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It seems to me that some DMGians r suffering from extreme soperirity complex n mr Hamza u r one of them. U r moderator of this forum n u must b aware of ur duties. Ur attitude is always biased n does not reflect that u r moderator.
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I am back after a deep slumber .
Look bro Hashmi! What ever he (Hamza) is saying is absolutely right. I have great respect and honour for him. He is depicting the true picture of each and every service. Look dear! I have served in Punjab government for few years and I am blessed with the first hand experience of each and every situation. DMGs belong to the best of our country's crop and there is no match between a DMG officer and a PMS one. But still I think PMS officers have their own role and place and they are far better than the poor Railway and Information groups officers.
So! Stop bickering and start thinking about nation. The country needs you !!!
Keep it up Hamza and Red Hawk !!
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It seems to me that some DMGians r suffering from extreme soperirity complex n mr Hamza u r one of them. U r moderator of this forum n u must b aware of ur duties. Ur attitude is always biased n does not reflect that u r moderator.
DMGians don't really need to suffer any sort of complex.DMG is the top occupational group of Civil Services and I,or anyone else,doesn't need to prove it.Alhamdulilah District Management Group is a tradition of excellence,and by the grace of God I am lucky enough to be a part of it.
And what you call biaseness,I call it 'group loyalty' and as in sociology they would call it,'Asabiyat'..I am not only a moderator,but also a member of this forum and someone who belongs to the DMG fraternity,so I reserve the right to keep and express my opinions.I am loyal to my group,and would always speak about it.If you call this 'biased',then I have been this 'biased' even before I attempted this exam.
And thank you for the advise,but I do not need a certificate from any authority to prove that I am a moderator.
Once a DMGian,always a DMGian,and Alhamdulilah proud of it.

P.S:Thanks Devolutiongeek for reiterating my point,and for the kind words.I am humbled
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It seems to me that some DMGians r suffering from extreme soperirity complex n mr Hamza u r one of them. U r moderator of this forum n u must b aware of ur duties. Ur attitude is always biased n does not reflect that u r moderator.
Firstly plz let me know any ONE good/crispy reason of DMG officers being under any complex,If you bother to look at the CSS-2010 allocations u'll come to know that almost every DMG allocated candidate had the option of joining ANY OTHER occupational group including PSP; means DMG ended up to be the TOP group of CSS-2010, then in such situation why would a DMG officer would be under any kind of complex (superior or Inferior) when have EARNED their position on merit NOT by conducting processions on the road, arrested by Police, by ending up in the lock ups and then by submitting written apologies to Govt of Punjab to re-post them. Everyone knows which service followed this POLITICAL/VIOLENT ways to get favours.

Alhamdillah....the positions DMG officers are enjoying are only because of their competence, DMGians are educated and trained well enough to display professionalism, in fact DMG fraternity's 1st requirement is professionalism. DMGians do not come on streets and do not use violent means to compel the Govt to give them better postings.

DMG shouldnt even be compared with PSP, what to talk about PMS? after training of few months, these PMS guys want them to be posted on same postings as of DMG officers??? and let it be known that PMS slow promotion is nothing to do with DMG. PMS Officers are promoted against their own service seniority under punjab Govt, whereas DMG officers are promoted aganist their seperate seniority under instructions from Establishment Division and after completing required courses batch wise. PMS guys! plz accept the reality and dont b under any inferiority complex...DMG was the best, is the best and InshAllah would be the best service ever in Pakistan.

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It's doubtless that DMG alongwith Psp is the top occupational group of civil service n there is no comparasion b/w DMG n PMS officers at all. But if u people think that only DMGians r educated n competant then u r at fault. Often in css exam luck plays it's role.
Mr Hamza n mr red hawk tell me honestly u were sure to get DMG when u were taking exams n u may know ur other fellows who r allocated in other groups were less educated n competant than u r. If God has bestowed upon u his blessings than b humble n don, t show ur contempt for other groups.
Mr Hamza,
duties of moderator is to pacify the situation not to intensify it. No doubt u r also a member of this forum but u should keep in mind that thir forum has many members bt very few moderators.
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when u said even Psp should, nt b compared with DMG n. Wt to talk of PMS then it's needless to give u another example of ur complex. Sir it's a fact that DMG is the top occupational group of civil service n if u r wasting so much of ur energy to prove then I think u hav some doubts of it's being so.
And sir, as well as comparasion of Psp with DMG is concerned, if u bother to look at the allocations of css 2009 then u might hav not said so.

One thing more I wanted to add in ur knowledge that topper off css 2006, 2007, male topper of css 2008, 2009 n 2010 app opted for Psp.
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It's doubtless that DMG alongwith Psp is the top occupational group of civil service n there is no comparasion b/w DMG n PMS officers at all. But if u people think that only DMGians r educated n competant then u r at fault. Often in css exam luck plays it's role.
Mr Hamza n mr red hawk tell me honestly u were sure to get DMG when u were taking exams n u may know ur other fellows who r allocated in other groups were less educated n competant than u r. If God has bestowed upon u his blessings than b humble n don, t show ur contempt for other groups.
Mr Hamza,
duties of moderator is to pacify the situation not to intensify it. No doubt u r also a member of this forum but u should keep in mind that thir forum has many members bt very few moderators.
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when u said even Psp should, nt b compared with DMG n. Wt to talk of PMS then it's needless to give u another example of ur complex. Sir it's a fact that DMG is the top occupational group of civil service n if u r wasting so much of ur energy to prove then I think u hav some doubts of it's being so.
And sir, as well as comparasion of Psp with DMG is concerned, if u bother to look at the allocations of css 2009 then u might hav not said so.

One thing more I wanted to add in ur knowledge that topper off css 2006, 2007, male topper of css 2008, 2009 n 2010 app opted for Psp.
Dear its not the matter of getting into or getting allocation into DMG; that makes you competence, it is NOT like that. Thing which makes you competent is the extensive training which follows right after the selection process.

Moreover your mentioning of the fact that toppers of certain CSS attempts opted for PSP as their first choice, well let me tell you that it is their INDIVIDUAL decision, this does not prove that if a topper opt for PSP then PSP is the most demanded group. Overall 1st preference of say top 40-50 pakistan merit numbers is considered to get an idea.

Now you mentioned about CSS-2009, dear please see again and you would know that PSP had 16 seats and DMG had 36 seats, so its imperitive that in normal circumstances PSP would have ended above DMG in that scenario. To put it in numberic form amongst the TOP-50 pakistan merit order, 27 of them had DMG as their first preference, where as rest 23 merit position holders had PSP,FSP,PCS or MLCG as their first preference.

By mentioning this I do not mean that by just getting allocation into DMG makes you competent, it is the training, the organizational behavior, the DMG professional fraternity, Courses offered to DMG officers from time to time which makes the difference.

So please stop comparing other groups with DMG merely on the basis of difference of the factors mentioned above.

PS; you did not justify the PMS violence n unprofessional tactics to get better postings
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Moreover If you are convinced about DMG being the top group then what this discussion is all about? I was just defending and clarifying the miscalculated and baseless points raised aganist DMG by you and some other fellows in this thread. I have already mentioned and explained the reasons for DMGians being competent. We do not have contempt/biasness against any other group but please stop practically demonstrating the famous proverb "Grapes are Sour".

Please do me a favour and do have a look at the course outline of Specialised Training Programme of DMG, the academic exercise we undergo, the amount of visits across the country, the amount of assignments and presentations we make, the level of faculty we get training from e.g Khalil Ramdy, Khalid Ranjha, Aitzaz Ehsan & Aamer Raza . Alhamdillah we are humble and in every breath we thank God for giving us this favour; no question about that.

P.S; I suggest Hamza to please close the thread, I am convinced that we are just wasting our time by debating on the above issue, let them come in the field, let the respective groups' performance do the talking in the field.
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mr red.hawk wt u pple kept on repeating, grapes r soure. its not the case as i m quite contented wid my present job. if i would b lucky enough r belonged to some specific class as u r then i would prefer psp. as well as competancy is concerned , member of every ocupational group is imparted training in best possible way by the best facualty. the pple u mentioned who will make u competant during training r expert in their own fields having no experience of making officers competant. finally mr red. hawk u got merit 234 in ur 2008 attempt n 228 in ur 2010 attemt, i m afraid if u don,t belong to specific community then u wil not b alocated even in postal group. its unfair on ur part make pple understand that u belong to dmg of 37th comon.
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mr red.hawk wt u pple kept on repeating, grapes r soure. its not the case as i m quite contented wid my present job. if i would b lucky enough r belonged to some specific class as u r then i would prefer psp. as well as competancy is concerned , member of every ocupational group is imparted training in best possible way by the best facualty. the pple u mentioned who will make u competant during training r expert in their own fields having no experience of making officers competant. finally mr red. hawk u got merit 234 in ur 2008 attempt n 228 in ur 2010 attemt, i m afraid if u don,t belong to specific community then u wil not b alocated even in postal group. its unfair on ur part make pple understand that u belong to dmg of 37th comon.
Dear whenever an officer improves his group,his common always remains the same...I'll always remain from 37th Common, and about merit order and all that plz keep in mind that I am allocated by the notified rules n regulations by FPSC...since nw u r short of aurguments therefore nw you are making personal comments..there are a lot of other quotas available as well...Your above post has proved your competence level already
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Hey guys y r u so tensd n justifying ur groups?...i think Every group has its own charm

Practical Life is entirely diffrent from ur opinions ...if u see whether a CSP/dmg or a pms officer is posted as AC, both hv same powers, honour and prestge....issue has been resolved, PMS officers r given promotion at the same footing of CSP....if a person is competent whether he is from DMG or PMS get posted at powerful seat ....on a place/distt/division pms officer is superior(as DC/DCO/Commissioner etc) or at other place a dmg enjoying the same ...n both r working with good cooperation.

When u compare DMG n PMS...u ignore other aspects....federal govt renders services of a CSP to Provice and provinces r autonomous, so dmg works under the conrtol of province n considered part of pronvincial govt, almost same syllabus for PMS, etc

its my humble request, if u guys dont degrade any group/service...!!
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