@ last island
i know the difference between language and literature but you have to agree that a person whose english language is good is able to do well in english literature as well. and why the previous part of my thread was ignored i cannot comprehend.you should comment on that as well.i dont mena to create a verbal war, i'm just trying to understand what went wrong.

The main culprit is the Essay and Precis paper behind the failure of aspirants, though the real cause which is responsible for this scenarion is that the ppl who are really able and intelligent are not interested in CSS, because they can better cash their abilities in the private sector and the same reason is also held responsible in the Annual report of FPSC. The report entails that they (intelligent ones) find no attraction in the Civil servies bcoz they are compensated well above the standards of the CSPs and also they find the civil services as a path to corruption and dishonesty and submission to vested interests. So they prefer to be in the private sector.

God Bless Pakistan!!!!!!!!!!!

its wrong to say that intelligent ones never go for CSS and some less competant people go for it .... for those people let me tell u that css is much more tougher today than it was 15 or 20 years ago .... in the past people doing BSC with double maths and stats were able to top css but today no one can opt for both mathematics , people were able to opt indian and islamic histories at the same time but things r different now ....... journalism has always been a scoring subject which was a 200 marks subject .... according to me this is a hunt for the most intelligent people out there and only those succeed who r intelligent and competant enuf .... y don't u go through the past 30 year papers of css u will feel the difference yourself .... and u will come to know that people of better educational backgrounds r attempting css today but its way tougher today than earlier

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Everyone has his own perceptions. But the perception which is based on concrete facts and extensive information is the one that counts. Ppl may disagree but the hard facts remain there. Ppl's perceptions are based on a little information. They only have limited sources to form their opinions. Today we see only five or four percent candidates pass the CE, and if they are the real cream of whole of Pakistan then y Pakistan couldnt prosper with the help of these scholars over the years. The answer lies in my previous post. Also the other argument of mine regarding that whether intelligent ones appaer in the CE or not, is ratified by the FPSC's report.

You seem to rate civil services aspirants as being struggling to be in the circle of meritorious mediocrity. If we take the argument that CSS is meant for mediocre students then perhaps we would be leveling all social sciences mediocre and that would be unfair to these very important subjects that are cardinal to the development of any society/nation/country/state. Yes we do have science subjects in CSS but few students opt them, even those who have science background avoid to opt them because of their lengthy course and these subjects are more fact-oriented with a lot of memorizing involved. Secondly though i won't say that every CSS aspirant makes a successful attempt in analyzing various issues, yet it is an implied requirement. Lady luck sometimes blesses few souls with success even without fulfilling that pre-req. Thirdly, not everyone possesses eloquent writing skills. That is the reason we don't like to read all writers in a particular newspaper. Sometimes it is because of superficial level of knowledge and sometimes we don't like their expression. But do we berate their profession…. Mind you many bureaucrats do write in newspapers like Hafiz-ur-Rehman, Irfan Hussain, Kanwar Idris etc. And last but not the least, if only mediocre students try to attempt CSS then what in the world doctors and engineers are doing here among those 194 students. It depends more on the personality and aptitude than merely on intelligence. And yes just do not forget the cognitive skills. You simply cannot compare professions. Sometimes even private sector does not get the kind of boom it is known for. It is more important to excel in one’s profession than comparing its worth with other careers.

I m not into comparison or something like meticulous analysis of causes of failure in CSS but I have just described the notion which is based on reality, and I also know that some ppl may find some facts hard to swallow but I m not saying that they should agree with me. I respect others' views but I have my own. Thats ALL!!!!!!!!! :-)

Reality? What's that? It is a state of being real where things presented are authentic and fixed/concrete. U have told us about FPSC report. I'm giving you examples of living people. Report vs. attributes personified in newspapers. What can be more authentic? A piece of paper or a real very living person. Facts can be swallowed no matter how hard they are, provided they're not skewed or throw light on a specific category.

Actually its not just about FPSC report, if u give me examples of real ppl, I can also do so and which will be of highest authenticity and beyond any doubt whatsoever.

mr aqib i gave an answer to your post which was deleted yet it didn,t contain anything outregious , only facts born out by not you and me but the people out there.my only advise to you is if you are there to clear CSS , let yourself first have done with it and then if you get selected in top groups then give resign and join any private job commensurate with your proffesional degree.you can really vindicate your position in this way and you will really get an awsome true answer yourself. Talk for the talk sake yield up no valid vantagepoint and i believe you would be second to none either in conquering the citadel of CSS or blazing your footsteps across corporate sector, so dear brother why we make so much controvercy of a non-starter ??

Dear aqib (and those who agree with him).. If we have dirty stuff lying over in our country, we must not wait for angels or some foreign consultants to come and clean it. Those who reject CSS as a profession just because of the perception that civil service is full of corruption and dishonesty, i feel sorry for them. which segment of our society is not corrupt? each and every segment of our society is corrupt and dishonest in the way civil servants are (allegedly dishonest). Moreover, Being a "not so Junior" civil servant, I would like to tell you that the most difficult profession in Pakistan is Civil Service. And that is what makes it the most prestigious one as well. In some other threads I have very clearly mentioned how and why people fail in the Englishy Essay or Preci paper. I know many people who were good at both these subjects but could not qualify and yet they admit that the fault lies with them. It is only the loosers who blame everybody, but themselves. As an elder brother and as a Civil Servant, my advice to all those who failed in English Paper, is to read and observe the structure of English Language and enhance their writing skills. I pray that you be successful and then get to know how hard it is to be a Civil Servant


And believe me, at this critical juncture, when our country is going through some testing times, the only segment which is working selflessly for this country is Civil Service of Pakistan. I am poted in and organization where we have to deal with corporate sector only. And hand on my heart, the role which the corporate sector is playing, is shameful. With pride i say that i am one of those whoare custodians of the constitution and who have always been loyal to the state. Every day i see people trying to drain blood out the veins of this country and all of them are from corporate sector. Please dont mind my harsh words but i am loyal to my profession and can not bear if some looser tries to target it. A completely agree with sir abidusman and would advise MR. Aqib to try and pass the exam and get allocated. One very fine example for you is the chief executive a government authority. He is not a civil servant, has been a CEO of a multinational. He says that he had passed the CSS exam and did not join. But then, some of those who knew him from college revealed that he failed the English paper. Now, this guy has many a times proposed to dissolve one of the occupational groups of CSS. He says that he does not need Officer. On the other hand, he claims that the organization has performed wonderfuly in the last eight years (offcourse it was the officers who performed). So my dear, please do not be "that" guy. Be reasonabale and try to understand the place and importance of Civil Service