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Ask yourself the question; why does the US need F-35 when they had F-22? Isn't that superior? Why is it that even after the development of F-35, majority of their air force will still be using F-16s? Answer: Money, tactics & strategy. Read this, its very important: F-22, F-35 & the Hi-Lo Mix Why we looked into Su-35? Because: 1. We need a plane which can not only counter but dominate rafale when it arrives in India. A true air superiority fighter, better than F-16 block 52 because rafale is. Its very very good, 2nd only to F-22 even, as some would argue. 2. To protect CPEC sea lines a plane with longer endurance than JF-17 & F-16 is required. It doesn't have to be twin engined but needs longer endurance and heavy payload capability which the current JF-17 engine cannot handle. Quote:
However, that doesn't meant that we wouldn't try to reduce its RCS as much as we can through the use of RAM coating and things like DSI intake etc. The lower your RCS is, the better. Quote:
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Su30MKI is not Indian technology. They are just assembling it in India with parts provided by Russia. They cannot export it because its not their product to sell, its Russia's. And Russia has sold Su30s to multiple countries like Indonesia and China for example. Quote:
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1st russia denied to give su 35 2 u say jf is not air superiority fighter it is multirole no thrust vectoring not much fuel capacity 3 why cant we make or convert it into multirole air superiorty fighter like su 30mki 4 would we look for fighter like su 35 if cpec coast lines in danger again there is no time to look here and there even iran itself making its own fgfa u should admit that jf 17 should be somewhere lacking thats why we were looking for su 35..if early we could develop it into a perfect air superiorty multirole fighter we should work on it now..WHO SAID WE ARENOT BUYING J10 I HADNOT SEEN IT ANYWHERE and last which idiot said that spending money on aircraft carrier is wastage of money...as a layman i know it would reduce fuel comsumption..carrying arming and recovering the aircraft millions and billions for corrupt bureaucrats and politicians not for a carrier...there shouldnt be any compromise over defense.. As it is a wall of country
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And u said that why america need f35 because they are looking to replace aging fleet of f 16 f18 f 15 old versions ...and yes I accept my mistake of calling j 17 is an inferior fighter BUT it is not a perfect fighter as it should be..I presented my opinion u agree or not I don't care .I dream to see this powerful undaunted and. undisputed country from Jammu and Kashmir to Karachi and from baltistan to Baluchistan....even dream of complete country with powerful Islamic airforce army and navy delight me lot..
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Dude first of all, you need to learn to make paragraphs because its very hard and annoying to read a wall of text.
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And only Russia and US has thrust vectoring technology. Do you know how much money it costs to build a technology from scratch? F-35 development cost was $60 billion for the US which already had almost all of the industrial base for development. Imagine what it would cost us to try to develop something similar. Besides, thrust vectoring isn't even that important. These days you have HMDs with 5th generation high off-boresight capable WVR missiles to take care of super maneuverable aircraft. And that JF-17 is going to get in block 3. India doesn't have any. Even F-22 doesn't have that. End of story. HMD systems, combined with High Off-Boresight (HOBS) weapons, results in the ability for aircrew to attack and destroy nearly any target seen by the pilot. These systems allow targets to be designated with minimal aircraft maneuvering, minimizing the time spent in the threat environment, and allowing greater lethality, survivability, and pilot situational awareness. Read further, its important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet-mounted_display Quote:
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2nd, Iran isn't making sh*t. All they have are old F-4 copies with the most obsolete design and avionics ever. Forget air superiority, if they make something air worthy that would be a surprise. Bluffing is the name of their game. 3rd, did you even read the link that I posted? There's no point to this discussion if you're not reading. Hi Lo Mix and why its important, read: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0216.shtml JF-17 has its own role, and its the bl**dy best in it. F-16 block 52 has its own role and its great at it. But rafale is coming to town and it needs to be countered by a better air superiority fighter. That's why we considered Su-35. It didn't pan out but rafale isn't coming for a few more years so we'll wait for TXF or F31 now, most probably. Quote:
Hint: It never will. JF-17 took care of that. It doesn't suite our requirements anymore. It cannot dominate rafale or give the same level of protection to CPEC that Su-35 could due to its longer range and payload. We have limited amount of money so we're going to wait for F31 or TXF for that. Quote:
Where is that going to come from? Your pocket? A Nimitz class carrier costs about $5 billion to build. Imagine what its development cost would be. F-35C costs $337 million per unit and its development cost was $60 billion. Do that math yourself for an aircraft carrier whose unit cost is $5 billion. And I'm not mentioning servicing and operational costs yet even though they are more than the building cost over the years. Just for your info, Pakistan entire budget's revenue in 2011 was $26.7 Billion. 2nd, we don't need it. What are we going to do with? As I said, what we need are SSNs for 2nd strike capability. Money is going into that because its required. |
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And if you had bothered to read what I had posted then you would have known that I asked you the question as to why even the US is not going to replace all its F-16s, F-15s and F-18s with F-35s. The answer to that is because its too expensive even for the US to do that. F-16s & F-15s etc are going to continue to be the backbone of USAF for the foreseeable future and you expect Pakistan to somehow produce some magical perfect 5th generation aircraft which will replace all older aircrafts? https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...rcraft-390668/ http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...ment/72316414/ http://aviationweek.com/defense/usaf...makeover-f-15s 3rd, there is no such thing as a perfect fighter. Even the F-22 has been shot down many times in exercises by Typhons, Growlers, Rafales and even F-16s etc. http://www.realcleardefense.com/arti...22_107455.html http://theaviationist.com/2013/06/19...own-by-rafale/ http://www.wired.com/2012/07/f-22-germans/ |
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Check out on internet photos of j 10,in Pakistan flag then talk shame for j17 and makers of it...f 35 will replace aging fleet of f16 f18 and f15 check stats of f 35 on wiki...don't place j 17 on moon keep it in sky..HAD J 17 DEVELOPED INTO BETTER AIRCRAFT..THERE WAS NO NEED TO SEE FOR SU 35 OR J 10 NO NEED FOR THAT...BUT EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY THINKS HE IS RIGHT..THATS WHY ARGUEMENT BECAME TUSSELE .AS YOU ARE PRESENTING GOOD FOR NOTHING REASON..YES FOR THE SAKE OF COUNTRY I WOULD LOVE TO SPEND EVEN FROM MY POCKET...IF SOMEWHERE I WOULD BE ABLE TO...I WOULD AGAIN SAY I PRESENTED NOT BETTER BUT BEST.I HAD RIGHT TO PRESENT MY OPINION..I LOVE TO WORK FOR COUNTRY NOT FOR THE PEOPLE OF COUNTRY ..
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Qaheer f 313 is an iranian FGFA PROJECT STARTED IN 2013 2 Check out on internet photos of j 10,in Pakistan flag then talk shame for j17 and makers of it...f 35 will replace aging fleet of f16 f18 and f15 check stats of f 35 on wiki...don't place j 17 on moon keep it in sky..HAD J 17 DEVELOPED INTO BETTER AIRCRAFT..THERE WAS NO NEED TO SEE FOR SU 35 OR J 10 NO NEED FOR THAT IF OUR DEFENCE BUDGET DOESNT ALLOW US .....SUPPOSE IF THERE ARE SURGICAL STRIKES OR ENEMYS FIGHTER TO DAMAGE NATIONAL ASSET LIKE CPEC WOULD WE LOOKING HERE AND THERE WOULD J 17 COUNTER SU 30 OR DEASSULT RAFAEL ..WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF J 17 IF THERE IS ANY MULTIROLE AIRSUPERIORTY FIGHTER IN OUR HANGER BUT EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY THINKS HE IS RIGHT..THATS WHY ARGUEMENT BECAME TUSSELE .AS YOU ARE PRESENTING GOOD FOR NOTHING REASON..YES FOR THE SAKE OF COUNTRY I WOULD LOVE TO SPEND EVEN FROM MY POCKET...IF SOMEWHERE I WOULD BE ABLE TO...I WOULD AGAIN SAY I PRESENTED NOT BETTER BUT BEST.I HAD RIGHT TO PRESENT MY OPINION..I LOVE TO WORK FOR COUNTRY NOT FOR THE PEOPLE OF COUNTRY ..
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BTW, all J-10 pics with Pakistan flag are photoshopped and Qaher 313 is nothing but a cardboard model plane. Iran unveils new indigenous stealth fighter “Qaher 313”. And here’s a detailed analysis. Here’s why Iran’s new stealth fighter jet can’t fly Iran’s Faux Stealth Fighter Makes Embarrassing Second Appearance Any more reply's here would be a waste of my time. I've set the record straight for any rational person to see. Adiós |
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And technology is changing day by day.and so as strategies so as stats will and ur stats would too. But there is a need to adjust according to defence and strategic standards innovately
I disapprove what u say but i will defend till death ur right to say. Cheers friend |
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