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Express yourself in simple words in the precis paper and inshallah u will rock in the exam. Also, avoid stuff that is not suggested by the author in passage summarization(precis).
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'u have 56 marks' is a very subjective term. it does not define which question gave u how many marks! maybe examiner was very lenient with u, (2010 english precis and composition has escaped the "ragra-fying", but next time this may be the victim. u never know!).
I would still state that replacing the "Core word" of precis with its synonym is fatal!
I feel it necessary to share with you people what I believe is inevitable in making a precis of any passage. Before that, I disagree with the view that 'jealousy' and envy are synonyms. These are two different words inasmuch as two varying feelings. It can be simplified in terms of Urdu. Envy stands for " Rishk karna " , while Jealousy means "Hasad karna". I hope the difference is clear now.

Now coming to the argument whether synonyms must be employed at all or not. The simplest answer is YES. It is however, not as easy as it seems in saying Yes to it. Sometimes it is very puzzling to replace a word with appropriate synonym. Take for instance, the example of Envy and jealousy case.

Lastly, the idea of not replacing the 'core word' is right to some extent. I would add to it that instead of core word, 'core idea' or what is called 'central idea' of the precis must NEVER be obliterated. That's the soul of precis making and the simplest rule is that NEVER add any idea or information which was not provided in the original passage.
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pl analyse . i am posting 2010.kindly analyse Envy is a lose-lose situation as the person harbouring the intention of harming others or exercising whimsical control on external world,in the process himself becomes unhappy.FURthermore if this negativistic trait becomes the dominant feature of ones personality,it saps all the tremendous potentialities and renders even the rare skills possessed by the envious person dysfunctional.However humans are also blessed with a countervailing force against this infliction in form of appreciation of good things and people in life.This positivistic trait in turn leads to happiness,though this appraoch is not without its apparent caveats.For one,envy for large part ,in itself prevents attaing happiness.For another absence of happiness is regarded as the causal agent for envy by the envious person.Nothwithstanding these Logical queries ,realizing the causality.behind a disease , is a major leapforward in treating it.TITLE DECONSTRUCTING ENVY
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nobody looks sincere here. The thread has been started but nobody is giving heed towards beginners grooming.
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Precise Rules For Precis

1. Read the given passage, as much as times u like, and try to get the main idea of it.
2. Along with main idea also search out the supporting ideas.
3. Jot down main points on rough page.
4. Example or any explanatory statement cant be mentioned in precis.
5. Example is only use in precis,Obviously in condense form, when it is giving any new idea.
6. After extracting the main idea from the given passage,connect these points in logical manner
.... Dont use the wording of original passage except names.
.... Use easy language to express yourself in the condense passage.
.... Dont add or subtract any crucial point or idea. Dont give any suggestion.
.... Avoid the use of I, WE, US, MY MINE, YOUR, YOU ETC.
9. Now compare Your condense passage with that of original one (are both passages equating each other, if yes, than your precis is okay).

HOW TO GIVE TITLE?
1. The clue for title may be present in first or last sentence of Original passage, otherwise try to find it in the middle of the passage. But most of the time first and last sentence help in this regard.
2. The title should be objective and short.
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I feel it necessary to share with you people what I believe is inevitable in making a precis of any passage. Before that, I disagree with the view that 'jealousy' and envy are synonyms. These are two different words inasmuch as two varying feelings. It can be simplified in terms of Urdu. Envy stands for " Rishk karna " , while Jealousy means "Hasad karna". I hope the difference is clear now.

Now coming to the argument whether synonyms must be employed at all or not. The simplest answer is YES. It is however, not as easy as it seems in saying Yes to it. Sometimes it is very puzzling to replace a word with appropriate synonym. Take for instance, the example of Envy and jealousy case.

Lastly, the idea of not replacing the 'core word' is right to some extent. I would add to it that instead of core word, 'core idea' or what is called 'central idea' of the precis must NEVER be obliterated. That's the soul of precis making and the simplest rule is that NEVER add any idea or information which was not provided in the original passage.
I know the difference between envy and jealousy but the point is in this piece of narration it is not in the same meaning we know. here the writer has used it in jealousy's context. otherwise, being envious has nothing wrong in it!
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I know the difference between envy and jealousy but the point is in this piece of narration it is not in the same meaning we know. here the writer has used it in jealousy's context. otherwise, being envious has nothing wrong in it!
If the writer wanted to employ the meaning of 'Jealousy' in it, I think he had at his discretion to do so. We are suppose to work with what we have been provided rather looking for what could have been provided. In my post above, I have mentioned the strict rules which must be taken care of in making a precis of any given passage.

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pl analyse . i am posting 2010.kindly analyse Envy is a lose-lose situation as the person harbouring the intention of harming others or exercising whimsical control on external world,in the process himself becomes unhappy.FURthermore if this negativistic trait becomes the dominant feature of ones personality,it saps all the tremendous potentialities and renders even the rare skills possessed by the envious person dysfunctional.However humans are also blessed with a countervailing force against this infliction in form of appreciation of good things and people in life.This positivistic trait in turn leads to happiness,though this appraoch is not without its apparent caveats.For one,envy for large part ,in itself prevents attaing happiness.For another absence of happiness is regarded as the causal agent for envy by the envious person.Nothwithstanding these Logical queries ,realizing the causality.behind a disease , is a major leapforward in treating it.TITLE DECONSTRUCTING ENVY
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If the writer wanted to employ the meaning of 'Jealousy' in it, I think he had at his discretion to do so. We are suppose to work with what we have been provided rather looking for what could have been provided. In my post above, I have mentioned the strict rules which must be taken care of in making a precis of any given passage.

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That is what i am saying that we should stick to what is provided to us in the prose, not our own discretion.Thank u anyways
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pl analyse . i am posting 2010.kindly analyse Envy is a lose-lose situation as the person harbouring the intention of harming others or exercising whimsical control on external world,in the process himself becomes unhappy. FURthermore if this negativistic trait becomes the dominant feature of ones personality,it saps all the tremendous potentialities and renders even the rare skills possessed by the envious person dysfunctional.However humans are also blessed with a countervailing force against this infliction in form of appreciation of good things and people in life.This positivistic trait in turn leads to happiness,though this appraoch is not without its apparent caveats.For one,envy for large part ,in itself prevents attaing happiness.For another absence of happiness is regarded as the causal agent for envy by the envious person.Nothwithstanding these Logical queries ,realizing the causality.behind a disease , is a major leapforward in treating it.TITLE DECONSTRUCTING ENVY

Dear Imran,

At the outset, I urge you to please grasp my words rationally rather than emotionally.

I believe you have understood the thought hidden in the original passage. However, in reproducing it in your own words, you have deviated from the the central theme and inserted your own remarks. Let me tell you simplistically.

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...exercising whimsical control on external world
The original passage contains no such idea.

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...if this negativistic trait becomes the dominant feature of ones personality
The original passage does not suppose envy to be a dominant feature. This is primarily your own speculation which is not found in the original passage.


There are some syntax and vocabulary discrepancies as well.


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FURthermore if this negativistic trait becomes the dominant feature of ones personality, it saps all the tremendous potentialities
'If' refers to some condition/prerequisite and it must be followed by futuristic word e.g 'may', will, would, shall, should, etc.

The correct sentence should be:

if this negativistic trait becomes the dominant feature of ones personality, it may/will/would sap all the tremendous potentialities


Lastly, the 'Economy of Words'. You precis should not exceed +-5 words 1/3 the length of the original passage. I think your precis exceeds the limit.


Brother, I have highlighted the shortcomings I found. I would suggest you to reread the precis you have written and simply try again.


I would be glad if my findings were rectified by any other senior member.
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ASA i really appreciate ur guidence.I think that one can get a fair idea of where one is placed through this exercise.Inshallah i will rewrite this precis shortly
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