Is it possible for one to change his/her group later on in ones career

@redhawk
sorry forgot to include the quotes last time around. Could you please shed some light on this.

just ignore the prev posts. I thought that the post regarding changing groups was a serious one, just realized that it wasnt. And I apologize for referring to the wrong post again :p am a new user so finding it hard to adapt to the site

AoA.

My dear this is just a misconception. almost 90% of bureaucracy comprises of middle class and in some cases lower middle class. And they all reach grade 20-21 atleast and in many cases grade 22 as well.
i am from Punjab and there are only a handful bureaucrats in Punjab who are posted on key posted ( DPO'S RPO'S COMMISSIONER'S ETC ) who come from influential families, and the reason they are there is not because they come from influential families but because of their work, reputation and integrity.

so clear your minds and go for DMG or PSP

Best Wishes

Regards

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Sir Nadem

If a judge is appointed on political grounds, how can he will provide justice to people. Can he do his decisioin impartially? Judiciary is very sensitive pillar of state. Politics will take his illegal works from judiciary when his own person appointed as judge of highcourt/supreme court. This is the big flaw in our system.......
I think Judiciary as well as Executive should b separate from political influence.


plz Sir Nadem elaborate my point of view.

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sir please tell me is there any comparison between the post of ASP with
Assistant Director IB
Assistant Director ISI
Assistant Director FIA

please discuss future prospects in these posts of ADs mentioned above???

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No I dun think there is any comparison...Infact in 37th CTP we had wo officers who were working as AD (ISI) one is allocated in OMG and the other in MLCG..which means they preferred these groups over ISI...n ASP designation is much higher than these two above mentioned occupational groups...so am sure ASP is a much better option....bt after CSS yes that could a good option...good luck

In my thinking one cannot compare different services on some equal ground, every service is having its own pros and cons, similar is the case with AD IB, AD ISI and AD FIA. Some people rate these services much better thn many css occupational groups, but there is one main issue, css occupational groups are cadre services, while these are ex-cadre services, yet are specialized services and their members fall under the core of civil servant of federation ... there is no social life in such agencies... one use to get an impression to see every thing with suspicion .. they sacrifice many things for the sake of national interest and betterment of people of their country...

In FIA, an AD is having good powers having thanas under him like police officers and can do lot of things, but simultaneously FIA is a very mismanaged and corrupt institution....

As far as IB and ISI are concerned, both are well managed /disciplined and enjoy good nuisance value and are having good level of powers (extra judicial/not written), but the issue with every agency of the world is ample level of suffocation /remaining as dark horse/behind the curtain/very less social life and at times a tug of war situation with other agency of their own country Its same for CIA and FBI in USA, Indian RAW and Indian IB, MI 6 and MI 5 in UK (though in UK the level of inter agency animosity is comparatively less but its there) and in Pakistan often we see in news the same thing.... we hear that the people of agencies are officially allowed to do many wrong things... etc mean they are authorized to do wrongs/illegal things....

many people who compare these intelligence agencies with css occupational groups often rate them very high in comparison to csp's except for dmg and psp and some rate foreign service (due to foreign exposure and legalized handsome salary) and customs..... yet most of them leave these agencies because they get tired of having no social and tensed life , round the clock work....

In 37th Common one AD ISI joined OMG while other one joined IRS not MLCG.

In 38th common heard that three AD ISI's joined CSS and similarly three AD IB's joined css.... Dont remember for their groups but the topper in 38th Common Muhammad Bin Ashraf was previously an AD IB. Heard that in 31st common one AD IB joined PSP and perhaps in 36th common one AD IB joined DMG.

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thanks a lot lot sir for explaining in detail??? please share the future prospects for the job of AD IB?????? (future promotions and perks & privileges)

sir please explain the difference between cadre services and ex-cadre services???

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Bhai what i could get of cadre services, it means proper approved career system through ages and inducted through css process.

As regards AD IB, I dont know much but what i have heard, its an issue of every intelligence agency that lot of staff/personnel is held at lower levels and upper hierarchy comprises less officers, similar is the issue with IB. So one cannot expect one to have 22 grade, while there could be chances of promotion upto B-20/21. That department started taking officers through FPSC as of 2001 and from thn all AD's were promoted to 18 after 5 years of their service i.e. the minimum timeframe for promotion from 17 to 18. Hope remaining can also be having some position and its first inducted group is waiting for promotion to B-19 as and when they complete 12 years of service in 2013, bcoz there are seats available for their promotion...

perks and privileges! ... Hmmm have heard that its a good administered and managed department and its officers enjoy quite officership, they get lot of respect and honour through their peers and juniors ....

20% Special Allowance is added up with pay, a newly recruited AD will get pay of around 30000, some hard stations get some extra allowances...... good nuisance value, in main stations pick and drop facility for all officers and all 19 above self driven vehicle. Some of 17 and 18 officers having good posts also get vehicle in main stations, while in field positions often there is no issue of vehicle as being incharge of that region they get hold of all resources including vehicles and some special fund... home bcome issue in major cities but even thn they use to hold some official homes on their pool and in islamabad they are having BoQ sort of residences for single officers, at some places an AD can get house of 2 3 kanals easily... residential telephone, mobile sim and etc are some extra things..... foreign courses also given to officers..... they are not supposed to follow the provincial government or district administration and enjoy considerable level of autonomy with some level of accountability by department itself... i have heard that some of the posts/people at fields get lot of chances to make illegal money and many of them make as well yet its not a filthy or corrupt institution, overall its very better and devoid of much filth... also have heard that there is some operational side as well, though functioning at low level yet they get hold /detain people as well... since its not law enforcement agency and not officialy allowed to keep people, so usually hand over people to police for presenting chalan etc...

because of good promotion, prick and privileges and nuisance value, foreign courses/trainings, foreign postings and many un-written powers, its good service but simultaneously suffocation/closed environment/remaining behind the picture etc are some issues that people dont like agency services ... at rare chances it can be termed a dirty business bcoz one may be required to do lot of wrong things (sins and crimes) including usage of intoxicants/alcohol or usage of other gender for some purposes....

Have also heard from some insider that the current government made some issues by cutting lot of funds , putting ban on purchase of new vehicles and computers/equipment etc and also reinstating around 1200 people in IB, 60 of them are at AD level. Such personnel were accommodated without any extra fund given to department, you can understand the situation that if 100 people were using some thing and now they have to share with 50 more tu scarcity is a natural factor...

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