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PSP is NOT AT ALL suitable for ladies. Just imagine, rationally, can a woman lead a police raid and jump over the walls and go inside to arrest dacoits/terrorists? I believe, NO. Moreover, there is a lot more that criminals can do if they abduct a lady police officer? Can a woman go on patrolling with her driver at 3 am? How would her driver feel? How would her husband feel? How will her parents agree to this? What time will she have for her kids?

If she is not posted in the field, then although she will be wearing uniform, she will be no different to a section officer of OMG or AC of Income Tax etc. DMG, ITG, CEG, PA&AS are much better for ladies!! A senior lady PSP officer is working in traffic police and on other non-operational posts since long.

And as regards the stupid argument that society will change, I say it will not. Two ladies joining PSP cannot change a society of 180 million. The quota system for ladies in each group has been taken on political reasons, not on logical strength. Therefore, even if ladies join PSP today, 80% of them will repent their decision 10 years from now.

Therefore, I will recommend to all ladies not to fight nature. Police is psychologically, physically and even morally demanding sometimes. Therefore, stick to the more traditional roles, according to our society.

Society needs changes in many other and most important areas. If a lady really wants to do something for society, she may join DMG, CEG, PA&AS. Opportunities to serve the nation exist everywhere. Joining PSP may be enticing today, and excruciating later.
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Well these are baseless arguments that what would her husband feel or her driver feel. Lady doctors performing night duties also face similar situation. I mean a person has to be a little bit broad minded to work in the field. There is no need to repent if one sacrifices his/ her life for the country. There is no greater honor than that. Women are more than capable of performing raids, training is all about these things. Nothing is impossible. Women are in Police, though in small numbers. If encouraged the numbers would swell up.
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Well, i think respected Nauman has fully justified the contention that PSP is not suitable for women. I fully underpin his justification. Society is not going to change to this extent. They cant cope with the PSP duties, and it will not be having any charm if they corner themselves to the duties away from the fields like investigation, CID, Special Branch etc. So women had better make better choice.
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@ French.

Your arguments are not convincing. You are just saying that they are not suitable in police because they are not fit for that and also because society does not want them to be there. It is because of this mindset that women in Pakistan are in such a poor state. The point is that if lady police officers are sitting in the police stations then the females can lodge complaints with a lot of ease. A rape victim cannot lodge a complaint in front of a male police officer. I am talking about women empowerment but in our caste ridden society that is considered a crime. Our women can do everything, they are capable enough. Running after dacoits is not the only job of police. Female officers can look after the women in distress. Its a noble cause and Islam does not prohibit any one from doing a job as honorable as this.

And one more thing if male police officer can better run after the dacoits then why still dacoities are taking place? I mean males are just good for nothing.
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Well these are baseless arguments that what would her husband feel or her driver feel. Lady doctors performing night duties also face similar situation. I mean a person has to be a little bit broad minded to work in the field. There is no need to repent if one sacrifices his/ her life for the country. There is no greater honor than that. Women are more than capable of performing raids, training is all about these things. Nothing is impossible. Women are in Police, though in small numbers. If encouraged the numbers would swell up.
If you are comparing a lady doctor on night shift with a woman police officer's patrolling at night, and draing parallels between them, then I think no one can win any argument with you.

Moreover, how can a 5 ft 2 inches girl be as good in physical assault as a 6 ft man? Maybe you should not pick up arguments just for the sake of arguments. Moreover, if you have spent most of your life in US or Europe, then try to observe Pakistani society more closely. It will benefit you in future life.

Regards. And nothing personal. I am always blunt.
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if the main question is running after dacoits,do u think our fat police men can do this.
In all groups women have to work with men and if parents and husbands r not confident about their females,why they urge them for job.
if women r emotional and cant take right decision,why u people elect them in elections.
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@ seep.

I agree with your thoughts. Our women are more than capable. Those who are against the females joining police force don't want the male hegemony to be broken. You are right that females have to work with males in every service group. Women must come forward so that the problems faced by them can be solved with much ease.
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Females are more than welcome in police. Now things have changed and its not the same as it was 20,30 years back. If females can become pilots then why not police officers. This is just a perception that police is not suited to females, otherwise there is no such thing to be afraid of.
Friend, I myself stand to be female. i tell you one truth...My close relative is a senior officer in Air Force,,,, He once said the recently recruited females in Air forceas GDP are good for nothing. They come wearing Full make-up...cant do anything and just register their presence. clear??

I also support female Induction in PSP...but not in Operational field...Many may say they can even serve in operational field.but practically speaking it is impossible.

Had it been possible....Many females in western modern societies would have generals in Army Fighting corps. R there any instances of female generals in fighting corps?

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@ Nauman.

Sir i have spent most of my life in Pakistan so i understand this society really well. I understand both rural and urban society. But i feel sorry for those women who have to suffer at the hands of male companions. If women really want to change their condition then it is better to have them in Police department. If women parliamentarians can understand the problems of women better then definitely women police officers would work much better than male police officers.
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With Due apology...............I believe dear friend shallowater is not practical.................................Woman in PSP no way.........Those who are in it are regretting to opt for PSP..........As man cant be good aya.....so female cant serve in operational field...........(fighting side of PSP)...
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