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I'd like to point out that your note contains glaring inaccuracies and allegations on a Zia which you cannot substantiate. This kind of an answer which paints one personality as the ultimate evil who destroyed Pakistan is not only not true but will also not go down too well with the examiner.

Some points:

1. What's so wrong about having some madrassah degrees being equivalent to MA Islamiat or MA Arabic? After all, they study about 8 years for their madrassah courses and only madrassah courses approved by the HEC are granted equivalency certificates. Even Musharraf kept this going on during his reign.

2. Zia did apply laws from one school of thought for zakat deduction but after strong protest from the shia community in Islamabad they were exempted from the zakat deduction. This action did not have any long term effects on shia sunni relations.

3. Zia tried his best to bring about peace between Iran and Iraq during their war so that shia sunni divide can be closed. There is no evidence to suggest that he was against one particular school of thought.

4. If Hudood laws were sharply criticized by the international community then it means that they should not have been made? Pakistan is all the time sharply criticized by the same so called international community, so should Pakistan not have been made as well?

5. Why would Zia be at all nervous about the Iranian revolution? Iran was fighting a losing war with Iraq since 1979 and by the end of it 10 years later, Zia had already died.

6. How were shias empowered by the Iranian revolution? Check the state of Iranian economy and military in the Shah's era and now and do the math yourself.

7. If universities and agencies were really tasked with Islamic transformation of the society then what is wrong with that exactly? Wasn't the country made in the name of Islam? BTW, how were universities and agencies tasked for this goal. An explanation would be nice.

8. As mentioned before, Taliban emerged in the mid 90s. Zia had nothing to do with them.

9. Again, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi was formed in 1996. Zia had nothing to do with it either.

10. Zia did what he did to get support for another tenure? Seriously? Zia was a military ruler, his tenure ended the day he died. No one could have dislodged him from his position before that.

In the end, frankly, you shouldn't harbor this much hatred for a man who protected Pakistan's freedom from the clutches of communism. If he hadn't done what he did, we would have been having this conversation in Russian instead of English, FPSC would have been called Федеральная государственная служба комиссионной Пакистана and we would have been ethnically half Russian.

You have to have balance in your approach.
I don't know actually,how to develope analytical skills.I know i will have to work very hard on this.you seem senior to me but i am junior i need guidance .please do guide me how to develope writing and analytical skills n thanx for elaborating but i am still confused.
What i have understood is that taliban are production of madrassahs which were instituted in zia era whereas, lashkare jhangvi too evolved from (SSP)Sipahe sahaba pakistan.
And i thought that too that if country was made on the name of Islam then his policies were to some extent were in right direction but i am confused after reading many articles
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When I said justify and expand adequately the points you have mentioned in the write-up, I meant exactly what Xing Lee above has written. I was too lazy and perhaps too careful to type all these separately, but your inadequate substantiation of these particular points is exactly what made me say that your note merely appears to be a conglomeration of random facts/opinions, devoid of proper analysis.

As for Xing Lee's idea about balanced approach, I totally endorse that too. The reason why I didn't bring that up here is because Zia-bashing has become quite fashionable nowadays (Xing Lee would agree with me on this probably). And there are chances of you escaping examiner's wrath even if you paint him as an evil--but still, at least justify your stance and not just hurl allegations.

@Xing Lee

From what I have seen of you (rather "read of you", to be accurate) on this forum, you appear to me a very strong candidate for 2015 (I am not sure if you have taken the 2015 attempt, just judging from the presence of your comment in the 2015 expectations thread that you might have appeared). I would very much like to know (in the relevant sub-forums obviously) how your attempt went! Looking forward to it, with all my professional curiosity!
Right you are about Zia. I have done some rang main bhang dalna on a few Zia bashing parties in the past as well. Was fun.

I'll try to explain details of my 2015 attempt elsewhere. I see that you've already read my botched essay story.

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I don't know actually,how to develope analytical skills.I know i will have to work very hard on this.you seem senior to me but i am junior i need guidance .please do guide me how to develope writing and analytical skills n thanx for elaborating but i am still confused.
What i have understood is that taliban are production of madrassahs which were instituted in zia era whereas, lashkare jhangvi too evolved from (SSP)Sipahe sahaba pakistan.
And i thought that too that if country was made on the name of Islam then his policies were to some extent were in right direction but i am confused after reading many articles
Reading articles is a good thing but read articles of all kind of point of views regarding a matter. As Cogito Ergo Sum has said, Zia bashing has become a fashion. Its hard standing up for him. There is a similar case in Islamic history of this kind of state sponsored bashing spree i.e. Bashing of Hazrat Ali RA during the Ummaya khilafat, naozubillah. I'm not trying to compare Hazrat Ali with Zia but the bashing that they went through after their respective shahadats is somewhat similar in nature. Reportedly, you couldn't even take the name of Hazrat Ali in a positive manner even in a private gathering. And if someone did, people couldn't believe their ears because they were led to believe that he was the ultimate evil. Read up on it a little:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayya...of_cursing_Ali

Imam Nasai, author of one the six authentic books of hadith, was killed by a mob because he tried to explain the truth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHwcENXIuiA

Anyway, the point is that you shouldn't believe what everyone else is saying. They can be totally wrong. Do some independent research and come up with your own conclusions on any matter. Let your mind be the judge after taking in both sides the argument.

BTW, just to to get you started on the other argument regarding Zia, even a person as secular as Hussain Haqqani has dedicated a chapter to Zia in his book "Magnificent Delusions" titled "A Most Superb and Patriotic Liar". A title given to Zia by General Vernon Walters, a special representative of US President Ronald Reagen to Pakistan. I can mail the book to you if you're interested.
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Yeah please mail me the book i'll be much obliged.my email is in my profile
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Yeah please mail me the book i'll be much obliged.my email is in my profile
Can't seem to find the email in your profile. But anyway, download the book from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/6g...n+Haqqani.epub

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