css and nepotism
 

I heard from a number of reasonable people that it is necessary to have some strong back or some kind of heavy reference to enter in bureaucracy field through CSS.. If you don't have any reference or you are not from elite class than it is almost impossible for you to clear all the process.. if you clear CSS written exam (which is not a big issues anyways) they will screwed you in interview or medical but never declare you perfect for seat.. I want to know the actual figures regarding CSS transparency.. is it true, if so than upto which extent?? is there any merit or place for ordinary class people or not.. I want to know ground realities, so I can decide weather try for it or not.. because in my opinion if there is no chance for ordinary class than it is better to chose some other field despite wasting time for nothing.. kindly guide me regarding my doubts.. because I am really interested in joining bureaucracy but I'm also not in the favour of time wastage. thanks

No, It is completely wrong, there is pure merit in FPSC CSS exam, every year many Poor candidate pass css without any reference and nepotism, ISSB and css is the only procedure of recruitment system in Pakistan, where everything is on pure merit

No, it's not like that! This competitive exam is the only exam in Pakistan which is more than transparent, just like ISSB as sincer khan said above.

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height required for PSP
 

[QUOTE]hope it would be as what are you saying. Thanks for your remarks.. kindly tell me what is minimum height required for PSP[/QUOTE]


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dear sincere khan,

i disagree with your opinion that ISSB is transparent process. if you are the son of any officer serving or retired or have any source in ISSB Then you are selected.reference and background is preferred. And in very rare cases the ordinary peoples are selected. but the over all process of ISSB is based on nepotism.

[QUOTE=ahsanktk;912889]dear sincere khan,

i disagree with your opinion that ISSB is transparent process. if you are the son of any officer serving or retired or have any source in ISSB Then you are selected.reference and background is preferred. And in very rare cases the ordinary peoples are selected. but the over all process of ISSB is based on nepotism.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for disagreeing with you, but it's not like the way you described. If you fulfill the criteria of ISSB then you will get selected. I have seen many examples in my life, even one of my friend was selected in Army having no one prior of him had served in any force.

[QUOTE=ahsanktk;912889]dear sincere khan,

i disagree with your opinion that ISSB is transparent process. if you are the son of any officer serving or retired or have any source in ISSB Then you are selected.reference and background is preferred. And in very rare cases the ordinary peoples are selected. but the over all process of ISSB is based on nepotism.[/QUOTE]

and hundred of my friends are serving in army as officer and they have no background of army, if you are psychologically fit for army, you will be selected, otherwise hundred of brigadiers, colonel/major son has been rejected. army is only institute of Pakistan where value of talent is matter. a second rank leftain become general through his own talent,

Dear in issb maximum officer's belonging get selected and it is reality that nepotism in ISSB is common and it is also true that nepotism in FPSC is little bit but not at all.
Mostly candidate from backward areas and poor family got selected .
It all depends upon your preparation ,hard working and God gifted skills.
By hard working you will snatch your desired allocation .
Regard.

ISSB Process
 

Inspired to tell you my side of the story,I vouch that I appeared in PMA-125 Long Course. After clearing all stages, in Interview the guy Heading the Panel asked at end;
"Have you any DIRECT relationing Officer of minimum Colonel level in PAK ARMY.
I said NO
"You CANNOT join Pak Army." He said
meaning that Dont bother to apply again

[QUOTE=Rancorous;913271]Inspired to tell you my side of the story,I vouch that I appeared in PMA-125 Long Course. After clearing all stages, in Interview the guy Heading the Panel asked at end;
"Have you any DIRECT relationing Officer of minimum Colonel level in PAK ARMY.
I said NO
"You CANNOT join Pak Army." He said
meaning that Dont bother to apply again[/QUOTE]
Lies...
My brother is a cadet CAE-86 and my dad was a non commissioned soldier. (Havaldar)
Don't blame your incompetence on the system.
Learn to change your mistakes.
Yes, the question is asked but there is nothing of minimum colonel level.

Many of my school friends went to army. Girls and boys both, parents of all belonged to non commissioned ranks.
Many backward pakhtuns are selected who are mesmerized to see the academy.
If you are good enough, nothing can stop you.

Please don't believe in such rumours.
And prepare for psych assessment beforehand.
It matters a lot.



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[QUOTE=Rancorous;913271]Inspired to tell you my side of the story,I vouch that I appeared in PMA-125 Long Course. After clearing all stages, in Interview the guy Heading the Panel asked at end;
"Have you any DIRECT relationing Officer of minimum Colonel level in PAK ARMY.
I said NO
"You CANNOT join Pak Army." He said
meaning that Dont bother to apply again[/QUOTE]

Completely Disagree with you my dear, "Angoor Khatty Hain" wali bat mat karo. whenever any candidate failed in issb, he says sifarish is necessary for selection in Pak Army.. So you were not fit for Pak Army therefore you have not recommended by the Board

[QUOTE=Nazish Hina;913469]Lies...
My brother is a cadet CAE-86 and my dad was a non commissioned soldier. (Havaldar)
Don't blame your incompetence on the system.
Learn to change your mistakes.
Yes, the question is asked but there is nothing of minimum colonel level.

Many of my school friends went to army. Girls and boys both, parents of all belonged to non commissioned ranks.
Many backward pakhtuns are selected who are mesmerized to see the academy.
If you are good enough, nothing can stop you.

Please don't believe in such rumours.
And prepare for psych assessment beforehand.
It matters a lot.



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Backward Pukhtoon? Typical mental level of an army boot polisher..sorry to say..Instead you can use word people from less developed areas..anyhow I have observed this behavior in many boot lickers..

[QUOTE=Rancorous;913271]Inspired to tell you my side of the story,I vouch that I appeared in PMA-125 Long Course. After clearing all stages, in Interview the guy Heading the Panel asked at end;
"Have you any DIRECT relationing Officer of minimum Colonel level in PAK ARMY.
I said NO
"You CANNOT join Pak Army." He said
meaning that Dont bother to apply again[/QUOTE]
Same happened to my brother..you are not a single one..when it comes to fair selection, FPSC is thousand times better than ISSB

[QUOTE=Zia UllahPG;913521]Same happened to my brother..you are not a single one..when it comes to fair selection, FPSC is thousand times better than ISSB[/QUOTE]

fpsc is the most slow department of Pakistan, FPSC is under control of Judiciary, and judiciary is the most corrupt department of Pakistan,

[QUOTE=sincer khan;913527]fpsc is the most slow department of Pakistan, FPSC is under control of Judiciary, and judiciary is the most corrupt department of Pakistan,[/QUOTE]
FPSC slowest yet the most fair one..army do everything for the sake of business, even they go for war for the sake of Money. Sorry if Reality hurts you

Bhaio aur Behno.. This is Pakistan, not Europe or America where things are generally fair in such things like recruitment etc.

After college, I spent a whole year to get myself fit for army because I was overweight, went to the gym, did horse riding for my knee knock, swimming etc. Then the doctor told me that I need to do a chest operation, I did that in CMH, was laying besides wounded soldiers in CMH Peshawar. Stood up later that day and went with a nurse to the doctor who was a lt.col, he objected and scolded the nurse for taking me to him because I could barely walk with tubes hanging from my chest. After a month or so, I passed the preliminary physical tests including running, reached ISSB, GTO didn't seem to like me much, I got not recommended. Applied again in 124, passed running etc with a better position, reached ISSB, GTO seemed to like me a lot, got not recommended. Then I wrote a letter to Gen Kiyani, they replied that nothing can be done and that I should complete my studies and try for other courses.

But looking back, I am glad they didn't take me but I do regret not trying for PAF instead as I really wanted to become a fighter pilot.. Don't ask me the reasons but I think most of us know the ground reality. I have similar feelings for CSS too, it is not the same CSS that my elders served in. Nowadays the focus is to go abroad or start your own business.

You are right Kingfalcon. Just hardwork, , passion, struggle, Dedication and Courage Depend for Success, and those people who always search a shortcut way for Success then i believe they will be failed in their mission, Always be positive, don't blame anyone, everything is not fair and good in pakistan, but we must continue our struggle for the success,
aur zindagi serf apne lye Jeeny ka Naam nahi, dosro k lye bhi sochna chahye,

One time I was among those, who believe that, if somebody want to become a commissioned officer in Army, he/she should have strong reference. One of my friend in college, who belong to a very backward area and he is only person from his village who first time entered into the Intermediate education. He has a passion and dream to become a commissioned officer and we all laughed at him. His father was a taxi driver, who hardly earn 500-600 daily. After completing his FSC he try his best and Passed ISSB and medical but not selected and his name was in the waiting List. But he didn't upset rom his failure and started his planning for next and then finally he got selected for Army. My opinion is sometime we believe that we possessed all the traits that they want, but we are lack of those. Believe me, Allah made better plan for us always.

Selection in army is 99% on merit.Im saying 99 percent because no where in the world selection is on 100 percent merit.There is always a tiny bit of role played by reference etc,even in foreign countries.Personal experience.

[QUOTE=wellington;913685]Selection in army is 99% on merit.Im saying 99 percent because no where in the world selection is on 100 percent merit.There is always a tiny bit of role played by reference etc,even in foreign countries.Personal experience.[/QUOTE]

Yes strongly agree with You. As organization are run by humans and humans can't be error free.