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dear as all annexures 1,2,3 etc stated and explained by my dear member, it may be like this but it was a time when people paid respect to police when it wasn`t bogged down in corruption and paying sympathy to upper levels... my dear member now the situation has been changed completely. even a labour can march against him, media is in dire search against any unlawful by govt personnels as well as legislators... the chair the seat isn`t their own. i suggest u to argue with anyone of police personnel who is in bit high rank... higher the rank higher the responsible.. to know the road ahead ask those who coming back... even a hare bites if it is cornered.... i know an s.p who was rueing the day when he joined police department he is in superannuation and just passing the time in peaceful manner, one must acquire police service if he dare to face consequences now one doesn`t know u but after u came in fold of police u will be in lips of every one, u will get friend and u will face foes, paradoxically u even known how this or that man became ur enemy, ur family and ur life will be in danger... am not here advocating not to join, the contamination of corruption,unlawness,law and order situation was just because of those peoples who only worried for their self... its a best responsibility to perform and serve because police man is in forefront always when i,you,we,us,all sitting in our houses enjoying perks and watching news and commenting upon it, but only thing to say is only join police services if u want to serve for ur country with justice and fairplay which is badly needed now a days and i advise to all ung generation including me that dispell the policy what our predecessors did. if we want to live in our country we have to save our country in honest and fairplay manner,
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I can answer each one of you individually, i have a lot of material but do not have that much time.. Anyone of you interested can contact me through my Cell no which I'm giving in my profile specially for this thread.
Still I give you all a little example;
Now Artemis and scsaus
Sis and bro The SP of my distt. makes 5 MPAs and 3 MNAs wait outside his office for hours and then gives them hardly 5-10 mints each. One is federal minister (MNA), his younger brother (MPA), that minister's two nephews one is MNA and second is MPA plus that minister's daughter in law's father (MNA) and 3 other MPAs, all are the ruling party's current parliamentarians. They all have tried their best to transfer that SP but its his third year, he is still there. he is a PSP. He's not from Punjab Police, if he had been so, he might have been transferred the very first month.
Now scsaus you were saying that an IG has to bend infront of an MPA.
IGP is the controller of whole province man. what is an MPA ???
I hope everyone is clear now.
I can answer all your queries I'm confident but some other time.
And people this is what is happening in Mandi bahauddin. I belong to rural area. And not only the people of MBD but all the rural people literally say 'ye naya sp aya hai'
Jahan tak cruiser ki official use ki bat hai, maine kab kaha ke SP uski drifting karta hai ???? did i say anything like that?
Aap loge hain shehry, apka wasta nahi parta police se... aap awam nahi hain... awam rural areas main bethi hai, go and ask them ke SP ke ik word se insaf kaise milta hai... kash ye sab kuch dawn main likha ata to aap sab bhaag ke yakeen kae lete...
i do not have time but i really really want to discuss this issue and i invite everybody to have discussion on any topic.

see my profile...

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Absolutely, i m confident too that one can serve with dignity at his will as being a PSP officer .. To stand upright the strength is character, if one is weak in that area then anyone can use him ..
By the way I would love to make the MPA's and MNA's waiting for me at my office (door step) ..
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I can answer each one of you individually, i have a lot of material but do not have that much time.. Anyone of you interested can contact me through my Cell no which I'm giving in my profile specially for this thread.
Still I give you all a little example;
Now Artemis and scsaus
Sis and bro The SP of my distt. makes 5 MPAs and 3 MNAs wait outside his office for hours and then gives them hardly 5-10 mints each. One is federal minister (MNA), his younger brother (MPA), that minister's two nephews one is MNA and second is MPA plus that minister's daughter in law's father (MNA) and 3 other MPAs, all are the ruling party's current parliamentarians. They all have tried their best to transfer that SP but its his third year, he is still there. he is a PSP. He's not from Punjab Police, if he had been so, he might have been transferred the very first month.
Now scsaus you were saying that an IG has to bend infront of an MPA.
IGP is the controller of whole province man. what is an MPA ???
I hope everyone is clear now.
I can answer all your queries I'm confident but some other time.
And people this is what is happening in Mandi bahauddin. I belong to rural area. And not only the people of MBD but all the rural people literally say 'ye naya sp aya hai'
Jahan tak cruiser ki official use ki bat hai, maine kab kaha ke SP uski drifting karta hai ???? did i say anything like that?
Aap loge hain shehry, apka wasta nahi parta police se... aap awam nahi hain... awam rural areas main bethi hai, go and ask them ke SP ke ik word se insaf kaise milta hai... kash ye sab kuch dawn main likha ata to aap sab bhaag ke yakeen kae lete...
i do not have time but i really really want to discuss this issue and i invite everybody to have discussion on any topic.

see my profile...

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bro i completely agree with u! i observe daily whatever u said! all the other cant even imagine the life of a psp! but one thing ap ne bat ki k IG bends over MPA not possible, it is possible but one have to be with dead conscious. IG Pukhtoonkhwa , mr MALIK naveed is one of them! Niazi Ali Shah jo k ek civil non elected banda tha ( a bankrupt businessman) per he waz the advisor of CM. IG ka suba suba salam k lie ana lazmi tha coz he got 3 years extension" as he is retired.....he has a share in transferring PSP, hiring ASIs, corruption in funds of ATS and ELITE squad force and much more!

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The situation is not so much grim. Majority of candidates opt for PSP and this is the reason for taking CE. Why?
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one thing ap ne bat ki k IG bends over MPA not possible, it is possible but one have to be with dead conscious. IG Pukhtoonkhwa , mr MALIK naveed is one of them! Niazi Ali Shah jo k ek civil non elected banda tha ( a bankrupt businessman) per he waz the advisor of CM. IG ka suba suba salam k lie ana lazmi tha coz he got 3 years extension" as he is retired.....he has a share in transferring PSP, hiring ASIs, corruption in funds of ATS and ELITE squad force and much more!
Shah jee agr us insan ne extension li hai CM ke advisor ke through to phir to usko ye karna parta hoga na.... wo iski qeemat bhi adaa karta ho ga..
As stunner said ke bande ke character pe depend karta hai...
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Expansion of ideas - Draw a realistic picture of life in PSP


Mangat is right, in one district there are many MPs but one DPO and they have to bow down to DPO. Moreover, DPOs can't easily be transferred because PPO/IG has to look his own interests i.e. choosing good officers, administrators and then frequent posting transfers are avoided. Furthermore there are hundreds of Member Parliament and IGP/PPO is only one in a province so, IGP only listen CM not every tom dick and harry.

Initial posting is a problem but it not at all for PSP officers. There is still merit and they make lobby and take care of one anther's interests. But for every service strong background is necessary for getting good posting. I remember a DPO (PSP), 3 provincial ministers, 2 MNAs, 1 senator left no stone unturned to transfer him but all in vain bcz he was brother of Corps Commander.

Official powers depends on personal guts and skill. If someone is strict and follow red-tappism then he will not be welcomed otherwise there are officer who have good diplomatic skills and keep contacts with influential people of the area, so they don't face any kind of difficulty.

PSP is a tiresome job as mentioned by DEADLYDOCTOR but they enjoy in term of service i.e. long range of personal attendants bcz there is no scarcity of staff in Police Deptt: you will can see lush push life of PSP officers. Whereas in DMG there is no such facility, only one peon only for office hours.

Our society is power conscious, a person with gunmen and uniform is held in high esteem and he is nucleus of any social gathering. Might is right and worshipers of rising sun only worship power. DMG is undoubtedly evergreen service but in terms of respect and protocol PSP is on highest degree. A DMG officer except few postings travel alone with driver whereas a PSP officer in Pakistan not only get self protection but also protect their relatives and family.

There is not Rule of Law in our country nor any kind of writ of law. So, PSP is the best option for getting higher prestige and self protection but for it you have to sacrifice your personal life.

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before this topics prolongs without any conclusion I request CSP's of PSP group to participate and tell us who wrote or sign the ACR, DCO writes/Sign the ACR of ASPs
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before this topics prolongs without any conclusion I request CSP's of PSP group to participate and tell us who wrote or sign the ACR, DCO writes/Sign the ACR of ASPs
When did we disagree with the fact ?
Here we are not comparing the 2 groups but highlighting the life of a PSP.
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DCO writes/Sign the ACR of ASPs
Who told you that? DCOs do not write the ACR of any police official. He cannot instruct police to do anything.

DCOs cannot command police in anyway but can only "coordinate" with them.
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