option for limited time, whether you end up joining the bureaucracy or not, you will regret not giving it your best shot.

[QUOTE=Faisal995;893656]Give CSS your best shot, it's a no brainer. I have been abroad for the last few years for university. I lived a very comfortable life in pakistan and i am living a great life in canada as well.
I am planning to appear in the CSS exam myself after getting an MBA. Pakistan is actually a great country if you are financially well off. You would without a doubt live a more comfortable live as a csp than an engineer in the US.

And on the point regarding disillusionment with pakistani people, you have to recognize that pakistan is a very dynamic country like any other country with all kinds of people, you just have find the right crowd.

The bottom line is, however, you will always have the option to abroad, get a job and join the rat race. CSS is only an option for limited time, whether you end up joining the bureaucracy or not, you will regret not giving it your best shot.[/QUOTE]

You are right on many things and that is why I came back so that I wont have regrets in the future but I am quite disappointed with this place and its CSS. Once you come back, you will get disillusioned as well, very soon.. The more days pass, the more I yearn for a nice life in a developed country. I have started the process of finding jobs abroad and hopefully will get something soon. Next time, I'm not making the same mistake.

[QUOTE=kingfalcon;861920]I have the same thoughts bro.. It's a sad and sorry state of affairs here, biggest problem being that most people have got used to this abnormal life and ways here. I don't know, would you be a king in hell or an ordinary person in heaven? Problem is that if you have to live in Pakistan, you have to be a CSS/Army officer or someone very rich/influential or else its a dog's life. But when I look at society as a whole, even if we become CSS officers, the pond is still not clean so how will we be happy and not get dirty. I have invested a lot in my education in UK and I just don't want to waste it. The quality and standard of life abroad is very very good but then the respect, power, prestige, benefits etc of CSS are not there unless you become a citizen and join their service or politics etc.



But don't you think money is very important realistically speaking. The kinds of demands you have to fulfil need a lot of money nowadays. I think doctors earn much more than that over there, much more than engineers but even 10 for an engineer is very good. I think if you have family with you abroad and earning good, then there shouldn't be any problem. As I said above, would you be a king in hell or an ordinary person in heaven? That is the question. Since the 60s and 70s, we are going backwards and I don't see a change for the next 20-30 years. FSP seems like a good one, I agree.[/QUOTE]

I fall in the same category :), if it clicked here, good, otherwise Zinda bhaag from Pakistan.

[QUOTE=roberti;902312]I fall in the same category :), if it clicked here, good, otherwise Zinda bhaag from Pakistan.[/QUOTE]

Life in Foreign is very tough and complicated, you will pay your full salary to tax department in foreign. Pakistan is Pakistan, very Relax Life

[QUOTE=sincer khan;902321]Life in Foreign is very tough and complicated, you will pay your full salary to tax department in foreign. Pakistan is Pakistan, very Relax Life[/QUOTE]
As far as pay package is concerned abroad is better than CSS. But if we see big picture than CSS (or any other good job) is far better than abroad.

[QUOTE=Z Ali S;902326]As far as pay package is concerned abroad is better than CSS. But if we see big picture than CSS (or any other good job) is far better than abroad.[/QUOTE]

Maybe, Dubai and other gulf countries will be good for Doctors, engineers, and for accounts group, but life in USA and England is much tough and Fast, if you will get 6 lakh salary per month, you will pay 2/3 of your salary to tax department, as well as your duty timing will also be very tough. so it is better if someone has bps 17 or above job in prestigious department of Pakistan, or has stable business in Pakistan, they will be more happy than abroad.