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Intifada Tuesday, November 27, 2012 04:48 PM

a basic query..
 
i wnat to ask that who make the foreign policy?? kindly let me know that seniors. regards!!!

talalz3 Tuesday, November 27, 2012 06:54 PM

[QUOTE=leonidis;518175]i wnat to ask that who make the foreign policy?? kindly let me know that seniors. regards!!![/QUOTE]

The establishment of course.

Intifada Tuesday, November 27, 2012 07:48 PM

[QUOTE=talalz3;518273]The establishment of course.[/QUOTE] thank u but kindly tell me then what doeas the bureaucrat do??

talalz3 Wednesday, November 28, 2012 04:02 PM

It depends on his posting and grade. Which position are you talking about exactly? A third Secretary or what?

Intifada Wednesday, November 28, 2012 07:00 PM

[QUOTE=talalz3;518767]It depends on his posting and grade. Which position are you talking about exactly? A third Secretary or what?[/QUOTE] actually i dont know even that,, who are the bureaucrat and secretries and all now if u have streched the topic then kindly make me understand the whole up to down grades and positions as well .. i hope u will be pleased to help me. thank u sir!!

talalz3 Wednesday, November 28, 2012 07:44 PM

[QUOTE=leonidis;518884]actually i dont know even that,, who are the bureaucrat and secretries and all now if u have streched the topic then kindly make me understand the whole up to down grades and positions as well .. i hope u will be pleased to help me. thank u sir!![/QUOTE]

I'll be happy to help. I will try to clear your confusion but if you have any further queries you can ask me again :).[LIST][*]A bureaucrat is a person who works in the Civil Service. Entry into the civil service requires one to clear CSS or PCS. After clearing CSS, the person is assigned a position in grade 17. I am telling all this assuming you knew nothing about bureaucracy before. [*]In FSP (i.e the Foreign Service of Pakistan) a grade 17 servant is assigned a desk job at the Foreign Office in Islamabad. So the type of job a person is assigned is different in Pakistan to what he is assigned when he/she is posted abroad. While abroad, the person is assigned various tasks of diverse nature related to his/her position. [*]The Foreign Policy is made by the Foreign Minister who works with the Foreign Secretary (a grade 21 bureaucrat). Unfortunately, in our country, foreign policy is influenced heavily by the military establishment. Even in cases when the Foreign Minister is quite independent, decisions made are politically motivated.[/LIST]In short, the foreign policy is made at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and is enforced by the diplomats posted abroad.

Intifada Thursday, November 29, 2012 05:40 PM

[QUOTE=talalz3;518908]I'll be happy to help. I will try to clear your confusion but if you have any further queries you can ask me again :).[LIST][*]A bureaucrat is a person who works in the Civil Service. Entry into the civil service requires one to clear CSS or PCS. After clearing CSS, the person is assigned a position in grade 17. I am telling all this assuming you knew nothing about bureaucracy before.[*]In FSP (i.e the Foreign Service of Pakistan) a grade 17 servant is assigned a desk job at the Foreign Office in Islamabad. So the type of job a person is assigned is different in Pakistan to what he is assigned when he/she is posted abroad. While abroad, the person is assigned various tasks of diverse nature related to his/her position.[*]The Foreign Policy is made by the Foreign Minister who works with the Foreign Secretary (a grade 21 bureaucrat). Unfortunately, in our country, foreign policy is influenced heavily by the military establishment. Even in cases when the Foreign Minister is quite independent, decisions made are politically motivated.[/LIST]In short, the foreign policy is made at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and is enforced by the diplomats posted abroad.[/QUOTE]

hmm kafi had tak clear hogaya.. thak u brother but mujhey ye nhe samajh aya kia bureacrats fsp servants ko khtye hen ..?? :O n civil services mey kaun kaun sey aur departments ajatey hen ? i hope i wont make u laugh as u have already presumed me totally unawared about all these pecheda baten :) jazaka`ALLAH.

and 1 more thing brother ye 39th common etc se kia murad he?? a friend of mine told me k ye unki position hoti he exam me pass honey ki. and what does mean by CADRE too .. jazaka`ALLAH . i wish u dont get bothered from my basic queries .... :)

talalz3 Thursday, November 29, 2012 08:51 PM

[QUOTE=leonidis;519325]hmm kafi had tak clear hogaya.. thak u brother but mujhey ye nhe samajh aya kia bureacrats fsp servants ko khtye hen ..?? :O n civil services mey kaun kaun sey aur departments ajatey hen ? i hope i wont make u laugh as u have already presumed me totally unawared about all these pecheda baten :) jazaka`ALLAH.

and 1 more thing brother ye 39th common etc se kia murad he?? a friend of mine told me k ye unki position hoti he exam me pass honey ki. and what does mean by CADRE too .. jazaka`ALLAH . i wish u dont get bothered from my basic queries .... :)[/QUOTE]

CTP stands for Common Training Programme. The number (e.g 39) represents the batch number. Not the position.
And no, all civil servants are bureaucrats whatever their group may be.

rabelmustafa Tuesday, December 18, 2012 03:57 PM

The government makes the foreign policy. The people we have elected formulate it, The foreign office implements it.

shahzad jutoi Tuesday, December 18, 2012 04:27 PM

Foreign policy making is actually the task of governments that is the executive branch, Diplomats abroad have several functions; collect information and data, give advice to the authorities in Policy making processes, contribute to foreign policy decisions and protection of basic rights of the diaspora abroad.However, a diplomat's contribution to policy decisions depend upon his/her skills and analytic capacity.


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