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As Sir Hammad is a committed person, he might have come a little late at times, but he always makes for that by giving extra time. At the end of the day, what matters most is the result.....and that only Officers Academy genuinly owns.
I am quite surprised that why Sir Hammad is the only focus of this discussion. Either his influence is too strong that you can't get him off your mind or you are too insecure of his achievements. And none can hinder the fame and respect if ALLAH wills to bestow upon someone.
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Ok so i'm back. Wow i'm surprised this thread got so many views.
Let's get started shall we?

Firstly winterlark thanks for taking the time to read the article (even if it was a complete waste of your time)

You say you've studied in the finest institutions of Pakistan, i highly doubt that. Someone who ranks Officers Academy as one of the 'finest' institutions Pakistan has no idea about quality education. No offense meant.

As for the 80,000 per four months, don't brag. What you failed to grasp is this particular bit of my article.

"While a person with a financially stable background may be able to afford it, a person who has moved to the city from a distant village and belongs to a low/middle class family (majority of CSS aspirants) may find it hard to afford such 'lucrative' notes but apparently Officers Academy (which henceforth will be called OA) fail to recognize it."

I mean what is so hard to understand about this part of my article? While you and I might be able to afford it, less fortunate students cannot. Isn't that called putting a price on education? Isn't this capitalism? Isn't your honorable SP Hammad Haider profiting from this business? You're a student of Officers Academy, tell me isn't it possible for SP Hammad to lessen the tuition fee so more people can afford the luxuries OA has to offer?

And as for the insinuations about the accusations against "your" honorable teacher, i've mentioned again and again that these are my views and opinions. Every other individual can differ. By the way, have you noticed that all these posts by other members and CSPs seem to agree with me. I didn't force anyone or offer incentives to anyone to agree with me.

As for the facts i've mentioned in my article, well....you yourself are enrolled at Officers Academy. Hold me accountable if one of the facts i've stated is false. If you're a newcomer to Officers Academy (which i highly doubt) you'll come to realize these realities of life soon enough.

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Binyamin you're absolutely right in claiming that this would be a "tactic to defame this academy on commercial grounds" however, what you failed to notice is that i am not advertising any other academy. .

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Try attending KIPS or Toppers seminars. I've heard from my peers that they are very good.

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Now i don't know what other academies are like since i was caught up in this word to mouth marketing hoax and ended up paying for the entire session at once and therefore could not exit when i wanted. Alas! The pain!

If i wanted to advertise any academy, i would've done it a bit more openly. I think it is my duty to inform the general public about their options and not just restrict them to this word-to-mouth hoax.

If you think i'm trying to defame the academy, well you'll find that you've never been more wrong in your life (except while writing obscene comments on this thread)
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As Sir Hammad is a committed person, he might have come a little late at times, but he always makes for that by giving extra time. At the end of the day, what matters most is the result.....and that only Officers Academy genuinly owns.
I am quite surprised that why Sir Hammad is the only focus of this discussion. Either his influence is too strong that you can't get him off your mind or you are too insecure of his achievements. And none can hinder the fame and respect if ALLAH wills to bestow upon someone.
Might have come a little late at times? Are you sure you're talking about the same Hammad Haider as we are? I think you've got him mixed up with someone else.
And by the way, you say you're currently enrolled at Officers Academy? If you're in one of the new sections (which i again highly doubt), how would you presume to know so much about Hammad Haider?

Well i think it is obvious that the truth in my article didn't settle well with winterlark's stomach. And since i can see winterlark's joining date here on cssforums as Feb 2011, i know for sure that its someone who is probably a teacher's pet or arguably Hammad Haider's comeback though one of his students.
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I mentioned earlier that i sent an email to SP Hammad after i read this article and 2 days ago i got this reply from SP Hammad's brother Waqar.

AOA,
Thanks for the query; I am Waqar and am looking after the general
administration and admissions in the academy. This is sort of an
official email address for the academy correspondence so i am trying
to reply your concerns on Hammads Sb behalf.

All i can say is that the contents of the article for which you sent
the link and lots of other comments are all rubbish and seems to be
some defamatory campaign, not against the academy, but specifically
Hammad Sb in person.

So far as i know, academic session of this student at our academy had
finished and was attending classes with new session without any
approval of intimation. One day the staff at the reception stopped him
from attaending class with the new session and brought the matter to
Hammad’s notice. Hammad also told him that he should have sought prior
permission if he intended to attend some additional classes. He took
this as an insult and vented out his venom, as depicted in his
sarcastical description about the academy.

Even thinking logically, some of the objection raised are absolutely
absurd and truly depict the point i have made above like for e.g

70% of the things are taught by Hammad....come on , what wrong if
Hammad sb is teaching the subjects which he opted in CSS. He has
command over all those subject and has prepared the best available
material on them. So far students gets the best of lecture and best
material on any subject , why should they be bothered who is teaching.
This objection would have been valid in case Hammad Sb would not have
teaching his subjects satisfactorily. Other than Hammad sb there is
list of around ten faculty members which are giving guidance on other
subjects.

Then at the same time he is admitting that …”he(hammad) is a very
intellectual guy and teaches very well”. I think this should only be
the matter of concern for a real student.

We don’t have any tradition of arranging farewell party at the end of
session. A group of students invited Hammad sb to accompany them to a
lunch and there told him that everybody is paying for his own, which
was sort of embarrassing for a principal. ….and like wise all other
crap written is all nonsense and carries a vindictive tinge.

Still I would like you to see Hammad Sb in person and clarify any
confusion you still have in your mind. There is nothing to hesitate
and its your right as well.

Thanks and Good luck.

Waqar Haider
Admn Officers Academy.


I honestly don't believe a word he's saying. Plus i am friends with one of the girls who went for the farewell luncheon. She mimicked what ThePhoenix said in his article and i am pretty darn sure that Mr. Waqar is trying to defame ThePhoenix by spewing a crappy story about how he was denied when he asked to attend extra classes. Ask yourself, if SP Hammad Haider was so saintly, shouldn't he have allowed him to attend those extra classes? Mr. Waqar is trying his best for me to buy this whole "ThePhoenix is absurdly wrong and we are saintly heavenly beings" philosophy.

As for pasting the entire email here, i feel no shame is bringing forth the kind of scum which run that academy.
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lmao. I can't stop laughing.
Seriously this is what he wrote? I'm surprised he didn't say i used to study free of charge in the academy. hahaha.
You know what? Now that i think about it, winterlark might be Mr. Waqar Haider in disguise or it still might just be a student.

A very smart tactic. I bow to you !
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I am astonished how come he has recognized ThePhoenix by just reading his article that he is the same guy who did blah blah. Ur story is baseless Mr. Waqar. Any sensible person is not gonna believe you. Thumbs up buddy Phoenix. Keep up the good work.

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I have answered all solid points if you can read well.
Where? In your dreams?

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And i can answer you quite badly but what difference would there be between good and bad..... May ALLAH guide you because it is He who gives respect and not mere people like you....
Why don't you?

P.S Atleast learn to properly communicate and debate next time you are out to defend yourself or anyone else. Cliched and redundant statement like above won't take you anywhere in life except for being labelled as a loser and a retard

P.S.S Next time do ask all the Elite educational institutions and Officers Academy to at least teach you how to present your views in a coherent and presentable manner. Your 6 posts speaks volume of the ability of Officers Academy and the very 'elite educational institutions' you went to
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I think u guyz have drifted away from the topic and made it a personal issue ... anyways i did attend officers academy for two months as well .. n i realized it wasnt worth it in the first month ..

The reason why i joined was that i could get to know ppl who were studying for css and get their inputs and to get into some sort of routine ...

But clearly the academy is over rated ..n the reason why they are so famous could be the lack of competition and very good advertisement..

As far as Sir Hammad is concerned .. it is not possible for anyone to have command over the number of subjects that he is teaching .. Geography, Current Affairs, Sociology, International Law, British History ...these are the ones that i knw for sure ..there might b more ...if he had time he would teach the rest of the subjects too ..

Even i could teach to the class after reading from the book and then reproducing it in front of the class ..most of whom are actually scared of asking questions ...and if anyone does ask a question there is always a convenient answer ..'It's in the notes' ... if that is the case then y not just get the notes and leave ... His lack of command over the subjects is evident from the fact that he never takes any questions during the lectures ..
Plus u only have one class per week for each subject ..so it is too slow for my liking ..add to it the number of unannouned holidays that the teachers take ..

Having said all this, I think it is always good to join the academy for a month or so ...just for the sake of satisfaction..
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I think u guyz have drifted away from the topic and made it a personal issue ... anyways i did attend officers academy for two months as well .. n i realized it wasnt worth it in the first month ..

The reason why i joined was that i could get to know ppl who were studying for css and get their inputs and to get into some sort of routine ...

But clearly the academy is over rated ..n the reason why they are so famous could be the lack of competition and very good advertisement..

As far as Sir Hammad is concerned .. it is not possible for anyone to have command over the number of subjects that he is teaching .. Geography, Current Affairs, Sociology, International Law, British History ...these are the ones that i knw for sure ..there might b more ...if he had time he would teach the rest of the subjects too ..

Even i could teach to the class after reading from the book and then reproducing it in front of the class ..most of whom are actually scared of asking questions ...and if anyone does ask a question there is always a convenient answer ..'It's in the notes' ... if that is the case then y not just get the notes and leave ... His lack of command over the subjects is evident from the fact that he never takes any questions during the lectures ..
Plus u only have one class per week for each subject ..so it is too slow for my liking ..add to it the number of unannouned holidays that the teachers take ..

Having said all this, I think it is always good to join the academy for a month or so ...just for the sake of satisfaction..
thats totally right.i too have same experience in officers acadmy,css is an individual effort just be research oriented and should have practiced as good writer in english
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