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The difference in DMG&PCS DDO(R) is that the former wud get their first posting at tehsils of big cities .The officers of PMS(PCS) got first posting as Section Officers and after one year they were posted as DDOs(g)(c)or(s)whereas DMGs were posted as DDO(R)s. DMG officers are given preferencial treatment at tehsil &district level vis a vis PCS Officers not because of their competence but only by dint of their affliation with a particular group.In Pre-Devolution period,DMGs,after 05 years(training+field posting), were posted as Dy.Secretary in Civil Secretariat As dy. Secretary they used to learn the working at sectretariat.But after devolution DMG has witnessed a lot of deterioration in terms of quality of intake and their resultant work.There were times when best men joined civil service and the best CSP/DMG but after Devolution even those guys who joined civil service prefered PSP.As a result those candidates who ordinarily would have joined Income Tax like groups have joined DMG.As a natural consequence, post 2001 DMGs wield respect and power not owing to their competence rather because of their affliation with a particular group.This is the main difference b/w a PCS and DMG DDO(R).Again an other thing is to mention;PCS Association has taken up the PCS officers cause and inshallah the Difference ,mentioned by Khattak sb will soon come to an end.
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The difference in DMG&PCS DDO(R) is that the former wud get their first posting at tehsils of big cities .The officers of PMS(PCS) got first posting as Section Officers and after one year they were posted as DDOs(g)(c)or(s)whereas DMGs were posted as DDO(R)s. DMG officers are given preferencial treatment at tehsil &district level vis a vis PCS Officers not because of their competence but only by dint of their affliation with a particular group.In Pre-Devolution period,DMGs,after 05 years(training+field posting), were posted as Dy.Secretary in Civil Secretariat As dy. Secretary they used to learn the working at sectretariat.But after devolution DMG has witnessed a lot of deterioration in terms of quality of intake and their resultant work.There were times when best men joined civil service and the best CSP/DMG but after Devolution even those guys who joined civil service prefered PSP.As a result those candidates who ordinarily would have joined Income Tax like groups have joined DMG.As a natural consequence, post 2001 DMGs wield respect and power not owing to their competence rather because of their affliation with a particular group.This is the main difference b/w a PCS and DMG DDO(R).Again an other thing is to mention;PCS Association has taken up the PCS officers cause and inshallah the Difference ,mentioned by Khattak sb will soon come to an end.
Sir please spend some time in having a look at the allocations of last 3-4 years, you would come to know that in some years either PSP-DMG is neck to neck and in some years DMG ended up above PSP, for example if you look at the allocations of CSS-2010, u would come to know that on punjab domicile PSP last allocation was on pak merit # 51, whereas DMG ended at pak merit # 45, then how can you be so judgmental that previous years' income tax allocations are now coming into DMG???? Income Tax still comes after DMG,PSP,FSP and PCS, the competition in top merit position is ONLY between DMG and PSP seats.

Therefore how competence can suffer? same CSS exam,Same top-35 merit position, same Common training, same specialized training which includes CPC,CRPC,PPC and law civil laws and to end it with the famously tough Final Passing Out Exam by FPSC. How could you start comparing officers of two totally different cadres? PCS/PMS have different exam, no common traning, not even closer to the training of DMG.

A DMG officers undergoes training for more than 2 years (including CTP,STP,UTship) and PCS/PMS officers undergo a training of few months and then aspire for equal postings? Moreover DMG officers are from Federal Govt, so their promotions are dealt by Federal Govt, whereas PMS/PCS officers are from provincial Govt and their promotion is against their own seniority in provincial Govt.

Therefore it is totally unfair to even compare the two services (DMG & PMS/PCS), both have totally different sellections, training and exposure...!!!!
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Sir please spend some time in having a look at the allocations of last 3-4 years, you would come to know that in some years either PSP-DMG is neck to neck and in some years DMG ended up above PSP, for example if you look at the allocations of CSS-2010, u would come to know that on punjab domicile PSP last allocation was on pak merit # 51, whereas DMG ended at pak merit # 45, then how can you be so judgmental that previous years' income tax allocations are now coming into DMG???? Income Tax still comes after DMG,PSP,FSP and PCS, the competition in top merit position is ONLY between DMG and PSP seats.

Therefore how competence can suffer? same CSS exam,Same top-35 merit position, same Common training, same specialized training which includes CPC,CRPC,PPC and law civil laws and to end it with the famously tough Final Passing Out Exam by FPSC. How could you start comparing officers of two totally different cadres? PCS/PMS have different exam, no common traning, not even closer to the training of DMG.

A DMG officers undergoes training for more than 2 years (including CTP,STP,UTship) and PCS/PMS officers undergo a training of few months and then aspire for equal postings? Moreover DMG officers are from Federal Govt, so their promotions are dealt by Federal Govt, whereas PMS/PCS officers are from provincial Govt and their promotion is against their own seniority in provincial Govt.

Therefore it is totally unfair to even compare the two services (DMG & PMS/PCS), both have totally different sellections, training and exposure...!!!!
And let me add,there were 16 DMG seats for Punjab,and 7 PSP seats,still DMG ends at merit position 45,and PSP at 51.I don't know why people from other groups and especially the PCS officers have a hard time realizing and accepting that DMG is a notch above(not a slight notch,but by a big margin) other groups and PMS,has been and would be.Any PMS officer,if given a chance would happily join Civil service as a DMGian.PMS officers were envisioned to 'assist' the CSP,not to compete them.Central Superior Services and DMG are a class apart.Accept the reality.The best would remain the best,no matter how much anyone tries to undermine it.

DMG se hur bande ki khaas dushmani lagti hey.It is often the target of criticism from all quarters.And what an irony that 70% of the people still have DMG as their top preference.I guess when this is itself a tribute to the enviable position of DMG as the top ranked service of Pakistan Civil Services.
And thanks redhawk for an apt reply.Its about time we DMGians start being vocal and protective about our service like the PMS chaps are.
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And let me add,there were 16 DMG seats for Punjab,and 7 PSP seats,still DMG ends at merit position 45,and PSP at 51.I don't know why people from other groups and especially the PCS officers have a hard time realizing and accepting that DMG is a notch above(not a slight notch,but by a big margin) other groups and PMS,has been and would be.Any PMS officer,if given a chance would happily join Civil service as a DMGian.PMS officers were envisioned to 'assist' the CSP,not to compete them.Central Superior Services and DMG are a class apart.Accept the reality.The best would remain the best,no matter how much anyone tries to undermine it.

DMG se hur bande ki khaas dushmani lagti hey.It is often the target of criticism from all quarters.And what an irony that 70% of the people still have DMG as their top preference.I guess when this is itself a tribute to the enviable position of DMG as the top ranked service of Pakistan Civil Services.
And thanks redhawk for an apt reply.Its about time we DMGians start being vocal and protective about our service like the PMS chaps are.
thnx for the compliments Hamza!!! One more thing i would like to add over here is that all these PMS officers are most of the time rejected from CSS exam or if sellected for PMS first they always try for CSS, if DMG is that bad and DMGian competence so on a decline then why do they join it? why don't they stick to "Brilliant" cadre of PMS? since as per Niazi sb PMS officerss are now equally competent like DMGian and DMGians are just enjoying the historical reputation developed of DMG.

Moreover let me share with you guys who think DMG to be equal to Income Tax; old Commissionerate system is 100% restored in Baluchistan. GB,AJK and ICT had the old system intact already, two amendments are almsot ready to be tabled before the Punjab Cabinet for handing over of Magistracy powers to ACs, by that amendment ACs would listen cases of minor crimes; relating to punishments max upto 3 years. This step is being taken because more than 100,000 such cases are pending with lower judiciary and this step would ensure speedy disposing off of cases. In Sindh DDO(R) is also holding the charge of SDM as well, as soon as MQM would be out of Govt during care taker Government period, old Commissionerate system is going to restored again in Sindh like it was before LGO,2001. Same are the news from KPK, initially they were looking to restore the previous system on 14th Aug 2011 but for the time being it is delayed because of certain issues in Hazara Sub-Division.

On logical grounds DMG still is the 1st choice for CSS qualifiers...PSP is opted by those who are either in love with uniform or they do not understand the exact govt system and when they progress in their career they realise the diffrence between two groups. If one has a look at the allocations from 2001 onwards he/she would come to know that every year DMG position is getting better n better.

Therefore please stop criticizing DMG by following the principle of "Grapes are sour"
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I very strongly question this claim. He can 'coordinate', but cannot 'instruct'.
Now dear coming to your "Question"...plz let me tell you that DCO is the administrative head of the district and Police is just a law enforecement arm of the DCO, to substiate this fact, plz let it be known that DCO chairs the Ditsrict meeting and DPO is just an attendant of that meeting like Officers from highway, building, works, irrigation, education, health, town administrations and ACs. Now law & order is an important responsibility of the DCO, for example during Muharram; a meeting is chaired by DCO to draw a plan of action and discuss it with all relevant officers of the district. In this meeting DCO "asks/instructs" the DPO to establish pickets, instruct patroling, where to put walk through gates and how many spoys to be deputed etc. Moreover it is the DPO who always walks upto the DCO office to attend the meeting NOT the DCO goes to DPO office to attend any meeting...hope this will help you clear you confusion
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thnx for the compliments Hamza!!! One more thing i would like to add over here is that all these PMS officers are most of the time rejected from CSS exam or if sellected for PMS first they always try for CSS, if DMG is that bad and DMGian competence so on a decline then why do they join it? why don't they stick to "Brilliant" cadre of PMS? since as per Niazi sb PMS officerss are now equally competent like DMGian and DMGians are just enjoying the historical reputation developed of DMG.

Moreover let me share with you guys who think DMG to be equal to Income Tax; old Commissionerate system is 100% restored in Baluchistan. GB,AJK and ICT had the old system intact already, two amendments are almsot ready to be tabled before the Punjab Cabinet for handing over of Magistracy powers to ACs, by that amendment ACs would listen cases of minor crimes; relating to punishments max upto 3 years. This step is being taken because more than 100,000 such cases are pending with lower judiciary and this step would ensure speedy disposing off of cases. In Sindh DDO(R) is also holding the charge of SDM as well, as soon as MQM would be out of Govt during care taker Government period, old Commissionerate system is going to restored again in Sindh like it was before LGO,2001. Same are the news from KPK, initially they were looking to restore the previous system on 14th Aug 2011 but for the time being it is delayed because of certain issues in Hazara Sub-Division.

On logical grounds DMG still is the 1st choice for CSS qualifiers...PSP is opted by those who are either in love with uniform or they do not understand the exact govt system and when they progress in their career they realise the diffrence between two groups. If one has a look at the allocations from 2001 onwards he/she would come to know that every year DMG position is getting better n better.

Therefore please stop criticizing DMG by following the principle of "Grapes are sour"
Couldn't agree more sir..I heard the KPK government restored it in Malakand Division with excellent and immediate results(nearly 7000 pending cases being solved in 6 months by SDM's).In any case,its the best model of governance ever to have been practiced in the Indian subcontinent,as well as the most successful.As a British ICS officer wrote,if there's one thing for which the British Raj would be remembered in India,its not the railway neither the other infrastructure that they built.Its the office of the Deputy Commissioner for which they deserve the most credit.
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Couldn't agree more sir..I heard the KPK government restored it in Malakand Division with excellent and immediate results(nearly 7000 pending cases being solved in 6 months by SDM's).In any case,its the best model of governance ever to have been practiced in the Indian subcontinent,as well as the most successful.As a British ICS officer wrote,if there's one thing for which the British Raj would be remembered in India,its not the railway neither the other infrastructure that they built.Its the office of the Deputy Commissioner for which they deserve the most credit.
Yes! but I am talking about the restoration of the designation of "AC"...in KPK its still called as "ACO" (Assistant Coordination Officer) NOT Assistant Commissioner, yes Malakand men restore hua he upto some extent, infact ACO Malakand (Qaisar Khan) is my batch mate.
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Moreover 2 ammendments are about to be tabled b 4 the punjab cabinet,which would give further judicial powers to Cs as mentioned above,the delay is because of the tussel between Central and provincial governments
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Brother,DC stands for Deputy Comissioner not District Commissioner.But,Now There are DCOs(District Coordination Officers) in Districts.



DDO(R) is Posted at Tehsil/Town Levels while DCOs is Posted in District and invested with same powers as DDO(R) in Tehsil.

Hope,it is understood Now.

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Hahahar Kamran brother i like your correction and home that MariLatif shall clarify his error, please. Thanks
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