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Yeah, i really have nothing more to say. I stand humbled before your grammatical prowess; the excalibur that shall lead you through the dark and torrid path of the esteemed CSS exam. All hail mighty king bhatti, thy subjects kneel before you.
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They decided to start on their journey.
He declined the invitation.
The jury was unanimous in its verdict.
Who was she talking to?
The population of Karachi is greater than that of any other town in Pakistan.
I don't know the reason why he dislikes me.
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I'd like to make 1 correction. It'll be 'To whom was she talking?' Who can't be used in a sentence when we are talking about the object and not the subject. A simple rule to remember is to guess the answer to the question. In this case we'd reply with him, her. Hence, we'd use whom. If the answer would've been he,she then we'd have used who.

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This is not such weather which was expected.
This weather was not expected.

You need not to worry.
You need not worry

He is more better than I.
He is better than me.

Either he or his brother are at fault.
Either he or his brother are the ones at fault. (incorrect either way since he should have been substituted with a proper noun. The only way this sentence works is if it is a narration.)

Both Nazia as well as Nazish are intelligent
Nazia and Nazish are both intelligent.

I went there with a view to get first hand information.
I went there with a view to get some first-hand OR firsthand information.

Though he has enough money, but he will not purchase a house.
Even though he has enough money, he will still not purchase a house.

I don't know the reason why he dislike me.
I do not know the reason for his dislike towards me.

My friend told me that he is not to blame.
My friend told me that he is not to be blamed.

The judge disposed the case at once.
The judge disposed of the case at once.

They considered him as a great fool.
They considered him to be a great big fool. (great is incorrect since a positive cannot be used with a negative. for the grammar nazis, when great is added with big, both become adjectives.
This is not such a weather that was expected.

You do not need to worry.

He is better than I.

Either he or his brother is at fault.

Both Nazia and Nazish are intelligent.

I went there with the view to get first hand information.

Though he has enough money, yet he will not purchase a house.

I don't know the reason why he dislikes me.

My friend told me that he was not to blame.

The judge disposed off the case at once.

They considered him a great fool.

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Yeah, i really have nothing more to say. I stand humbled before your grammatical prowess; the excalibur that shall lead you through the dark and torrid path of the esteemed CSS exam. All hail mighty king bhatti, thy subjects kneel before you.

Thank you brother. I am beginner. You can notice the mistakes that I have made in sentence corrections. I am in learning phase. Thanks for your wishes. Check my posts and point out the mistakes so that we can learn from one another.

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Hey,

I'd like to make 1 correction. It'll be 'To whom was she talking?' Who can't be used in a sentence when we are talking about the object and not the subject. A simple rule to remember is to guess the answer to the question. In this case we'd reply with him, her. Hence, we'd use whom. If the answer would've been he,she then we'd have used who.

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Yeah I noticed this mistake few moments ago when I was going through my previous posts. Thanks for pointing out. I have posted other sentence corrections, please check them too. Thanks.

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He has any books.

A number of boys is absent.

We should avail of this chance.

They went to the fair and enjoyed.

The murdered was hung.

You are very kind on me.

You need not to go there.

He has visited Lahore yesterday.

If you will come to me, I will help you.

He swore of God.

He comes often late.

Do you know to cook?

He is suffering from fever for ten days.

He said that he can help me.

She was married with her cousin.

Although he is old but active.

He has many books.

A number of boys are absent.

We should avail this chance.

They went to the fair and enjoyed it.

The murderer was hanged.

You are very kind to me.

You do not need to go there.

He visited Lahore yesterday.

If you come to me, I will help you.

He swore on God.

He often comes late.

Do you know how to cook?

He has been suffering from fever for ten days.

He said that he could help me.

She was married to her cousin.

Although he is old yet active.
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This is not such a weather that was expected.

You do not need to worry.

He is better than I.

Either he or his brother is at fault.

Both Nazia and Nazish are intelligent.

I went there with the view to get first hand information.

Though he has enough money, yet he will not purchase a house.

I don't know the reason why he dislikes me.

My friend told me that he was not to blame.

The judge disposed off the case at once.

They considered him a great fool.
Hey,

For the 1st sentence that you've corrected I'd like to make a correction: This is not such weather as was expected.

After such we use as and not which. I don't know if 'that,' is correct or not but I'm assuming it's incorrect because which and that are more or less similar with some exceptions; which is used for animals and things whereas that is used to denote people and things.

As for adding the article 'a' after such, yes generally after the words such, many and quite the article 'a' is used. However, "Occasionally, in certain expressions, when the noun has a gradeable meaning, the indefinite article is dropped:
'Such lovely countryside (around here)!'
'Such awful weather (these days)!'
'We had such fun at Henry's party!'
'I don't know how you have such patience (when dealing with such awkward customers).' " [source: BBC world service Learning English] [http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/le...rnitv42.shtml].

Also, in the correction: Though he has enough money, yet he will not purchase a house. I am not sure about using 'yet.'
Quoting Exploring the world of English: "Though is a conjunction that does not require a second conjunction, 'but,' 'still,' 'yet.' But and still are positively wrong. 'Yet,' is permissible in some cases for the sake of clarity" (Shah 467).

Finally, it should be: The judge disposed of the case at once
'off,' is equivalent to turning off i.e. the opposite of on.

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This is not such weather as was expected.
Though he has enough money, he will not purchase a house.
The judge disposed of the case at once .
Thank you. It is really a great help. Now I know the things I need to work on and I will. I have posted other sentences check them in your free time. Hope it won't bother you.
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He was failed in B.A examinations.

Either he or his friends help me.

None of the two brothers are intelligent.
or
Neither of the two brothers is intelligent.

I object to his visit there.

I shall not let him go there.
or
I shall not allow him to go there.

Such careless students, who do not work hard, seldom pass.
Hey,

Shall and will are used differently according to the pronoun in question. If an intention has to be expressed in the first person (I,we) 'will' is used. Shall in the first person denotes what will take place and does not express any intention or desire. Hence, I will not let him go there/ I will not allow him to go there would be appropriate.

Alternatively, I'd have corrected this sentence in this way: I object to his going there.

For the 1st correction it should be the BA examination, the specifies the noun and as for examination being plural it doesn't sound right.

Also, I am not sure about the last correction, the one with such careless..... I haven't found an answer I'm sure of yet.

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Hey,

Shall and will are used differently according to the pronoun in question. If an intention has to be expressed in the first person (I,we) 'will' is used. Shall in the first person denotes what will take place and does not express any intention or desire. Hence, I will not let him go there/ I will not allow him to go there would be appropriate.

Alternatively, I'd have corrected this sentence in this way: I object to his going there.

For the 1st correction it should be the BA examination, the specifies the noun and as for examination being plural it doesn't sound right.

Also, I am not sure about the last correction, the one with such careless..... I haven't found an answer I'm sure of yet.

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So, for the last correction using such makes the sentence redundant since the 'who do not study hard,' explains the type of students that don't do well.
It should be: Careless students who do not work hard, seldom pass.
It could also be: Such careless students seldom pass. Though, I prefer the aforementioned correction.
Such is used to indicate the intensity/degree of the noun etc., when it's used in the beginning of a sentence. For example, such stupid people or such a beautiful day. Using such and repeating who they are is akin to saying in urdu: aise nikame bachey jo mehnat nahi karte mushkilon say pas hote hain. It sounds weird, since you 've mentioned nikame bachey which means they don't work hard. I suppose when speaking some of us do say such statements, but my instincts tell me this might be incorrect in formal grammar.

Lastly, why do we add the comma. There's a rule in punctuation that in sentences which omit a word especially a verb require the comma (Exploring the world of English 495).For example: this is good, that better.

If I am wrong please don't hesitate to point this out.

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So, for the last correction using such makes the sentence redundant since the 'who do not study hard,' explains the type of students that don't do well.
It should be: Careless students who do not work hard, seldom pass.
It could also be: Such careless students seldom pass. Though, I prefer the aforementioned correction.
Such is used to indicate the intensity/degree of the noun etc., when it's used in the beginning of a sentence. For example, such stupid people or such a beautiful day. Using such and repeating who they are is akin to saying in urdu: aise nikame bachey jo mehnat nahi karte mushkilon say pas hote hain. It sounds weird, since you 've mentioned nikame bachey which means they don't work hard. I suppose when speaking some of us do say such statements, but my instincts tell me this might be incorrect in formal grammar.

Lastly, why do we add the comma. There's a rule in punctuation that in sentences which omit a word especially a verb require the comma (Exploring the world of English 495).For example: this is good, that better.

If I am wrong please don't hesitate to point this out.

Regards,
Hey,

Upon reflecting on it some more, I think Aamish you are correct. I think this sentence has punctuation errors only which you have identified. I am not sure..... :/ Could some one ask a grammar teacher about this sentence please, I'd be grateful.

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It should be: Careless students who do not work hard, seldom pass.
It could also be: Such careless students seldom pass.
Aaaahhhhh I wrote a detailed reply but by mistake turned off the google chrome.

Sir first of all I want to say thanks. I appreciate the way you have explained the things with examples and references. I am learning a lot from this thread. From now on you are formally my teacher.

Sir I haven't studied grammar formally. As you have pointed out the punctuation mistakes so I am going to do some punctuation exercises from different books. I am not sure about that punctuation marks but this was the way sentence made sense. As I am keen reader of fiction and I have learnt English from novels so I do not know rules of grammar.

Coming to the use of 'such' in sentence. 'Such' is used to specify or point out someone/something. For example few students are studying even during break. A teacher, pointing his finger to those students, says, "Such students always succeed in life". Here the teacher is point to a specific type of students with his finger so the use of 'such' is correct.

When the noun that we are talking about is not in front of us then we use 'such' to specify the noun. 'Such' is used to specify smaller group from larger group. We can't use adjective and adjective clause for same noun in same sentence untill we use 'such'.

Careless students seldom pass.

'Careless' is single adjective in the sentence so sentence is correct.

Students who do not work hard seldom pass.

Here 'who do not work hard' is only adjective clause so the sentence is correct.

But writing,

Careless students who do not work hard seldom pass.

is wrong.

In following sentence see how 'such' is specifying a particular sub-group.

Such careless students, who do not work hard, seldom pass.

Here 'careless students' is a larger group and 'who do not work hard' is sub-group of those careless students.

Meaning of sentence is,

Among all careless students, those who do not work hard seldom pass.
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Aaaahhhhh I wrote a detailed reply but by mistake turned off the google chrome.

Sir first of all I want to say thanks. I appreciate the way you have explained the things with examples and references. I am learning a lot from this thread. From now on you are formally my teacher.

Sir I haven't studied grammar formally. As you have pointed out the punctuation mistakes so I am going to do some punctuation exercises from different books. I am not sure about that punctuation marks but this was the way sentence made sense. As I am keen reader of fiction and I have learnt English from novels so I do not know rules of grammar.

Coming to the use of 'such' in sentence. 'Such' is used to specify or point out someone/something. For example few students are studying even during break. A teacher, pointing his finger to those students, says, "Such students always succeed in life". Here the teacher is point to a specific type of students with his finger so the use of 'such' is correct.

When the noun that we are talking about is not in front of us then we use 'such' to specify the noun. 'Such' is used to specify smaller group from larger group. We can't use adjective and adjective clause for same noun in same sentence untill we use 'such'.

Careless students seldom pass.

'Careless' is single adjective in the sentence so sentence is correct.

Students who do not work hard seldom pass.

Here 'who do not work hard' is only adjective clause so the sentence is correct.

But writing,

Careless students who do not work hard seldom pass.

is wrong.

In following sentence see how 'such' is specifying a particular sub-group.

Such careless students, who do not work hard, seldom pass.

Here 'careless students' is a larger group and 'who do not work hard' is sub-group of those careless students.

Meaning of sentence is,

Among all careless students, those who do not work hard seldom pass.
Hey,

The use of punctuation marks in the way you've suggested is correct in this case because it is a non restrictive clause which is placed in the middle of the sentence; a noun in apposition.

Basically, the way to identify such clauses is to read the sentence and to check that if you remove the clause with the extra information the sentence still makes sense. In this case, who do not work hard is the non restrictive clause which gives extra information about the students and even if we remove this clause the sentence makes sense: such careless students--------- seldom pass.

This link is really useful to understand this rule: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/edu...cipial-phrases
And, thank you for clearing my confusion with the usage of such.

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aamish and meme are doing good work here.. its really helpful.. lets do all the sentences in sequence so that we can focus on each and every sentence. i hope you will agree.

here is the first part
Climbing down the stairs, he fell head long.
??

Tell me the last news of war.
Tell me the latest news of war.

They decided for starting on their journey.
They decided to start on their journey.


He denied to accept the invitation.
He declined the invitation.

The jury were unanimous in their verdict.
The jury was unanimous in its verdict.

Whom was she talking?
Whom she was talking to?

The population of Karachi is greater than any other town in Pakistan.
The population of Karachi is greater than that of any other town of Pakistan.

I went there with a view to get first hand information.
I went there with a view to get some first hand information.

Though he has enough money, but he will not purchase a house.
Though he has enough money, yet he will not purchase a house.


I don't know the reason why he dislike me.
I don't know the reason why he dislikes me.

kindly point out the mistakes if there are any.
lets continue the chain. try to do the second part friends!
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Climbing down the stairs, he fell head long.
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Whom was she talking?
Whom she was talking to?

I went there with a view to get first hand information.
I went there with a view to get some first hand information.
Welcome in the thread sister. Here are few mistakes that I found in the sentences. Meme and Mashaal please check the corrections that I have made in following sentences. Point out the mistakes if I have made any.

1) Climbing down the stairs, he fell headlong.

I can't find any mistake in this sentence except that headlong is written as head long.

2) Whom was she talking to?

'whom she was talking to.' It is adjective clause. It is used to specify someone. For example, 'He is the person, whom she was talking to.' So it is not a question. If we write 'was she' instead of 'she was' then it will be a question.

3) I went there with the view to get some first hand information.

If we are using 'a' in the sentence then the second part of the sentence 'to get some first hand information' does not set fit in. As it is defining a particular view so we must use 'the' to specify the view.
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