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In civil service, seniors of any occupational group, are called Sir, not Dear. Hopefully you'll learn that once you join service. However, for the purpose of this forum, you can address one in whatever way you like.

A grade 17 officer of postal has much broader authority and many more human resources working under him than are working under an OMG officer. He also gets a house in smaller cities while an OMG officer always works in Islamabad and getting an official house without paying a bribe is almost impossible. I am sorry for being so realistic. I do not want to offend you or to disappoint you, but I feel its my duty to give you the right picture of things.

Railways also has huge bungalows and officers mostly get official residence. They also get servants for working in their home etc.

And lastly, I never said CTG is better than OMG. OMG is better than CTG as of now. However, if all CTG officers start getting foreign posting, CTG will become better than OMG.
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nauman bhai , what do you have to say about this post ?
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I am also a 34th commoner, but there is not any Ikram Ullah Khan in our batch. Anyway, now coming to the contents of the post, things are not as bleak as the guy has shown. AOs are still working under direct officers, and it depends on the CSS officer if he is able enough to enforce his seniority over AOs.

Moreover, it has already been decided by SC time and again that CSS officers are senior to AOs. Infact, we, the PAAS officers, have also moved the court to ensure upgradation of PAAS, and subsequently of all CSS occupational groups.

There are 195 grade 19 officers and 150 grade 20 officers of PAAS. Even if 10-15 posts of district audit setup are abolished, promotion prospects will not be affaected significantly.

As regards facilities, I already said in some post that PAAS officers dont get much facilities.

I am not promoting PAAS here. I just saiod PAAS is better than OMG, which I still strongly feel. Never said PAAS is the best.
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Thats the first time I have seen someone saying that OMG is way better than PAAS, IG, CTG, MLCG. RTCG etc.

I think OMG is better than Information, but certainly not better than PAAS. You may think I am saying it because I am in PAAS, and that I am biased, but I am being objective. Even postal group has more authority and facilities than OMG and PAAS. MLCG also is next to DMG when we talk of facilities. In smaller cities, railways officers also have many facillities.

But yes, OMG is better than information group in terms of promotoni prospects. And as far as becoming a federal secretary for an OMG officer is concerned, yes it is technically possible. But just pick up a list of grade 22 officers and see how many of them are from OMG and how many are from DMG. You'll learn reality.

Also, recently the OMG batches have been very large. Promotion will become much slower in the days to come.
Sir what do you think are the drawbacks of information group? how do you see this group
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In civil service, seniors of any occupational group, are called Sir, not Dear. Hopefully you'll learn that once you join service. However, for the purpose of this forum, you can address one in whatever way you like.

A grade 17 officer of postal has much broader authority and many more human resources working under him than are working under an OMG officer. He also gets a house in smaller cities while an OMG officer always works in Islamabad and getting an official house without paying a bribe is almost impossible. I am sorry for being so realistic. I do not want to offend you or to disappoint you, but I feel its my duty to give you the right picture of things.

Railways also has huge bungalows and officers mostly get official residence. They also get servants for working in their home etc.

And lastly, I never said CTG is better than OMG. OMG is better than CTG as of now. However, if all CTG officers start getting foreign posting, CTG will become better than OMG.
Thanks for guidance SIR,

So PG & RTCG is better than OMG in terms of facilities. But there are many things other than facilities. Please comment.
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I am not promoting PAAS here. I just saiod PAAS is better than OMG, which I still strongly feel. Never said PAAS is the best.
Gentlemen ,what i said is my opinoin.
I can say the same "I am not promoting OMG here.I just said OMG is way better than......,which i still strongly feel.Never said OMG is the best.

This is called Cadre affiliation ,everyone feels strongly for their groups.

SOs have separate room,and is connected with their staff's room.Your staff includes Assistant,steno T/G ,LDC/UDC and a Naib Qasid.Yes you have a AC in your room. One can have lot of privileges (you know how things go in Pakistan sadly ,need not to elaborate on that)

(for OMG )Secretariat is a place where you will meet lot of officers Commoners and rankers from all the cadres ,you will not only learn from your interaction with them but also be in a position to witness important policy decision.The diversity of portfolios attached with different desks makes the job interesting.
Every group has positives and negatives,its actually not the cadre but the officers who proves his or her worth with hard work.Good officer in any group will outshine others by sheer hard work and honesty,your reputation is known to all.
So it doesn't really matter which group you fall in , if you are not content you can never be happy.
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Thanks to everyone for Guidance.

Especially AFRMS & SIR Nauman
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brother sarfaraz i would like to advise you to join omg without any apprehension because GOD ALMIGHTY which has blessed with success will also solve all your problems of accommodation and rent etc now i would like to shed some light on omg and its history because of the knowledge of my father who is a senior member of the civil service who retired as additional chief secretary to govt.of punjab a few years ago. Prior to the administrative reforms of 1973 omg was known as css i.e central secretariat service its name was changed to omg in 1973 promotion prospects have always been very bleak for omg officers because of their direct clash with the erstwhile csp the predecessor of dmg or pas of today but after the reforms of 1973 there is ray of hope for omg officers in the shape of secretariat service in which you can go when you are promoted to grade 19 .the administrative reforms of 1973 were CSP specific because the then cabinet secretary and the master mind of these reforms Waqar Ahmed failed in the ICS exams of 1934 and finally joined indian audit and accounts service he swore to take revenge from csp officers and somehow managed to win confidence of Bhutto .The reforms when implemented in feb 1973 trifurcated the CSP into secretariat group district management group and tribal affairs group .in those days secretariat group was part of competitive examination and you would be surprised to know that the toppers of css exam from 1973 to 1980 opted for SG but this group was abolished in 1980 by Ziaul haq as entry level group and was used by him to appoint cronies of military regime in the civil service now any employee of federal govt. whether he has entered the service through css exam or not can be appointed in grade 19 and after becoming part of SG they are eligible for appointment on the same posts as DMG/PAS so some one who has stated that omg cannot become secretary is technically correct because after becoming member of SG you will be posted on secretary level posts on SG quota
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now i am giving names of omg officers who held important slots for your encouragement Ghafoor Mirza former secretary general finance in nawaz sharif era was omg officer so was DR Safdar Mahmood the famous historian and columnist i would also like to share an interesting piece of info about DR Safdar he was originally inducted in the income tax group which was known as Pakistan Taxation Service PTS in those days after serving for a few years in income tax he realised that promotion is not much rapid in his department so he somehow managed to get himself inducted into the Intelligence Bureau he got two promotions in IB and when he reached grade 19 he again got himself inducted into the secretariat group then managed to get posting in punjab as secretary information punjab in nawaz sharifs era as C.M he was a member of gang of four i.e the four closest aides of c.m when he finally retired from service in grade 22 his colleagues in his parent cadre retired in grade 20. the purpose of giving these examples is make it clear for you that everything is possible in this country once you are a part of govt. irrespective of your cadre
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there is one more example of Abdullah Yousaf this gentleman was an employee of utility stores corporation but in musharaf era he was inducted into SG and was directly appointed chairman fbr with the rank of secretary general to govt of Pakistan he was also given backdated seniority when the serving secretaries protested what did shouktat aziz do he appointed him as the chairman of the secretaries committee and lastly there was this social welfare officer Khan Ahmed Goraya who was serving under my father when he was Deputy Commissioner Jhang grade 18 or 19 is a pinnacle for a social welfare department employee but he some how caught the fancy of benazir bhutto and was inducted into the secretariat group and finally retired from the rarefied heights of secretary general to govt. of pakistan
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What is job description/functions of an OMG officer ?
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