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@ all the respected ladies

I am not advocating polygamy but trying to explain the realities of life and logic behind it. For instance, if a wife is not able to conceive after several years of married life due to some biological shortcoming, the only solution for the husband is second marriage. Polygamy is not allowed for more fun but only in cases like these.
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If, lets suppose, we are going to get a question on Aasia Bibi, a convict for blasphemy then in which paper do you think we may have it? In current affairs or Islamiat? or it may become an essay this time around?
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The only seemingly valid point in favor of polygamy -- there has always been more female population as compared to that of males -- does not constitute any satisfactory explanation of polygamy as:

1- it is statistically not relevant to the scenario. Shortage of male partners would have overwhelmingly been covered even if only two wives were made legal. If Quran grants legality to having four wives, it is probably satisfying something else rather than providing solution for a social problem.

2- if shortage of partners is that much a severe issue than based upon Quranic proposal, should we make legal for females to have more than one husbands in regions where there are more males as compared to female, eg, India?

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@ Redmax

Mussaa is right. Quran never says marry only one. It's all about justice that's why Quran says that marry only one if you think you won't be able to do justice if you marry more than one wives.
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a wife is not able to conceive after several years of married life due to some biological shortcoming, the only solution for the husband is second marriage.
I was just wondering that how narrow minded a person can actually be??? anyways if we consider ur argument to be true, then biological shortcomings r not only associated with females so it means that women should marry multiple partners too??? also what abt the importance of the relationship, the love and respect, between a husband and a wife..doesn't that amount to anything?? can't it be enough?? or procreating should be the sole aim of a marriage...i am disappointed..
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Sociologist PU is not talking about that one must marry to another girl in these situations. He is just talking about one of the reasons due to which one can marry twice or even more.
If someone doesn't have multiple marriages despite the reason mentioned by Sociologist PU its his greatness.
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@ flavia
way to go girl...i agree with ur opinion wholeheartedly..

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If someone doesn't have multiple marriages despite the reason mentioned by Sociologist PU its his greatness.
greatness u say??? is it really?? a husband who chose to honor and respect his wife's wishes and remains faithful to only her is attempting some feat of greatness?? a husband who tries to honor his marital vows and accepts the will of Allah is doing so bcoz he is great??
that's shallow...
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@ Flavia

The primary purpose of Marriage is procreation. It is not arranged just to respect and love the partner as one can do it without marrying. As in the case of biological defect in male, a women can have multiple male partners as practiced in some cultures but it is not allowed in Islam. (so dont blame us for this plz)

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So what else it is if not the greatness ? A man will remain childless whole his life despite the option of second marriage.
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It is really a feat of dare to speak of such sensitive issues bearing a gender bias along with numerous entrenched societal mind sets.
How can one justify to talk about such topic in such a society wherein even his/her brought up is not purely Islamic.

It is not a denying fact that our prevalent culture is not satisfactorily in compliance with Islam.

We, being the product of this pseudo-Islamic culture, are not at all in position to debate on such issues.
Whatever is allowed in Islam or not, can not be adopted in a peacemeal manner.

Changes always comes from root level not from a branch of ripen fruit. How can we expect to comprehend the true sense of polygamy in Islam, let alone its application, in a social setup Where marriage is being too difficult than to have an illicit relation?

Women here would remain criticizing polygamy while men would keep on justifying it (be rightly or often exaggeratedly) , but unfortunately both will remain deprive the true spirit of Islam in this regard.
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anyways if we consider ur argument to be true, then biological shortcomings r not only associated with females so it means that women should marry multiple partners too??? also what abt the importance of the relationship, the love and respect, between a husband and a wife..doesn't that amount to anything?? can't it be enough?? or procreating should be the sole aim of a marriage...i am disappointed..
Agreed, deficiency can be on the part of any partner. If one's spouse is incapable of bearing / producing off-spring despite applying all the available legitimate options then the other partner has basic right to try next legitimate option i.e. 2nd marriage.

Women do have same right if they find deficiency in their male partner. They can adopt their legitimate and religious avenue by demanding separation and get engaged in 2nd marriage. Unlike male, in case of woman, getting engaged in multiple marital relations simultaneously is never allowed in our Deen. Hence female is not bound to sacrifice her right of giving birth to child, she has every right to enjoy this legal and sharai right. I have seen two cases in my usual life in which female spouse got separated from their first deficient husband due to same problem and they availed option of 2nd marriage. They are living successful life. However; those two deficient male partners are living a stressful life, they have lost their social set networking due to our immature society. They have adopted isolation and are out of the scene.

Those females who do not demand divorce despite the deficiency of their husbands are worth admiring because they have compromised a lot and waived their legitimate right just because of HUZOOR SHARMI /adaab and similar reasons. They surely have achieved better reward in the Akhrat.

So in either case divorce is not obligatory rather optional. It is their call to avail it or continue compromising. Those who stay sabreen and show compromising behavior do deserve better reward in hereafter.


Similarly, in case of deficient female counter part, male spouse has wider option and relatively easier i.e. without divorcing first wife he can engage in 2nd marriage with some basic terms and conditions as commonly understood in our religion. In this way first wife do not come under the direct criticism of society because she is not a divorcee unlike a deficient male as discussed above. Deficient woman suffers lesser stress than a deficient male because male gets widely exposed then the woman.

Unfortunately, facts remain unexposed in our immature society. Even if husband is deficient, victim of criticism is wife. Majority of couples indulge in wrong medical treatment of female counter part without focusing on the real issue which is often found in male partner. In this way problems remain un-resolved and issues remain un-identified.




Regards

Disclaimer: This was my understanding based on meager stock of mixed knowledge of society and religion.
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