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Dear CSPs and Seniors,

Please shed light on this keeping in view following criteria:

Working conditions:

Salary:

Perks and Privileges:

Promotions:

Trainings - within country and abroad:

Respect and Prestige in Society:

How better IRS is (than other groups):
What are the negative points?


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Dear CSPs and Seniors,

Please shed light on this keeping in view following criteria:

Working conditions:

Salary:

Perks and Privileges:

Promotions:

Trainings - within country and abroad:

Respect and Prestige in Society:

How better IRS is (than other groups):
What are the negative points?


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i think you can find a lot of material about this group in its subforum. however, here is my personal opinion about the group considering your questions.

working conditions are neat and clean. most of the officers of this group work in Regional Tax offices of big cities, however, the group has set ups in most of the districts too. offices are well maintained but they are usually small for grade 17 officers.

promotions are no issue in this group. officers can be promoted as quickly as any other group. most of the officers usually reach in grade 21. there are certain seats in grade 22 too. it all depends upon your efficiency that till which grade you manage to reach.

i believe this is the group which offers more scholarships than any other group both indigenous as well as overseas. i would say whenever and wherever you want to go for any kind of degree you will be given an scholarship by your group.

designations in IRS are same as in DMG. that is officer will call himself Assistant commissioner, deputy commissioner and commissioner similar to the designation in DMG. considering this fact, you do not need to explain to any tom, dick and harry that who you are and what is your position. as people are already well-versed about this nomenclature. moreover, your prestige level will be higher among the elite and industrialist class than common people. as your clients are industrialists not common people.

every group is better in CSS. there are certain merits and demerits of every group. its very much certain that IRS is among the five top most groups of CSS, rivaling even the Customs.

yeah there are certain demerits too.

in big cities grade 17 officers usually do not get a car and house. in 18 everyone does. its a technical job, therefore, those who dont work hard during the initial time of their service would turn up as liability for their group. thus it becomes a nightmare for them. it is said that the officer of IRS is like a banker, so true charm of a CSP may not be felt in grade 17.

conclusion:

i would say, future of this group is tremendously bright. brighter than any other group. so always feel proud to join this group as a professional.
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i think you can find a lot of material about this group in its subforum. however, here is my personal opinion about the group considering your questions.

working conditions are neat and clean. most of the officers of this group work in Regional Tax offices of big cities, however, the group has set ups in most of the districts too. offices are well maintained but they are usually small for grade 17 officers.

promotions are no issue in this group. officers can be promoted as quickly as any other group. most of the officers usually reach in grade 21. there are certain seats in grade 22 too. it all depends upon your efficiency that till which grade you manage to reach.

i believe this is the group which offers more scholarships than any other group both indigenous as well as overseas. i would say whenever and wherever you want to go for any kind of degree you will be given an scholarship by your group.

designations in IRS are same as in DMG. that is officer will call himself Assistant commissioner, deputy commissioner and commissioner similar to the designation in DMG. considering this fact, you do not need to explain to any tom, dick and harry that who you are and what is your position. as people are already well-versed about this nomenclature. moreover, your prestige level will be higher among the elite and industrialist class than common people. as your clients are industrialists not common people.

every group is better in CSS. there are certain merits and demerits of every group. its very much certain that IRS is among the five top most groups of CSS, rivaling even the Customs.

yeah there are certain demerits too.

in big cities grade 17 officers usually do not get a car and house. in 18 everyone does. its a technical job, therefore, those who dont work hard during the initial time of their service would turn up as liability for their group. thus it becomes a nightmare for them. it is said that the officer of IRS is like a banker, so true charm of a CSP may not be felt in grade 17.

conclusion:

i would say, future of this group is tremendously bright. brighter than any other group. so always feel proud to join this group as a professional.
You said the future of this group is brighter than any other group? Can we compare this with DMG? Should a person getting IRS reappear for DMG or try to concentrate on his career within this group?

Secondly, I was told by someone that IRS does not have any post in grade 22. But you said it has some. How much percentage it has in grade 22? and can an IRS officer become chief secretary or federal secretary?


Could you please elaborate how this system works? Are people promoted within their own group or have transfers as well like secretaries and DGs?

Thank you very much for your response. I have been waiting for this since times immemorial (Result and final allocations k bech ka time )
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You said the future of this group is brighter than any other group? Can we compare this with DMG? Should a person getting IRS reappear for DMG or try to concentrate on his career within this group?

Secondly, I was told by someone that IRS does not have any post in grade 22. But you said it has some. How much percentage it has in grade 22? and can an IRS officer become chief secretary or federal secretary?


Could you please elaborate how this system works? Are people promoted within their own group or have transfers as well like secretaries and DGs?

Thank you very much for your response. I have been waiting for this since times immemorial (Result and final allocations k bech ka time )
Dear DMG and Police are ever green groups. one must appear for these groups. they have no rivals let alone IRS, no matter how brighter its future may be.

IRS certainly has posts in grade 22. you may confirm from any one.

chief secretary or federal secretary can be from any group. they are not prerogative of DMG, OMG or police only. it all depends upon your political affiliation.

people are usually promoted within their own groups unless they have gone on deputation and got permanent over there.

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Sir,
I have been told that IRS will be more effective than customs in the future. How far is it true? This year many of the candidates have preferred IRS over customs, one of my friend got 45th position this year and he has been told through inside sources that he has got IRS. Now imagine the importance of IRS which has started from 45th position.I have got 49th position and my 3rd preference is customs after police and DMG.Do you think i have made a mistake by preferring customs as there is now little chance for PCS officers to get to 22 grade.What's your take on that?
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I have been told that IRS will be more effective than customs in the future. How far is it true? This year many of the candidates have preferred IRS over customs, one of my friend got 45th position this year and he has been told through inside sources that he has got IRS. Now imagine the importance of IRS which has started from 45th position.I have got 49th position and my 3rd preference is customs after police and DMG.Do you think i have made a mistake by preferring customs as there is now little chance for PCS officers to get to 22 grade.What's your take on that?
although i have placed IRS over customs , but now i have to come to know that in terms of facilities and power , customs is way better than IRS. so you made the right choice brother.
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I have been told that IRS will be more effective than customs in the future. How far is it true? This year many of the candidates have preferred IRS over customs, one of my friend got 45th position this year and he has been told through inside sources that he has got IRS. Now imagine the importance of IRS which has started from 45th position.I have got 49th position and my 3rd preference is customs after police and DMG.Do you think i have made a mistake by preferring customs as there is now little chance for PCS officers to get to 22 grade.What's your take on that?
Dear Customs had been allocated to those who wrote it on 2nd or 3rd number in their preference list till last allocation of 2010 and nobody preferred IRS over Customs till last allocations. Let me tell you one thing that those who preferred IRS over Customs will surely repent on their decision soon after joining CSA..
Only problem is promotion these days and that problem is for both IRS n Customs. For IRS, new seats have been created and for Customs, only a few are being inducted these days. So this problem will be solved in future..
So relax dear, you will be lucky one to be a part of smart cadre,Customs because you ,ll be 5 in 40th CTP(we are 3 in 39th) and you can imagine the luxury of getting postings/transfer of your choice.
Last but not the least is that CULTURE OF AFSARI (servants,guards, big vehicles,salutes from subordinates,accommodation etc.) is hallmark of this Royal service...and in IRS typical Corporate set up is seen and NO AFSARI is there( with no offence to IRS fellows).
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I have been told that IRS will be more effective than customs in the future. How far is it true? This year many of the candidates have preferred IRS over customs, one of my friend got 45th position this year and he has been told through inside sources that he has got IRS. Now imagine the importance of IRS which has started from 45th position.I have got 49th position and my 3rd preference is customs after police and DMG.Do you think i have made a mistake by preferring customs as there is now little chance for PCS officers to get to 22 grade.What's your take on that?
dear you have made right choice as stated by dr adnan. hopefully you will never repent with your this decision that you have put it above IRS.


this is because every common man knows what is customs but only few know about IRS. so you will be proud while telling people that in which service you are.

so cheers and have in Royal service with traditional touch.
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After the creation of IRS, 47 customs officers of grade 19 and 20 opted for IRS and left customs. I am astonished, If customs was such a "Royal" service, why such senior bureaucrats left?
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After the creation of IRS, 47 customs officers of grade 19 and 20 opted for IRS and left customs. I am astonished, If customs was such a "Royal" service, why such senior bureaucrats left?
Dear you are right some officers opted for IRS after its creation and mostly were those who served in sales tax wing and they opted for it. Secondly, they thought that they will enjoy comparatively smooth promotions but actually these people are suffering because they are demanding promotions earlier than their IRS(who are already in IRS) batchfellows who were lower in CSS merit list.Their case is in tribunal and lets c what happens....
Lastly my dear if you are in IRS, by choice or by merit, you are a part of service now and you should consider only positives that are many in every service..

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