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Tuesday, February 21, 2012
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 Originally Posted by chemguy @Da Skeptic Here's you answer: (Which I gave in my first post, but in my ignorance I had not read your question to shape it into an answer) Temperature IS related to heat, here's why: Take a sea and put in it a thermometer. The temperature reading will be close to atmospheric temperature. Right? Now you take a cup of tea, and put in it a thermometer. The temperature will be higher. Your argument is that the heat in sea is higher compared with the heat in tea. But this is not true. Let me explain. When we measure heat, we don't measure the energy in the body, we measure the energy that moves. So, if you put the thermometer in sea, the energy that moves from water to mercury (Which then increases K.E. of mercury molecules causing them to rise) is heat. This is very small. If a large amount of heat had transferred in case of sea then we would have seen mercury rise even higher. So in fact the heat is GREATER in case of tea than sea.
My dear, Heat is not measured by a thermometer.. thermometer is used to measure temperature; the average K.E.. a thermometer cannot measure the total K.E..
And my dear, you said that when me measure heat, we donot measure the energy in the body, we measure the energy that moves..
Tell me, jo energy transfer hoti he ose kiya kehte hain??? K.E na? aur me b yahi keh raha hun k Heat is the total Kinetic Energy..
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#22
Tuesday, February 21, 2012
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 Originally Posted by Da Skeptic Here is the reference.. making sense of secondary science research into children's ideas (1994). By Rosalind driver, ann squires, peter rushworth, valerie wood-robinson. Chapter name, Heat, published by Routledge.. And every where, u have been giving ur own "intellectual analysis and interpretation", not references..
It's not that. You're again misquoting me here. Like always when it is needed, I have provided the references above of all what I have claimed in my posts under this thread. You've either not read the details of heat and temperature on the given links ( as references ) or you've not still understood the points that I'm trying to make. I encourage you to read those in detail.
Well, I'm neither an intellectual anyway, and when it comes to science I'm nor a scientist. I can put forward my analysis on topics of current affairs through my intellect, common sense, and logic etc, but not science, because science is a completely different and technical subject- it is based on experimentation and observation. And like every good learner I still think I'm a novice in it. Therefore I have provided you the authenticated references. I haven't claimed any definition to be my own creation. Correct yourself or adhere to those wrong definitions. It's your headache now.
Talking about your reference... Bro provide the right link to prove what you claim. I've googled that book you have mentioned but I couldn't find a complete copy to download. However, I stumbled across the book review. It included its contents with a topic named HEATING, not Heat. I didn't find any definitions there. Get the links below.
Making sense of secondary science: research into children's ideas - Rosalind Driver - Google Books
Research into children's ideas - Rosalind Driver, Ann Squires - Google Books

And I cannot reject the definitions that I have studied in textbooks and on internet as discussed in my posts above until a complete, correct and authentic source is provided.

But one thing that I realize now is that it's not your fault to confuse the concept of heat and temperature . What leads you to define heat as the total kinetic energy of a substance is perhaps a related and potentially confusing term thermal energy which is sometimes referred to as heat. Thermal energy is defined as the total kinetic energy of a substance or the energy of a body that increases with its temperature. I read it on the following link.
Thermal Energy is Total Kinetic Energy by Ron Kurtus - Succeed in Understanding Physics: School for Champions

That might help...

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#23
Thursday, February 23, 2012
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My Dear, the last link that you blessed me with, says that Heat and Thermal Energy are nearly the same..

The amount of heat or thermal energy transferred from one object to another can be measured in joules, which is the unit of energy. But more often, you see heat measured in calories.

Heat is the amount of thermal energy that is transferred between the two objects due to a temperature difference.

I accept that Heat is the amount of thermal energy that is transferred between the two objects due to a temperature difference..
You are right in correcting me.. I thank you for this..
Listen Brother, I argue intentionally, in order to extract most from others.. Thats why my profile name is Skeptic.. Hope you Didn't mind it..
Regards..
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Friday, February 24, 2012
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Heat is form of energy
and temperature is the degree of coldness and hotness
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Monday, March 26, 2012
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 Originally Posted by Da Skeptic My Dear, the last link that you blessed me with, says that Heat and Thermal Energy are nearly the same.. The amount of heat or thermal energy transferred from one object to another can be measured in joules, which is the unit of energy. But more often, you see heat measured in calories. Heat is the amount of thermal energy that is transferred between the two objects due to a temperature difference. I accept that Heat is the amount of thermal energy that is transferred between the two objects due to a temperature difference.. You are right in correcting me.. I thank you for this.. Listen Brother, I argue intentionally, in order to extract most from others.. Thats why my profile name is Skeptic.. Hope you Didn't mind it.. Regards..
No I don't mind. That's good that you have corrected yourself. Those who do not change their opinions and adhere to false information, never learn.
ALL THE BEST

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#26
Monday, March 26, 2012
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Difference between temperature and heat

Temperature:

The degree of hotness or coldness of a body, substance or medium

It is related to average kinetic energy of atoms/molecules of that body/substance/medium.

Heat:

The energy tranferred as a result of difference of temperature.

It is related to random kinetic energy of atoms/molecules in a substance/body.

This is the basic difference between the both terms. Hope the above simple definitions would open the 'knot'.
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