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MisbahMalik Saturday, November 17, 2012 04:10 PM

[QUOTE=zuhaib ahmed;512948][COLOR="SeaGreen"]
The Quaid-e-azam, our great leader, always emphasized on hard work in life. One of his famous sayings, “work, work and more work”. His own life [B][U]is[/U][/B] an example of his saying. This was the reason he attained his major aim in the form of our beloved motherland, Pakistan. [/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]It is all about Quaid's past. So, it was better to give was instead of is. Was looks correct to me. You can ask any senior. :)) [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Yes, please. I need senior's opinion on it.

Da Skeptic Saturday, November 17, 2012 06:34 PM

[QUOTE=MisbahMalik;512631]

Life, a strange mystery, explored by many yet understood by few is marked dreams and wishes. [B]How is it?[/B][/QUOTE]
What about "Life is a strange mystery; explored by many yet understood by few."??
[QUOTE=MisbahMalik;512631]
Secondly, semicolon is placed when there are independent clauses. Whereas, my clauses are dependent. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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The semicolon is a point in value between the colon and the comma. [B]It is used to introduce a greater break in the thought than a comma would give.[/B]
Reference: Exploring the World of English by Sayyid Saadat Ali Shah, page 498.
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[QUOTE=MisbahMalik;512631]
Two quotes are not enough? :thinking
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You didn't get me. I wanted to say that try to put quotations that are more relevant to the idea being discussed.
[QUOTE=MisbahMalik;512631]
Alright, while writing I tried to use minimum words for this example.
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Thanks.. :)
[QUOTE=MisbahMalik;512631]
our lives.
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But your sentence doesn't include these two words.
It would be more better if you write 'surround us throughout our lives.'
[QUOTE=MisbahMalik;512631]

Besides other, this was the major reason he successfully attained his aim.[/QUOTE]
Consider this 'Besides other reasons, this was the major reason behind the successful attainment of his aim.'

[QUOTE=MisbahMalik;512981]Yes, please. I need senior's opinion on it.[/QUOTE]

Both make sense. But It would be better if u use 'was' instead of 'is'..
:)

MisbahMalik Saturday, November 17, 2012 06:59 PM

[QUOTE=Da Skeptic;513020].[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your suggestions. I will consider them in my next expansions.

Da Skeptic Saturday, November 17, 2012 07:17 PM

[QUOTE=MisbahMalik;513026]Thanks for your suggestions. I will consider them in my next expansions.[/QUOTE]

You welcome.. Make a final draft of your expansion..
And by the way, don't forget to click the 'Thanks' button for anyone who blesses you with any suggestion.. ;)

SADIA SHAFIQ Sunday, November 18, 2012 04:11 PM

[B][U][I][COLOR="DarkRed"]The Nearer the Church the Farther From God (Expansion 2012)[/COLOR][SIZE="3"][/SIZE]][/I][/U][/B]

Love neither ends with distances nor with closeness .Likewise ,it is not necessary you are in love with a person to whom you are closer.In fact ,one is nearer to a person to whom one love.If heart dwells love of Allah ,then one is closer to Him, but if one worships without love then one is farther from Almighty.The relation with Allah does not develop with places like mosques ,churches ,synagogues or Khnan -e-kaba .But it can be by making heart one`s own church or mosque.This can be explained as;

[B]Nothing in you ,but me![/B]

Hazrat data Ali hajveri (R.A) has defined the degree of closeness when love of Allah overwhelms all our desires and thrusts .In this state ,He becomes heart ,ear and eye of that person.Then soul remains present with love (Allah)and body elsewhere.Hazrat Owais Qarni (R.A) lived farther from Holy prophet(P.B.U.) ,Medina but he broke his own teeth when informed about tragic incident of Ghazava -e-Ahud;in which Prophet (P.B.U.H) own teeth was broken .

This proverb is true to our lives .Two person remains strangers in a house living for years because they do not love each other .sometimes centuries `s distances take one moment of knowing; love binds them.love begets from heart then demands concrete closeness.The material things can not cause closeness but once love co-exist then All lies in heart .

dil ke ayene me he tasveer e yar
jab nazer jukhaey deikh le
([B]Heart`s mirrior reflects the beloved;
when get into it ,see ye .[/B]


This implies when we love Allah then we love His creation ;nature ,humans ,animals etc .Because Allah love his creation.It is the condition in love to love the things of His beloved .so when we love creation and all things then we are closest to Allah .Satan was the worshiper of Allah but he hated the creation of Allah;human .That`s why he was desolated from heaven and was deserted.

Da Skeptic Sunday, November 18, 2012 06:17 PM

[B]@ Sadia Shafiq[/B]
Love neither ends with distances nor with closeness [U].Likewise ,it is not necessary you are in love with a person to whom you are closer.In fact ,one is nearer to a person to whom one love.If heart dwells love of Allah[/U] ,then one is closer to Him, but if one worships without love then one is farther from [U]Almight[/U]y.The relation with Allah does not develop with places like mosques ,churches ,synagogues or Khnan -e-kaba .But it can (developed) be by making heart one`s own church or mosque.This can be explained as;

Nothing in you ,but me! (Sis, I couldn’t get it.)

Hazrat data Ali hajveri (R.A) has defined the degree of closeness (to God ; ) when love of Allah overwhelms all our desires and thrusts .In this state ,He becomes heart ,ear and eye of that person.Then soul remains present with love (Allah)and body elsewhere.Hazrat Owais Qarni (R.A) lived farther from[U] Holy prophet(P.B.U.) ,Medina[/U] (the Holy Prophet’s (PBUH) Madina) but he broke his own teeth when informed about tragic incident of Ghazava -e-Ahud;in which Prophet’s (P.B.U.H) own teeth was (were) broken .

This proverb is true to our lives .Two person(s) remains strangers in a house living for years because they do not love each other .sometimes centuries `s [U]distances take one moment of knowing[/U] (consider reconstruction of it); love binds them[U].love begets from heart then demands concrete closeness[/U] (consider revising).The material things can not cause closeness but once[U] love co-exist then All lies in heart[/U] . (consider revising it as well, sis.)

dil ke ayene me he tasveer e yar
jab nazer jukhaey deikh le
(Heart`s mirrior reflects the beloved;
when get into it ,see ye .


This implies ([U]that[/U]) when we love Allah [U]then[/U] (unnecessary..) we love His creation ;nature ,humans ,animals etc .Because Allah love his creation.It is the condition in love to love the things of His beloved (consider revising it sis).so when we love creation and all things then we are closest to Allah .Satan was the worshiper of Allah but he hated the creation of Allah;human .That`s why he was desolated from heaven and was deserted.

[B]The mistakes have been pointed out and corrections have been made, as to the best of my knowledge.
Our dear members have been reiterating to use God in place of Allah, but I again found the same use of Allah.. Kindly consider the suggestions of our respected members, lest they get annoyed. ;)
A good effort.. Try more; practice more.. [/B]

zuhaib ahmed Sunday, November 18, 2012 08:20 PM

[QUOTE=SADIA SHAFIQ;513420][B][U][I][COLOR="DarkRed"]The Nearer the Church the Farther From God (Expansion 2012)[/COLOR][SIZE="3"][/SIZE]][/I][/U][/B]

Love neither ends with distances nor with closeness .Likewise ,it is not necessary you are in love with a person to whom you are closer.In fact ,one is nearer to a person to whom one love.If heart dwells love of Allah ,then one is closer to Him, but if one worships without love then one is farther from Almighty.The relation with Allah does not develop with places like mosques ,churches ,synagogues or Khnan -e-kaba .But it can be by making heart one`s own church or mosque.This can be explained as;

[B]Nothing in you ,but me![/B]

Hazrat data Ali hajveri (R.A) has defined the degree of closeness when love of Allah overwhelms all our desires and thrusts .In this state ,He becomes heart ,ear and eye of that person.Then soul remains present with love (Allah)and body elsewhere.Hazrat Owais Qarni (R.A) lived farther from Holy prophet(P.B.U.) ,Medina but he broke his own teeth when informed about tragic incident of Ghazava -e-Ahud;in which Prophet (P.B.U.H) own teeth was broken .

This proverb is true to our lives .Two person remains strangers in a house living for years because they do not love each other .sometimes centuries `s distances take one moment of knowing; love binds them.love begets from heart then demands concrete closeness.The material things can not cause closeness but once love co-exist then All lies in heart .

dil ke ayene me he tasveer e yar
jab nazer jukhaey deikh le
([B]Heart`s mirrior reflects the beloved;
when get into it ,see ye .[/B]


This implies when we love Allah then we love His creation ;nature ,humans ,animals etc .Because Allah love his creation.It is the condition in love to love the things of His beloved .so when we love creation and all things then we are closest to Allah .Satan was the worshiper of Allah but he hated the creation of Allah;human .That`s why he was desolated from heaven and was deserted.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="SeaGreen"]Some mistakes are highlighted by Da Skeptic. Lets make your expansion better. :) [/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Love has a free will it neither looks at distances nor closeness. The relation with God does not develop with places like mosques, churches, synagogues and temples. It only develops by making heart the place of worship and love. It doesn’t mean that those who live in churches are pious; pious are those who are lovers of God.

Hazrat Awais Qarni PBUH lived very far away from Prophet Mohammad PBUH. The Prophet was in the Madina and Awais Qarni used to live in Yemen. They never met each-other but their hearts were bonded with the bondage of Love. Love didn’t look at miles between the Yemen and Madina,it came to Awais with its free will. In the same way, those who live nearer the place of worship are not pious unless they are lovers of God.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]
These are your ideas, I have jotted them down in a good manner I liked. Compare this with your first three paragraphs. What difference do you feel?
I am not a good writer but I hope it will help you.

Now, your task is to write two further paragraphs of it. Complete the expansion.

In first paragraph, you will write why people are farther from God when they worship Him all day and night. Add one quotation in it.

In 2nd paragraph, you will jot down your conclusion. Add one qoutation in it too.

Lets see how you complete it. I await it. :)[/COLOR]

Da Skeptic Monday, November 19, 2012 06:33 AM

One’s proximity and closeness to a place of worship does not mean that one is proximate to God. History concedes this paradox that those nearer the church, mosque, monastery or temple were often transgressors of religious or moral law and sinners; thus were far away from being near to God. Our common observation and experience also verify the above fact. For example, in the Middle Ages in England, the corrupt practices of the church had risen to such an unbearable level that a huge number of people rose in protest. As a result of the protests, a new sect of Protestantism had emerged, whose followers fettered and checked the evil deeds of those who claimed closeness to God on account of their closeness to church.

If God had been the resident of the church or the mosque or any other place of worship, the people nearer to those places would have been, undoubtedly, nearer to God; but it is not so. In fact, to know God, one needs to explore one’s ‘self’ and to get near and dear to God, one requires loving and serving the fellow creations. As Hazrat Ali (a.s) says, “He, who recognized himself, recognized God”.

Hence we see that nearness to a place of worship does not mean nearness to God; rather ironically, it is the other way round. To be able to recognize God, one has to ransack one’s inner world i.e. one’s soul or ‘self’. As Bullah Shah says, “If you need to meet God, open the window of your heart.”

(Word Count: 257)

zuhaib ahmed Monday, November 19, 2012 02:55 PM

[QUOTE=Da Skeptic;513712]One’s proximity and closeness to a place of worship [COLOR="DarkRed"]does not[/COLOR] mean that one is proximate to God. History concedes this paradox that those [COLOR="darkred"](who were)[/COLOR] nearer the church, mosque, monastery or temple were often transgressors of religious or moral law and sinners; thus were far away from being near to God. Our common observation and experience also verify the above fact. For example, in the Middle Ages in England, the corrupt practices of the church had risen to such an unbearable level that a huge number of people rose in protest. As a result of the protests, a new sect of Protestantism had emerged, whose followers fettered and checked the evil deeds of those who claimed closeness to God on account of their closeness to church.

If God had been the resident of the church or the mosque or any other place of worship, the people nearer to those places would have been, undoubtedly, nearer to God; but it is not so. In fact, to know God, one needs to explore one’s ‘self’ and to get near and dear to God, one requires loving and serving the fellow creations. As Hazrat Ali (a.s) says, “He, who recognized himself, recognized God”.

Hence we see that nearness to a place of worship does not mean nearness to God; rather ironically, it is the other way round. To be able to recognize God, one has to ransack one’s inner world i.e. one’s soul or ‘self’. As Bullah Shah says, “If you need to meet God, open the window of your heart.”

(Word Count: 257)[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="darkred"][I]
Quite well. You have well united your ideas. You have a good writing style. Keep it up. Stay Blessed. :) [/I][/COLOR]

Da Skeptic Monday, November 19, 2012 03:03 PM

[QUOTE=zuhaib ahmed;512961][COLOR=DarkRed]Yes, do write again. :) I am also improving my expressions and grammar. You can take idea from the very expansion of mine. [/COLOR]

[B][COLOR=SeaGreen]The Nearer the Church the Farther From God (Expansion 2012)[/COLOR][/B]

[COLOR=DarkRed]Hundreds years of worship are useless without true love. Those who live days and nights in churches, and world dwells in their hearts; God is very far away from them. The only bond which makes bondage between God and Man of God is love. Worship goes futile without love. Those who live in churches, temples and mosques, and love for God is not in their hearts, God is farther from them.

When there was no time, cause, season, theory and reason, there was an existence of love. This entire cosmos is created for love. God is lover, and He loves the lovers not worshipers. The Satan is known as the greatest worshiper of God but God is farther from him. Satan is worshiper not lover. Moulana Jalal Din Rumi says, “Without love, all worship is a burden.” Indeed, those who live in the place of worship, they are not the pious, unless they are lovers of God.


This is not just for Christians but for all. The Nearer the Temple The Farther From Buddha or the Nearer the Mosque The Farther From Allah. The prophet Mohammad PBUH says, “"Worship your Lord as if you see him during worship, and if you cannot do that, then worship as if He sees you " In both conditions, the world doesn't come in one's mind. If one cannot take one condition, then, it is like The Nearer the Church the Farther From God.


All the mystics, Sufi and pious people of the world have given value to love. They believe if God is not present in one's heart, and one prays days and nights; one is an infidel. As Maruf Kerkhi PBUH says, “If you pray and World comes in your mind, then, you prostrate to world.”[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Very Good.. :)
But one thing I would like to mention here..
You have written more upon the implication of the proverb, than on the explanation of it. Love, which you have dealt in detail, is an implication of this proverb..
Overall, Thumbs up.. :)

[QUOTE=zuhaib ahmed;513889][COLOR=darkred][I]
Quite well. You have well united your ideas. You have a good writing style. Keep it up. Stay Blessed. :) [/I][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

The first mistake is a result of carelessness.. ;) I shall be more careful for the next time..
The second one: It is alright without the addition of 'who were'.. The sentence is correct.. ;) :)


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