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Raz Friday, March 13, 2009 01:44 PM

[QUOTE=dr.atifrana]
[B]EXAMINATION 1987
ENGLISH (Précis & Composition)[/B]
5. Complete any five of the following sentences supplying the missing word or phrase in
each: 10

b) Her father knew that she ____________________________________ [B][COLOR="Red"]disobey [/COLOR][/B]him.

Rgds[/QUOTE]

@dr.atifrana: I don't have objection if sentence allows you to use word [B]disobey[COLOR="red"]ed[/COLOR][/B]. It is very clear from the question that we can't change the form of verb [B]obey (1st form)[/B]. We are required to fill in the blank with words which best suite the verb [B]obey[/B] and structure of the sentence.


We can't convert obey into obeyed. This will be our blunder if we do so.

dr.atifrana Friday, March 13, 2009 04:12 PM

[QUOTE]b) Her father knew that she ____________________________________ disobey him.[/QUOTE]

b) Her father knew that she would not disobey him.

[QUOTE]
3. a) Use the following words in at least two senses, either as a verb or as a noun or as an adjective or as both:

Clear, Face, Energy, Value, Build.

b) Use the following idiomatic expressions in illustrative sentences:

Carry out, Taken over, Bring about, Beat out, Bear with.
[/QUOTE]

[B](a)[/B]

The sky is clear.
My answer is quite clear.

You got a beautiful face.
lets talk face to face.
he faced his difficulties gallantly.
you should face the consequences.

Wind energy is a renewable energy source.
wheat is rich in energy.

he should value my opinion.
this necklace has a great value for me.
You should not give him so much value.

Build your thought.
the artisans are building my house wall.

[B](b)[/B]

he carried out his policies in the public interest.

chairman of the senate has taken over the charg of the president as he is mentally ill.

bring about some potent changes in your writing skills.

their opponents has beaten out them.

he bore with the disaster courageously


[B]All members are requested to point out the defficiencies in my last post,so that we move forward.[/B]

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[B][U]Paper 1972[/U][/B]

[B]3. a)[/B] Distinguish between the meaning of the words in the following pairs, and use them in illustrative sentences:

Consciousness, conscientiousness
ingenious, ingenuous
fantastic, fanatical
honourable, honorary
politician, statesman.

[B]b)[/B] Use the following expressions in sentences to bring out their meanings:

To fall back on something, to fall through, on right earnest, vested interests, meaningful dialogue


rgds

Chauhdary12 Friday, March 13, 2009 08:22 PM

[quote=Last Island]Raz is right in his use of inverted commas.
See the examples.
He said, "Don't leave your car unlocked as there have been lot of stealing from cars".
"Bring me some tea."
When there is a full quote, the stop goes before the inverted commas, but when only parts of a sentence are in quotes full stop is placed after the inverted comma.[/quote]

Assalam-u-Alaikum to all,

Please go through the "The world of english language" and point only a single sentence in which full stop is used after inverted comma.
i havn't find even a single sentence in which full stop is used after inverted comma. And i found from a senior teacher that always use inverted comma at the end after the full stop or question mark. May be, i am wrong in this, so your valueable comments required...

[quote=Raz]Please rethink on
b) [B]me [/B]is not suitable here
f) [B]told[/B]
h) [B]his[/B][/quote]

Assalam-u-Alaikum

b) He said, "Bring [B]me[/B] some tea." is true but its better to write it as
[B]He said, "Shall I bring you some tea." (Note: don't use "?" at the end, if used than it will be a request/order not a offer)[/B]

f) I [B]told[/B] that I would wait if I had been you.
No we cannot use "wished", as the person is not wishing, but telling or giving his opinion.

h) He said to me, "Do not leave [B]his[/B] car unlocked as there were lot of stealing from cars."
Yes both "his' and "your" can be used here.

Now your valuable comment required brother...

[quote=dr.atifrana]
[B]4. a) Below are five sentences each containing a common grammatical error. Make the necessary corrections:[/B]
i) Where was a very different atmosphere in the town this morning than there was yesterday.
ii) Every one must decide for themselves what to do about it.
iii) I shouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t turn up tomorrow.
iv) Neither Farooq or Akbar are going to the wedding lunch on Saturday.
v) I compared his essay to Mushtaq’s and found them to be almost identical.

[/quote]

Let me try, the solution is as:
i) Where was a very different atmosphere in the town this morning than there was [B]yestermorning? [/B]
Here the comparison is between this morning and yesterday's morning. so it is wrong to campare a morning with yesterday but with [B]yesterday's morning [/B]or[B] yestermorning[/B]. And second thing it is a question so we use "?"

ii) Every one must decide for [B]himself[/B] what to do about it.

iii) I [B]shall not[/B] be surprised if he [B]does not[/B] turn up tomorrow.
doesn’t cannot be used in css papers, we should use [B]does not[/B] not[B] doesn’t[/B] . (Reference: Exploring the world of english language page number 31)

iv) Neither Farooq [B]nor[/B] Akbar [B]is[/B] going to the wedding lunch on Saturday.

v) I compared his essay to [B]Mushtaqs'[/B] and found [B]these[/B] to be almost identical.
Here is the comparison of essays not comparing essay with a person named Mushtaq. we can also write it as [B]Mushtaq's essay[/B] or [B]Mushtaqs'[/B]
and secondly [B]them[/B] cannot be used here but [B]these[/B] or [B]found both of these almost identical[/B]

Zirwaan Khan Friday, March 13, 2009 11:31 PM

@Chaudry



v) I compared his essay to Mushtaq’s and found them to be almost identical.

v.)[B]I compared his essay with that of [U]Mushtaq's[/U] and [U]found it to be [/U]almost identical.[/B]

or [B]I compared his essay to [U]Mushtaq's[/U] and [U]found it[/U] almost identical.[/B]


Correct me if i am wrong.

Raz Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:21 AM

[QUOTE=Chauhdary12]Assalam-u-Alaikum to all,

b) He said, "Bring [B]me[/B] some tea." is true but its better to write it as
[B]He said, "Shall I bring you some tea." (Note: don't use "?" at the end, if used than it will be a request/order not a offer)[/B]

i) Where was a very different atmosphere in the town this morning than there was [B]yestermorning? [/B]
Here the comparison is between this morning and yesterday's morning. so it is wrong to campare a morning with yesterday but with [B]yesterday's morning [/B]or[B] yestermorning[/B]. And second thing it is a question so we use "?"
[/QUOTE]

Brother look at the original sentence which is given in the question paper:

[B][CENTER]b) He offered to bring me some tea.[/CENTER][/B]

He is offering tea to me. He is not requesting me to serve him tea. So the chance of using "me" is out of question. If we use "me" then sense will be 100% opposite to that which the examiner has conveyed.

Now think over this: He said, "Bring [B]me[/B] some tea." (Here using [B]me [/B]is totally wrong). No body/no writer can consider it correct because what we understand from this: He is ordering/requesting me to bring him tea which is totally opposite to the original sentence in which he was asking about my desire/mood by offering/proposing me tea. If I show my willingness to take/have tea he himself will serve me tea.

I do not think it even near to reasonable solution by putting "me".


And for following sentence:

[B]i) Where was a very different atmosphere in the town this morning than there was [B]yestermorning? [/B][/B]

I doubt about your comment that it is question. We should not confuse [B]W brothers[/B] ([B]Where[/B] in this case) with only question situation. [B]W [/B]brothers and one [B]H[/B] can be used in scenarios other than questions also.

Chauhdary12 Saturday, March 14, 2009 01:19 AM

[quote=Tauqeer Kurd]@Chaudry
v) I compared his essay to Mushtaq’s and found them to be almost identical.
v.)[B]I compared his essay with that of [U]Mushtaq's[/U] and [U]found it to be [/U]almost identical.[/B]
or [B]I compared his essay to [U]Mushtaq's[/U] and [U]found it[/U] almost identical.[/B]
Correct me if i am wrong.[/quote]

Assalam-u-Alaikum
You cannot write only [B]Mushtaq's[/B], because there should be something after Mushtaq's. e.g., Mushtaq's essay. But when you put comma after Mushtaqs like [B]Mushtaqs' , [/B]than no need to mention essay after Mushtaqs' because only [B]Mushtaqs'[/B] is enough.
And them or it cannot be used here, i[B]t[/B] is used for a single thing but in this sentence we are comparing two essays than you can use [B]these.[/B]
Now the sentence goes like this
[B]I compared his essay to [U]Mushtaqs'[/U] and [U]found these to be[/U] almost identical.[/B]
OR
[B]I compared his essay to [U]Mushtaq's essay[/U] and [U]found these to be [/U]almost identical.[/B]
OR
[B]I compared his essay to [U]Mushtaq's essay[/U] and [U]found both of these[/U] almost identical.[/B]

Any comments...

Chauhdary12 Saturday, March 14, 2009 01:30 AM

[quote=Raz]Brother look at the original sentence which is given in the question paper:
[B]b) He offered to bring me some tea.[/B]

He is offering tea to me. He is not requesting me to serve him tea. So the chance of using "me" is out of question. If we use "me" then sense will be 100% opposite to that which the examiner has conveyed.
And for following sentence:
[B]i) Where was a very different atmosphere in the town this morning than there was [B]yestermorning? [/B][/B]
I doubt about your comment that it is question. We should not confuse [B]W brothers[/B] ([B]Where[/B] in this case) with only question situation. [B]W [/B]brothers and one [B]H[/B] can be used in scenarios other than questions also.[/quote]

Ok Brother i think [B]He said, "Shall I bring you some tea." [/B]is right.

And in sentence
[B]i) Where was a very different atmosphere in the town this morning than there was yestermorning? [/B]
In question paper Where is used than it is must to have a "?" at the end, if not than we can replace "where" with "there" and hence no need of "?" and sentence goes like this
[B]i) There was a very different atmosphere in the town this morning than there was yestermorning.[/B]

dr.atifrana Saturday, March 14, 2009 08:04 AM

:onesec can it not be like this.

[B]He said,"do you like some tea"[/B]

Raz Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:55 PM

[QUOTE=dr.atifrana]:onesec can it not be like this.

[B]He said,"do you like some tea"[/B][/QUOTE]


See Dear Atif: If the solution which you have supplied is correct then there is possibility of one thing i.e. if I like tea he may order his peon/request his relatives etc. to serve me tea. But the question in the exam serves two purposes. 1) My desire to have tea 2) and if I desire to have tea then he himself will bring tea /serve me tea.


So your sentence talks of only one thing which is narrated in number one. I think this solution will be deficient.

We need to solve in a way in which both the purposes are covered.

dr.atifrana Saturday, March 14, 2009 01:49 PM

@Raz

Your explanation seems to me insufficient to support your ideas.
I disagree with you.


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