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With due respect, I would not support your stance, We are also living in this society. Bureaucracy is not just about a post or vehicles etc look at it in a boarder scenario. You should accept the reality that there is not comparison at all between A CSP and an employee of a corporate sector. Look, for example, compare a SP and a Finance Manager of an organization. The Sp is incharge of about three or four police stations, in layman's terminology he is the King of all that area and you can better imagine his power and influence in public and in Government. Whereas, what do you think what kind of powers would a finance manager carries? His power and authority is just restricted inside the boundries of his organization.
Now i would like to give you a real life example as well, my father has been working for the last 28 years in a large organization, he usually works 10 to 12 hours a day. We have been hand to mouth ever long. On the other hand his fellows who joined Civil Service or Army are financially far far better.
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With due respect, I would not support your stance, We are also living in this society. Bureaucracy is not just about a post or vehicles etc look at it in a boarder scenario. You should accept the reality that there is not comparison at all between A CSP and an employee of a corporate sector. Look, for example, compare a SP and a Finance Manager of an organization. The Sp is incharge of about three or four police stations, in layman's terminology he is the King of all that area and you can better imagine his power and influence in public and in Government. Whereas, what do you think what kind of powers would a finance manager carries? His power and authority is just restricted inside the boundries of his organization.
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Woh 30 vehicles us k apne nahi hote. Compare the vehicle he gets for personal use with the vehicle an executive gets. You will see the real picture. And keep in mind that to become an IG one has to suck up to a politician. However, in the corporate sector one can gain promotions on merit. (This also holds true to an extent for the civil service).
Don't compare the IG with an engineer with 25-30 years. Compare him to the chief executive of a major corporation. You will realize that his monthly salary alone can buy the 30 cars an IG never owns.
Now what other perks you want to compare? In this day and age, money buys everything. In fact many bureaucrats have been bought by wealthy people to grant them numerous favours. The power or prestige factor is to an extent still there but is nowhere near what our ancestors enjoyed before devolution.

You say that "at every stage a CSS officer is better placed than an engineer, MBA etc.". I highly doubt this. Believe me, many people in my family are buraucrats. At one stage they are Commissioners and CCPOs, while at one stage they are transferred to a remote station where they do not have any power or influence. Not even the vehicles you crave. I am not making this up. I am just stating what I have personally seen. While bureaucrats retire, most people forget who they were or what they had. The "30 vehicles" you speak of go away. The accomodation (if he even had any) is taken away. All he has to live on is a meagre pension in which he faces difficulty to make ends meet.
You are mixing Money with Power.
If you need money and luxuries , then ofcourse CSS is not your option.
Regardless of how much money a business executive or Engineer earn in a month, its not more then the power of a CSP officer. An MBA or an Engineer will still dependent on SP for his several works.
Political influence in bureaucracy is the problem of whole world, its not only in Pakistan. But keep in mind, politicians also depend on bureaucracy for their needs.
A finance minister do not make the budget, its "THE BUREAUCRATS" in Ministry of Finance who make the budget.
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oh no bro talalz u need to get your facts straight..brother pakistan`s industry is in deteriorate condition..i m a doctor n i m working in private hospital earning 25 thousand per month some of my seniors who are doing post graduation are even working for 14 thousand stipend per month with no other facility,n this is becoz the number of graduates in medical is far exceeding the posts available..same is the case with engineering ..to move out of pakistan is another difficult thing coz u need a lot of cash in ur pockets to do so..n even those who do r unhappy coz money they earn there may look huge enough but they can just afford a normal mediocre life there,,plus ppl there look down upon u bcoz of you being paki,,u have no respect in there society...so in prevailing conditions a large number of medical and engineering students are running 4 css bcause in it you have respect and if u talk of privileges n perks no private sector in pakistan can compare to it..u get house, car , guard, cook so on and same is in army....now focus is so much diverting towards army ,css ,judiciary...private sector has totaly been ruined ..
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oh no bro talalz u need to get your facts straight..brother pakistan`s industry is in deteriorate condition..i m a doctor n i m working in private hospital earning 25 thousand per month some of my seniors who are doing post graduation are even working for 14 thousand stipend per month with no other facility,n this is becoz the number of graduates in medical is far exceeding the posts available..same is the case with engineering ..to move out of pakistan is another difficult thing coz u need a lot of cash in ur pockets to do so..n even those who do r unhappy coz money they earn there may look huge enough but they can just afford a normal mediocre life there,,plus ppl there look down upon u bcoz of you being paki,,u have no respect in there society...so in prevailing conditions a large number of medical and engineering students are running 4 css bcause in it you have respect and if u talk of privileges n perks no private sector in pakistan can compare to it..u get house, car , guard, cook so on and same is in army....now focus is so much diverting towards army ,css ,judiciary...private sector has totaly been ruined ..

true for CSS but not so much for army,............... my neighbour a COLONEL and CO of a unit/.............they have just 1 batman and i have never seen an officical vehicle there.........when i compare it to the DPO of aur district (having same scale of colonel) , i cant close my eyes.,,, 6 canal house, 2 squads in protocol always, 2 mobiles always standing in front of his house 24/7 etc etc etc etc...............i think that colonel would have protocol in unit only........correct me if i am wrong on this post.
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You are mixing Money with Power.
If you need money and luxuries , then ofcourse CSS is not your option.
Regardless of how much money a business executive or Engineer earn in a month, its not more then the power of a CSP officer. An MBA or an Engineer will still dependent on SP for his several works.
Political influence in bureaucracy is the problem of whole world, its not only in Pakistan. But keep in mind, politicians also depend on bureaucracy for their needs.
A finance minister do not make the budget, its "THE BUREAUCRATS" in Ministry of Finance who make the budget.
read my previous posts again. I agree that in terms of influence the civil service is a step ahead. I never disagreed with this. But money can also buy power in some cases. I will repeat again that I myself encourage peiple do css. But it is important to inform them beforehand what they are getting into.
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Once you enter into Service such discussion will be quite childlike for you. No doubt vehicle is allotted to ASP/Officers but its subject to the availability of the vehicle and its condition. REMEMBER in every department there is an inner circle who always enjoys good postings, foreign trainings, exposure etc. Similarly, the same circle gets new vehicles when they are purchased and in each year there is budget allocated for procurement of vehicles etc.
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