[QUOTE=F.S.;257398]the terms of DMG won't b affected at all due to the rise of PMS b'cz the province and federation has devised since long a formula of number of vacancies for provincial services n all pak services in each grade.
This is the fundamental misconception in the minds of even DMGs that whether PMS rise or fall DMG shall not be effected.... i,m not for wither DMG but there are some facts which i want to underscore:
1) The formula that u referred is called IPCC formula 1993. This formula was approved in meeting of IPCC chaired by Moin Qureshi,interim Prime Minister.The interim Govt had no mandate to take such a momentus decision to alter ratios in sharing of seats to DMG's advantage.The PCS, whose share was slashed were unrepresented in the meeting.u ll be astonished to know that minutes(decisions) of the meeting were captioned as SECRET.When minutes were finally sent to President,Wasim Sajad for final nod,he refused to sign them. Consequently,those minutes were never notified.Hence u wont find them in any edition of Esta-code.Therefore,minutes that are not notified do not have the force of law,hence illegal.
The provincial services have agitated the legality of un-notified minutes of meeting commonly called IPCC Formula 1993 in Supreme court.And when supreme court ll set aside that formula ,DMG, even if it stays , shall have to re-negotiate the terms of their service and number of vacancies allocated to it vis-a-vis PMS...

As per my information, The posts of DCO of other districts will not be resultantly downgraded to BS-19, they will stay of BS-20.

Also, the downgrading of post of DPO is not in my knowledge. Kindly share your source of this information.

Source: Punjab govt

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Well things in the government work like one mentioned above.
Having previous government experience, i can assure that i'v seen the IPCC formula of sharing seats. it has been accepted by all provinces. minutes of meetings r not published in ESTA CODE!!!!!!!!!!!
Even though that exercise was done during care taker regime, yet a care taker government does have same jurisdiction, as that of any elected government. NFC Awards have, in the past, been approved in the care taker governments!!!!!!!!!!!

Its rather astonishing to comment on a decision on a case pending in SC, does filing a constitutional petition mean that one has won the case?????

Provincial services in Sindh have tried to upset the apple cart of sharing ratio by invoking judicial remedies, yet they were not successful........

Anyways, DMG as an occupational group is not at all dependent of seats in district.. their survival was n is never dependent on district administration, its much more... If DMG survived onslaught under Musharraf, it can also deal future challenges

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Best of luck to PCS officers association.

May Allah bless u with succuess and u become the Moosa for the Firaun of DMG as it is generally said " Har Firaun ra Moosa".

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May Allah blast PMS officers for good. They are fomenting fitna for just nothing. DMG officers are selected from the most competitive process I.e. CSS so they should be given preference. Also, All the legitimate demands of PMS officers are already been met but still they are spreading parochialism for their petty benefits. Government should take concrete steps against PMS officers.
Most of the PMS officials are corrupt. I can quote a lot of examples of their corrupt practices.
May Allah help DMG and all the federal officials in their legitimate struggle.

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@Devolution Geek

I absolutely disagree with your comments about PMS Officers. How can you say that most PMS Officers are corrupt? Have you conducted any scientific survey to this effect? How DMG officers can be considered any less corrupt given that they have been involved in the decline of most state-run institutions over the years like Railways, WAPDA, FBR, and land revenue administrations by virtue of holding key positions there. Besides, what demands of PCS Officers Welfare Association have been met by the Punjab Government? Except the demand about mandatory stay in a single grade, all other demands remain unmet even after passage of one and a half years since the movement started, with the bigwigs of Punjab Government paying only lip-service. In no other province, their provincial cadres are mistreated and discriminated against like in Punjab.

The major issue was promotion to BS-18 from BS-17 which in many cases was taking up to 18 years. For this purpose, 200 posts of DDO Registration etc were encadred for PMS Officers one day and only three days after the said notification, all these posts were abolished on the pretext of curtailing the provincial government expenditure. Hence any gains supposedly made by the Association were reversed by this decision. Thus, this issue remains unresolved.

Also, the other key demand was abolition of the unjust Moeen Qureishi formula which fixed the quota of seats in various grades for DMG Officers vs. the PCS/PMS Officers. Although this formula was not approved by the President as required by Civil Service of Pakistan (Composition and Cadre) Rules 1954, it was arbitrarily implemented. Under the formula, no post of grade 22 was given to provincial services. 65% seats of grade 21 were taken away by APUG/DMG and the remaining 35 % were given to the Provincial Civil Service (PCS) and Provincial Secretariat Service (PSS). Almost 60% seats of grade 20 were taken away by APUG/DMG and only 40% were given to both the PCS and the PSS. Such rules were promulgated to give the DMG-dominated provincial bureaucracy powers to disqualify the PCS from promotions. DMG has got a quota allocated which is twice its numerical strength in the province. It is strange indeed that 134 DMG officers in grade 18 should have 300 grade 18 seats in the province. Training has been made mandatory for promotion of PCS officers but they are deliberately denied the opportunity of training. Against more than 25 vacant seats in grade 20, only one PCS officer was nominated for NIPA training. There is not a single administrative secretary from PCS/PMS and belatedly only one commissioner (Commissioner Sahiwal) has been posted from PCS. Many DMG officers of grade 18 have been posted as DCOs while PCS officers of grade 19 have been made to work under them which is absolutely disgraceful. A PCS officer has to wait for 18 long years in grade 17 for being promoted to the next grade. Unfortunately, PCS officers are facing the worst type of discrimination in terms of their services structure, postings and promotions. On the other hand, officers of the District Management Group (DMG) are promoted to Grade 20 within the same period.

Now coming to your argument that because DMG Officers are coming from a very competitive process therefore they should be preferred, I will like to refer you to the competence level of Punjab Public Service Commission which recruits PCS/PMS Officers and is considered one of the best recruitment commissions for government servants in the country. The PMS Exam is often tougher than the CSS Exam nowadays with both optional subjects like in CSS as well as Urdu as a compulsory subjects besides other mandatory subjects like English, Islamiat and General Knowledge. The current composition of PPSC Members indicates that it has a retired Lt. General as its head and for its members it has six former federal secretaries (4 belonging to DMG), 3 former IGPs (PSPs) and one Additional IGP (PSP). If you think that PPSC is any less competitive than FPSC, you are either mistaken or you are doubting the performance of PPSC members who are mostly drawn from the ranks of DMG and PSP.

In conclusion, I wish to say that the extreme demand of PCS Officers Welfare Association that all DMGs be repatriated to the federal government in not justified since its goes against the federal system of governance which is in place in Pakistan. However, other demands like re-negotiation over the Moeen Qureishi formula, training opportunities, reasonable pace of promotion and better postings for provincial cadres are justified. If DMG officers currently at the held of affairs don't pay any heed to these demands, there will be a time when courts will have to intervene and bring an end to such arbitrary decision-making that has become the grundnorm of Punjab's ruling administration.

Well said Sandhurst.

Why don't you write a letter to the dawn editor in reply to today's article of Kunwar Idris? I hope it will be published.

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Dear Sandhurst.

Thaks for a very informative post. it has enabled me to undestand Moeen Qureshi formula ? could u please tell what was the position before this formula ?

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@candidatespsc

The previous position according to DMGs is as follows:

"It was felt that ground rules must be laid very clearly as to which posts the CSPs may hold and which may be filled in by other officers. Since the matter was between the federating units, who had voluntarily accepted the idea, so a second conference of governors and chief ministers of the four provinces was held in 1954 with the then Prime Minister Mohammad Ali Bogra, in the chair. The statesmen agreed on 729 posts in Pakistan (including the then-East Pakistan which is the present-day Bangladesh, as the Prime Minister too belonged to our Eastern wing) were reserved exclusively for the CSP while quota was apportioned for other posts [i.e. 80% of the Commissioners, 50% of the Deputy Commissioners and 10% of the Assistant Commissioners were to be CSP’s in each province; the rest to be filled by the provincial cadres]. This agreement is called the CSP Cadre & Composition Rules 1954, which governs the APUG service quotas to date. The police service rules were made much later in 1969 and updated and revised in 1985. Despite the provisional rules of 1993 providing for revision of the 1954 formula, no updated rules have so far been framed.

The CSP (Composition & Cadre) Rules, 1954 pre date all the three Constitutions of Pakistan, and stand protected under the constitution. Being a solemn agreement between the Federation and units, no side can unilaterally change them even through a constitutional amendment unless this gets approved by the provinces etc."

So this so-called CSP (Composition & Cadre) Rules, 1954 has even been made superior to the 1973 Constitution by our DMG friends. (You should note that DMG was previously known as CSP and like in present day all CSS-qualified officers were not called CSPs).

The so-called CSP Cadre & Composition Rules 1954 which in any case should have come to their logical end after 1973 reforms when CSP was abolished and replaced by DMG, have also been challenged by the PCS Officers Welfare Association vide Constitutinoal Misc Applications 66, 67 & 68/2010 filed by the PCS Officers' Associations of Punjab, Sindh and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.

@anwaartheravian

I have just read Kunwar Idris's article after you pointed it out. The naked support he has expressed for the DMG surprises me despite his past affiliation to that group. Perhaps people in their self-interest and ingrained biases, tend to behave differently. The crux of his article was the following:

"The grievances of the PCS officers may be legitimate and their aspirations justified. But they must not compare their career path and promotion prospects with the DMG — the District Management Group which, though much diminished in worth and authority, is still a successor to the Civil Service of Pakistan (CSP) and before that the fabled Indian Civil Service of colonial times."


So essentially what he is arguing is that just because DMG is a successor to the fabled Indian Civil Service of colonial times, the demands of PCS Officers albeit legitimate and justified must be thrown in the dustbin. Also, because it used to happen in his father's time to PCS, so PCS Officers should not expect things to improve now and that they cannot consider themselves as equal to DMG. What a joke!

Has anyone considered why it is only the DMG which is having troubles with PCS Officers as well as other CSS-qualified occupational groups? Previously, some of them tried to get ambassadorial postings (e.g. Dr. Jehanzeb Khan, President DMG Officers Association sought to become Pak's ambassador to France) and only a threat of writ petition by the Foreign Secretary resulted in him backing off. Present Chairman of Wapda Mr. Shakeel Durrani with no experience in water and power is from DMG. So is the Chairmen of FBR and Railways with no experience in taxation or commercial transportation. DMGs tend to usurp 60% BS-22 seats in the Federal Secretariat despite being smaller in size to OMG and IRS. Previously, there was a tug of war between PSPs and DMGs on the issue of devolution and Police Order 2002. Recently, Salman Siddique, Chairman FBR while attending the Central Selection Board meeting deliberately delayed the promotions of Pakistan Customs and IRS Officers to BS-21 so as to benefit DMGs during distribution of Secretariat Group seats. Are you aware that no seat in the Ministry of Commerce or Ministry of Industries and Production has been encadred for officers belonging to Commerce & Trade Group? When they work in these two lucrative Ministries which are most relevant to their job description, they are considered on deputation! This is just to enable DMGs to get choicest postings in these Ministries. Since, the mandatory training for promotion is controlled by DMG-dominated Establishment Division, deliberate efforts are made to keep the number of participants from occupational groups other than DMG on the lower side.

So, it is not the PCS Officers who are at the receiving end of DMG, it is almost all service groups and it is high time that people should stand up for their rights and attempt to rectify these wrongs.