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I am opting it in English. I have always studied Islamiat in Urdu but lately I have been doing everything in English. Going back to urdu just doesn't seem like a good option especially with a rusty urdu writing and speed. Nothing against Urdu; I studied in Urdu medium schools. It just doesn't seem that feasible to me. That's all.

Books:

-Introduction of Islam by Dr. Hamidullah (I have an e-book and it is not a full book. I tried to find a complete book but failed.)
-Islam the misunderstood religion by Muhammad Qutub
-Islam at the crossroads by Muhammad Asad
-Islam and the Economic Challenge by Umer Chapra (skimmed through it but it is a very technical book, at least for a layman like me)
-The Islamic Law & Constitution by Mawdudi
-Towards Understanding Islam
-Seerat-Un-Nabi vol.2 (English)

Physical books
-Islam and Secular Mind
-Khilafat-o-malookiyat

I have placed order for Islam: its meaning and Message by Khurshid Ahmad. I hope to receive it by post this week or next.

Ok I have read Dr. Hamidulla's book, Muhammad Qutub's book and Muhammad Asad's book. I read them last yr. Rest, I have them but haven't read them (classic Pakistani student hoarding). Islam and secular mind and khilafat book, I have skimmed through but did I understand what these two are saying or doing, no.

So that's that. I intend to consult internet/cssforum and youtube for stuff.


Hi reckless, Can you please wait till we reach that section, please.


I am a methodical person so I like things in order. Can we please for the sake of everything that is ordered in this world, start outline from the first point and move forward from there otherwise, we'll keep popping in questions from different parts and it will become a mess. It's of course me. If majority disagrees with me, I won't bring it up again.

And my email is given in my profile, if anyone of you wants these ebooks, shoot me an email and I'll send you these ebooks. Don't inundate this thread with requests.

It is late so will come back to it tomorrow. I have been reading Islamiat papers from past years so will post relevant section 1 questions from them. Thank you
Can u send that ebook ?

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1...3hUYUt3ZWNpOFU

I uploaded them for everyone to download here.
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1...3hUYUt3ZWNpOFU

I uploaded them for everyone to download here.
Oh and the rest of the books, I have them in paper so of course couldn't be uploaded.
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I also have some queries regarding preparation of Islamic Studies.
Since I have to prepare all on my own and haven’t registered for any academy or tutor,so I ask at this forum and have always found it useful and a blessing for any css aspirant.
1.How many ayaat and hadith should be quoted in answer to each question in exam?
2.How many ayaat should be quoted in answer in Arabic language?Is it important or meritorious to do so.
3.What should be the length of each answer?How many pages should an answer span.
4.Comparing opinions of different scholors in Islamic studies is something new which we never tried for this subject in our academic careers and checkers never expected too.The answers used to be straightforward with material which is agreed by all.Won’t comparing opinion of different scholors and comparisons make answers controversial somewhat.Given that paper checkers are traditional,is it advisable or important to do so?
Another question is also that how do people manage to read so many books while doing css.With new scheme of subjects from ce-16 and onwards,the marks of many subjects have been halved,whereas,the syllabi are more than ever.This also implies that now one has to take more number of subjects than before,with same or even increased syllabi.And the syllabus of optional subjects is huge,newspaper reading also takes much time,whereas it’s also said that reading just one newspaper ain’t enough.One has to read jwt or some ca magazine too.Also that one has to focus on memorizing for the sake of paper,just reading might not lead.Revisions alongside also might be required as there are too many subjects,syllabus and little time between consecutive ce papers.Many times material isn’t sufficient in some book for providing four pages long answer and one has to bother to do extra research.I wanted to know whether it’s advisable or okay to focus on just one or two books for preparation of each subject?
And I find the idea of studying multiple subjects everyday more comfortable.Or is studying one subject at a time,completing its preparation and then moving to the other one a better approach?
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Hi. Since you mentioned my name, I feel obligated to answer. I would, however, like to mention that these are my observations. These can be wrong so be cautious.

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1.How many ayaat and hadith should be quoted in answer to each question in exam?
Depends. There are some questions where you are asked to present suggestions or analyze different situations like, "compare western civilizations with Islamic civilization," or "How can we combat terrorism done in the name of religion?" here you don't need to showcase your knowledge of ahadees.
There are other questions that might need you to elaborate a certain aspect of religion. Such questions sometime ask you to present hadees and ayatein in the statement. There you can quote as many as you like just make sure they are relevant to the subject.

My general observation is that it is good to know as many ahadees and ayatein as you can but don't flaunt them around just for the sake of it. In my understanding these should be used to further elaborate your point. So say you are answering why Ijtihad is necessary? I would answer the question with what my understanding is regarding to its importance. When I am done elaborating that, I would present relevant hadees and relevant qissa to really drive the point home.

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2.How many ayaat should be quoted in answer in Arabic language?Is it important or meritorious to do so.
This I am afraid I do not know the answer of. May be someone else can elaborate it further. I would only say this: Arabic is not our local language. There is no penalty for not using Arabic language but it will cost you a lot should you misquote a single word. So be very very cautious.
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3.What should be the length of each answer?How many pages should an answer span.
Depends. Be brief, be to the point. I saw a post by a topper here. She said that she decided not to compromise over quality. All of her questions were more or less around 7 pages in length. So that is entirely up to you. Those who have attempted this paper can guide you better.

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4.Comparing opinions of different scholors in Islamic studies is something new which we never tried for this subject in our academic careers and checkers never expected too.The answers used to be straightforward with material which is agreed by all.Won’t comparing opinion of different scholors and comparisons make answers controversial somewhat.Given that paper checkers are traditional,is it advisable or important to do so?
Avoid controversy at all cost. I have gone through the outline of this subject just recently and trust me there are no controversial points in there. They even took out Jihad. So I am sure you won't find anything to worry about. However, and this is my observation, it leans a bit more towards sunni school of thought and this came up when I was reading about Ijtehad and Ijma. I am not shia so I don't know how further this section is from shia school of thought. I mostly read about 4 Sunni imams and their fiqas. Anyways if you want to mention how shia school of thought goes about it, I don't think there should be any penalty as long as you remain neutral i.e. not going about saying which one is preferable. I am trying to be very cautious here, I don't want to offend anyone. Other then this, I mostly found that it was more or less pretty innocuous outline. (Please this is my observation, I could be wrong).

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Another question is also that how do people manage to read so many books while doing css.With new scheme of subjects from ce-16 and onwards,the marks of many subjects have been halved,whereas,the syllabi are more than ever.This also implies that now one has to take more number of subjects than before,with same or even increased syllabi.And the syllabus of optional subjects is huge,newspaper reading also takes much time,whereas it’s also said that reading just one newspaper ain’t enough.One has to read jwt or some ca magazine too.Also that one has to focus on memorizing for the sake of paper,just reading might not lead.Revisions alongside also might be required as there are too many subjects,syllabus and little time between consecutive ce papers.Many times material isn’t sufficient in some book for providing four pages long answer and one has to bother to do extra research.I wanted to know whether it’s advisable or okay to focus on just one or two books for preparation of each subject?
And I find the idea of studying multiple subjects everyday more comfortable.Or is studying one subject at a time,completing its preparation and then moving to the other one a better approach?
Woah, you asked a lot here. I'll try to answer you.
Few months back, I was at the same position. I had no clue and I was overwhelmed. So this is what I found out. I hope it helps you too.
1: No one, really, of all my interactions here with aspirants, reads all the recommended books. In fact, most don't even care for them. You must have seen countless posts even on this forum alone that ask for book recommendations. In perfect world, everyone would read the FPSC's recommended books and attempt exam but that doesn't happen. Usually, you open the outline, take a point, search on google, read stuff out. Clear your concept about it. Then make notes in your own way. You can also buy help books from market. They usually have excerpts from recommended books. Don't trust them too much because you don't want to sound just like everyone else to examiner. So google, help book, and one or two FPSC's recommended one. This is my finding.
Syllabus is huge. I agree. But as I have been told, you are not doing Phd in that subject. So work smartly. Focus on what's important and clear concepts.
I personally write down points on a sheet so to revise later. I am more or less collecting data and reading it and understanding it. I will go back to stuff later after few months so to revise it. There is a lot frankly to read and memorise in terms of dates and names. It's overwhelming. I don't know how to deal with it either. I am just sailing through. Sorry couldn't be of any help here.
People have told me not to go too much in details. Because you don't want to be super confused in paper and you have limited time as well so I am trying to make sense of it as well.
preparation approach is up to you. I'd say go for multiple ones. I spent too much time on just one subject and I was not that happy in the end but oh well might be just me.
I hope someone who is lot more organised than me stops here to help you out. I tried. lol
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@zainab s
There were some controversial topics in CSS exam as well.
For example,pious four caliphah and their role:
Since I know that degree of respect of pious kaliph varies from sect to sect.so, might be such crankers will do some work.
(I had made exclusive discussion with shiites, christians and even with wahabis) and i came to know that there exist difference of opinion.mind it, its d.o.o. not clash of interest or interpretation, which is twisted by religous monarchs and hypocrites for their vested interests.


@bookholic
It is said that smart work and absolute relaince of ones knowledge is a key component in such a subjective type exams.
I mean take ijtehad, I believe I can justify whole question out of surah fatihah (first surah of quran) only.
That's the reason why I was saying and emphasizing again and again to put in some good and technical question.You can learn how my techniques had worked.




Related to your question To no of books!!
Dude, I already said that it doesn't matter how many books I have studied, but it does, how much I have retained out of these stuff.
Like Nathen rotschield once said:" fortune favors the most who act sharply and fastly."
And remember, strongly believe that you're warrior and whatever the condition might a head of you have; you're the best and that there is nothing superior except your strong will power.
Anyways, confusion arises out of single point, which develops in tendem with tension of wholesome gravesome.Take out a pen and write down a problem,
Brain storm your mind, see it from different angles and than jot down your ideas.
Again if it doesn't work than consult some seniors.(unfortunately, mjhe to iss forum se kuch satisfactory responses nhy Mille, yet I will try my level best):however, it is conditioned with your nice questioning and with your strong counter argumentative nature.
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Hello Ursula, I would like us to debate stuff now that I have gone through the syllabus once. It will only increase our knowledge. I will learn a lot for sure.
Now I know that you dont want to discuss rozay ki barkat type things so what is it that you want to talk about? I am all game.

I tell you what is bothering me at the moment and what I am searching on. May be it interests you enough to discuss. It is regarding the political system of Islam. How executives, shura and judiciary work compared to a democratic system like US.(I know different stuff)
I am trying to see how police would be in that. How lawyers would be etc. In other words, let's build a hypothetical islamic state. So we just have a state, and we have to build all this system. (Just like a simcity game)
What do you think?
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I almost forgot! Regarding your saying about khulfah-e-rashideen and how different sects are little biased towards them.
The thing is that they have controversies. I am not denying that. There are mainly two groups when it comes to that controversy. One group believes in following merit and experience: other believes in patrimony. Both can justify their stances and the meetings that resulted in the decisions regarding who would be next caliph are also somewhat controversial. But the thing is I don't think CSS aspirants are supposed to pass their verdicts over them. We can't, we are not that qualified and as my father says, all of them were great personalities. Prophet loved and respected them all and we should too. Whatever happened between them is not for us to take sides on. It's for them and should stay that way. End of story.
ok back to why I didn't consider them controversial. Well if you look at the outline, it does not ask you how they were selected or how they managed internal power conflicts. It simply asks that we should tell how they governed the land under them and how they managed resources. Their eras put the foundation of Islamic governance in place so it must be read and studied. That's all. See, FPSC knows the sect thing, they would never ask any controversial question. Even I doubt they would ask us to compare two khulfah-e-rashideen. seriously, they won't.
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I tell you what is bothering me at the moment and what I am searching on. May be it interests you enough to discuss. It is regarding the political system of Islam. How executives, shura and judiciary work compared to a democratic system like US.(I know different stuff)
Lol!have a correction please!!!!!
American system of election and governance is not democratic but oligarchic cum neofacist and neoliberalist conservative in origin.
Well,,
I would like to mention that council of foreign relations along with Anglo oriented Organization(didn't remember the name--tell you tomorrow)nominate American potential candidates .....from Dwight Eisenhower to Obama, each one is elected by theirs will.You can say its their council of Islamic ideology.
Now question arises, who are major stake holders?
Answer is again capital industrialist, Zionist and predominently some oligarchic families.American system of election is an insult to world liberal and social welfare states.

Refer to your question, Islamic system of governance vs modern politics.

I will come with some evidences, but let me share one quote as I did mention in my essay as well.
Slavery in the past was confined to individual human beings,,but now states are being made subservient, ---ALLAMA TALIB JOHRI
Inshallah, I will catch you up with some good evidences.
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I am trying to see how police would be in that. How lawyers would be etc. In other words, let's build a hypothetical islamic state. So we just have a state, and we have to build all this system. (Just like a simcity game)
What do you think?
Waiting!
Well no need to create any hypothetical state, when pra tical demo is madina state +Omar all farooq.
Only you need to understand its practical viability in contemporary politics.
Let's take legislation for example(an important pillar of contemporary system of politics and government)
Islam says: wassa ma rafa was wada al meezan…(surah rehman)
We raised the skies and suspended the mezan.
My hypothetical system of governance is based on sheer simple judicial proceedings.Where laws would be simple, understandable and approachable to every individual human beings.
Ironically, we live in a simulated world, where getting due rights within the complex judicial framework is an herculean task.for your information, complex laws and hogepodeged destinations likd clause I subsection blah blah are made to provide backdoor escape outs to supra rich elites.Since you did mention America.. I would recommend you Warner commission.How Oswald was made as a scapegoated lonely assessin of john f.Kennedy and how Nixon bashfully settled out Contra scandals.
Compare to Islam, when holy prophet(pbuh) said at one occasion: I won't compromise with just principles, even it goes against my daughter.(refer to a case when said bin haris used to give his undue influence of tmaimas leader as he he was accused of embezzlement)

2.we used to talk a lot in UN general assembly and in Geneva convention about the equality of all humans disregarding of ones race, religion and origin, but you know practically its not true.
Do you know American theory of exceptionalism.
Yeah, miss Clinton rhetorically used this word: 21st century will be and must be the century of American world order.Practical demo are self evident in Iraq,afghan and Libya and also drone strike as well.
Islam on the other hand gives a majestic and undeniable evidence of equality and that is HAJJ…All wearing same kind of dress, having same kind of meal, and living at non distinctive place of refuge.can you give me another paradigm????
That's the true spirit of religion that makes us united whether you're Sunni, shia or wahabbi.
Indeed, a marvelous example out of Islam.

Sorry dear time is creating hindrance to stop me over here.Anyhow, i am expecting fair enough judegements as well as counter arguments from your side.

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I almost forgot! Regarding your saying about khulfah-e-rashideen and how different sects are little biased towards them.
The thing is that they have controversies. I am not denying that. There are mainly two groups when it comes to that controversy. One group believes in following merit and experience: other believes in patrimony. Both can justify their stances and the meetings that resulted in the decisions regarding who would be next caliph are also somewhat controversial. But the thing is I don't think CSS aspirants are supposed to pass their verdicts over them. We can't, we are not that qualified and as my father says, all of them were great personalities. Prophet loved and respected them all and we should too. Whatever happened between them is not for us to take sides on. It's for them and should stay that way. End of story.
ok back to why I didn't consider them controversial. Well if you look at the outline, it does not ask you how they were selected or how they managed internal power conflicts. It simply asks that we should tell how they governed the land under them and how they managed resources. Their eras put the foundation of Islamic governance in place so it must be read and studied. That's all. See, FPSC knows the sect thing, they would never ask any controversial question. Even I doubt they would ask us to compare two khulfah-e-rashideen. seriously, they won't.
Aint not said as takin em, as wanna be a netural noob who happen to support what i learnin out wittingly.
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.mind it, its d.o.o. not clash of interest or interpretation, which is twisted by religous monarchs and hypocrites for their vested interests.
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Lolll!!! you don't know how much relgious intolerance is existing among the different sects of islam.Have you ever gone through the salafite syllabus...Even ijtehad is reddeemed controversial in different sects of Islam;however,I won't proceed my arguments further.
Lastly,
Pardon me, I am Sunni, yet we have even differences not clashes.Like, I read Mir Babar anees' marsyya and i would love to read nahijah al balagah and other shiite led books and I do respect their opinions much like four of our imams.While, my family won't.I hope you have gotten it what I mean. Ain't you not see that i shared my point of view that might have been picked up wrongly, gossh to say sorry for this
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Lol!have a correction please!!!!!
American system of election and governance is not democratic but oligarchic cum neofacist and neoliberalist conservative in origin.
Well,,
I would like to mention that council of foreign relations along with Anglo oriented Organization(didn't remember the name--tell you tomorrow)nominate American potential candidates .....from Dwight Eisenhower to Obama, each one is elected by theirs will.You can say its their council of Islamic ideology.
Now question arises, who are major stake holders?
Answer is again capital industrialist, Zionist and predominently some oligarchic families.American system of election is an insult to world liberal and social welfare states.

Refer to your question, Islamic system of governance vs modern politics.

I will come with some evidences, but let me share one quote as I did mention in my essay as well.
Slavery in the past was confined to individual human beings,,but now states are being made subservient, ---ALLAMA TALIB JOHRI
Inshallah, I will catch you up with some good evidences.

Well no need to create any hypothetical state, when pra tical demo is madina state +Omar all farooq.
Only you need to understand its practical viability in contemporary politics.
Let's take legislation for example(an important pillar of contemporary system of politics and government)
Islam says: wassa ma rafa was wada al meezan…(surah rehman)
We raised the skies and suspended the mezan.
My hypothetical system of governance is based on sheer simple judicial proceedings.Where laws would be simple, understandable and approachable to every individual human beings.
Ironically, we live in a simulated world, where getting due rights within the complex judicial framework is an herculean task.for your information, complex laws and hogepodeged destinations likd clause I subsection blah blah are made to provide backdoor escape outs to supra rich elites.Since you did mention America.. I would recommend you Warner commission.How Oswald was made as a scapegoated lonely assessin of john f.Kennedy and how Nixon bashfully settled out Contra scandals.
Compare to Islam, when holy prophet(pbuh) said at one occasion: I won't compromise with just principles, even it goes against my daughter.(refer to a case when said bin haris used to give his undue influence of tmaimas leader as he he was accused of embezzlement)

2.we used to talk a lot in UN general assembly and in Geneva convention about the equality of all humans disregarding of ones race, religion and origin, but you know practically its not true.
Do you know American theory of exceptionalism.
Yeah, miss Clinton rhetorically used this word: 21st century will be and must be the century of American world order.Practical demo are self evident in Iraq,afghan and Libya and also drone strike as well.
Islam on the other hand gives a majestic and undeniable evidence of equality and that is HAJJ…All wearing same kind of dress, having same kind of meal, and living at non distinctive place of refuge.can you give me another paradigm????
That's the true spirit of religion that makes us united whether you're Sunni, shia or wahabbi.
Indeed, a marvelous example out of Islam.

Sorry dear time is creating hindrance to stop me over here.Anyhow, i am expecting fair enough judegements as well as counter arguments from your side.


Aint not said as takin em, as wanna be a netural noob who happen to support what i learnin out wittingly.
Look what I had said:

Lolll!!! you don't know how much relgious intolerance is existing among the different sects of islam.Have you ever gone through the salafite syllabus...Even ijtehad is reddeemed controversial in different sects of Islam;however,I won't proceed my arguments further.
Lastly,
Pardon me, I am Sunni, yet we have even differences not clashes.Like, I read Mir Babar anees' marsyya and i would love to read nahijah al balagah and other shiite led books and I do respect their opinions much like four of our imams.While, my family won't.I hope you have gotten it what I mean. Ain't you not see that i shared my point of view that might have been picked up wrongly, gossh to say sorry for this
Make correction, it was a woman of a famous tribe not he himself who accused for robbery....
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