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Cool Why didn't Pakistan accepted USSR invitation after its inception in 1947?

Pakistan’s search for trustworthy allies in the world began with its inception in 1947. The Indian threat of undoing Pakistan remained central in its dealing with the outside world. Pakistan’s inclination to develop cordial relations with USA was an outcome of the same security dilemma. Nevertheless, since beginning, Pakistan remained unsuccessful in maintaining a balancing act with regards to its relations with outside world. USSR and USA, both super powers extended their invitation to Pakistan after the independence. USSR’s invitation was not respected by Pakistan and complete reliance was sought over USA. While at the same time, India not only became an active advocate of Non Alignment Movement but also ensured good relations with both super powers during Cold War.

Why didn't Pakistan accepted USSR invitation after its inception in 1947?
What were the basic reasons to reject USSR invitation and accepting USA invitation?
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Pakistan’s search for trustworthy allies in the world began with its inception in 1947. The Indian threat of undoing Pakistan remained central in its dealing with the outside world. Pakistan’s inclination to develop cordial relations with USA was an outcome of the same security dilemma. Nevertheless, since beginning, Pakistan remained unsuccessful in maintaining a balancing act with regards to its relations with outside world. USSR and USA, both super powers extended their invitation to Pakistan after the independence. USSR’s invitation was not respected by Pakistan and complete reliance was sought over USA. While at the same time, India not only became an active advocate of Non Alignment Movement but also ensured good relations with both super powers during Cold War.

Why didn't Pakistan accepted USSR invitation after its inception in 1947?
What were the basic reasons to reject USSR invitation and accepting USA invitation?
Because Soviet Union was advocating Afghanistan on its claims on Pakistan's territories. Also, Afghanistan refused to recognise the new state of Pakistan.
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I think 3 reasons
1) Pakistan wanted the mightier of USSR and USA esp technology and military support
2) USSR due to Afghanistan seemed more of a threat
3) ideological clash as Pakistan and Islam favor capitalism more than communism
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Because Soviet Union was advocating Afghanistan on its claims on Pakistan's territories. Also, Afghanistan refused to recognise the new state of Pakistan.
No! no, no!
Russia was very friendly in the start and wanted to have friendly relations with Pakistan. The Soviet Union was very keen to have friendly relations with Pakistan because Pakistan was an access to the Warm waters of Indian ocean which was of vital importance to USSR for its trade purposes. The warm waters of Indian ocean also provided an outlet to the oil rich areas of the Middle East. Russia wanted to establish very close relations with Pakistan.

Now that we have settled that let's look at Why was the invitation rejected/not accepted?

When Pakistan came into being it was the cold war era. After the 2nd world war Russia had benefited tremendously and became a leader of the International Communist Revolution. Obviously, the non-communist nations were not happy with this. Especially the economically poor nations where the Public could be easily lead to believe that communism was the magical solution to all of their problems (Read = Pakistan)
Pakistan was an Islamic state. It's ideology prohibited the accumulation of wealth in some hands ,Government and state, which is the practice of communism.

That's why naturally Pakistan was a not a very suitable ally for Russia. When Russia extended an invitation to Liaquat Ali Khan, so did America. Liaquat Ali Khan went to America and presented Pakistan as a non-aligned country. But there was no fooling Russia, the acceptance of American invitation confirmed Pakistan's pro-western bias in the eyes of Russia. Later events strengthened this because Pakistan's policy became much more pro-west for its defense needs and aid.

Then came SEATO and CENTO which made Russia dislike us even more. But that's not the answer to your question.
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[QUOTE=Nazish Hina;884795]No! no, no!
Now that we have settled that let's look at Why was the invitation rejected/not accepted?

When Pakistan came into being it was the cold war era. After the 2nd world war Russia had benefited tremendously and became a leader of the International Communist Revolution. Obviously, the non-communist nations were not happy with this. Especially the economically poor nations where the Public could be easily lead to believe that communism was the magical solution to all of their problems (Read = Pakistan)
Pakistan was an Islamic state. It's ideology prohibited the accumulation of wealth in some hands ,Government and state, which is the practice of communism.

That's why naturally Pakistan was a not a very suitable ally for Russia. When Russia extended an invitation to Liaquat Ali Khan, so did America. Liaquat Ali Khan went to America and presented Pakistan as a non-aligned country. But there was no fooling Russia, the acceptance of American invitation confirmed Pakistan's pro-western bias in the eyes of Russia. Later events strengthened this because Pakistan's policy became much more pro-west for its defense needs and aid.



heheh don't mind dear but this is the funniest argument.... "Pakistan was an Islamic state. It's ideology prohibited the accumulation of wealth in some hands ,Government and state, which is the practice of communism.."

in Pakistan, nearly all resources have always been in control of few hands

so even if this was really the reason behind rejecting invitation then I can't help laughing
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No! no, no!
Russia was very friendly in the start and wanted to have friendly relations with Pakistan. The Soviet Union was very keen to have friendly relations with Pakistan because Pakistan was an access to the Warm waters of Indian ocean which was of vital importance to USSR for its trade purposes. The warm waters of Indian ocean also provided an outlet to the oil rich areas of the Middle East. Russia wanted to establish very close relations with Pakistan.

Now that we have settled that let's look at Why was the invitation rejected/not accepted?

When Pakistan came into being it was the cold war era. After the 2nd world war Russia had benefited tremendously and became a leader of the International Communist Revolution. Obviously, the non-communist nations were not happy with this. Especially the economically poor nations where the Public could be easily lead to believe that communism was the magical solution to all of their problems (Read = Pakistan)
Pakistan was an Islamic state. It's ideology prohibited the accumulation of wealth in some hands ,Government and state, which is the practice of communism.

That's why naturally Pakistan was a not a very suitable ally for Russia. When Russia extended an invitation to Liaquat Ali Khan, so did America. Liaquat Ali Khan went to America and presented Pakistan as a non-aligned country. But there was no fooling Russia, the acceptance of American invitation confirmed Pakistan's pro-western bias in the eyes of Russia. Later events strengthened this because Pakistan's policy became much more pro-west for its defense needs and aid.

Then came SEATO and CENTO which made Russia dislike us even more. But that's not the answer to your question.
Can you illustrate as to Soviet Union had a cordial relations with Pakistan? Can you allude to any form of agreement, aid package, or joint-statement of the two states?
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No! no, no!
Now that we have settled that let's look at Why was the invitation rejected/not accepted?

When Pakistan came into being it was the cold war era. After the 2nd world war Russia had benefited tremendously and became a leader of the International Communist Revolution. Obviously, the non-communist nations were not happy with this. Especially the economically poor nations where the Public could be easily lead to believe that communism was the magical solution to all of their problems (Read = Pakistan)
Pakistan was an Islamic state. It's ideology prohibited the accumulation of wealth in some hands ,Government and state, which is the practice of communism.

That's why naturally Pakistan was a not a very suitable ally for Russia. When Russia extended an invitation to Liaquat Ali Khan, so did America. Liaquat Ali Khan went to America and presented Pakistan as a non-aligned country. But there was no fooling Russia, the acceptance of American invitation confirmed Pakistan's pro-western bias in the eyes of Russia. Later events strengthened this because Pakistan's policy became much more pro-west for its defense needs and aid.



heheh don't mind dear but this is the funniest argument.... "Pakistan was an Islamic state. It's ideology prohibited the accumulation of wealth in some hands ,Government and state, which is the practice of communism.."

in Pakistan, nearly all resources have always been in control of few hands

so even if this was really the reason behind rejecting invitation then I can't help laughing
Laugh away! Naheed but "ideologically" this has always been a part of Pakistan's policy.

Constitution of Pakistan of 1973 also has a clause which states this: State will prevent accumulation of wealth.
And yes! Your claim of all resources have always been in few hands is right. REMEMBER! I'm talking about 1949. And at that time all resources had not always been... Because there was no always. We were just beginning, and to read history you need to look at that perspective.
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Can you illustrate as to Soviet Union had a cordial relations with Pakistan? Can you allude to any form of agreement, aid package, or joint-statement of the two states?
Yes! I can mention the invitation they gave us!
Do you think they were inviting us out of spite? What were their nefarious plans? I Wonder

P.S: I gave an opinion elaborated it with facts. If you think there's anything wrong with those facts, then talk about THOSE.

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Laugh away! Naheed but "ideologically" this has always been a part of Pakistan's policy.

Constitution of Pakistan of 1973 also has a clause which states this: State will prevent accumulation of wealth.
And yes! Your claim of all resources have always been in few hands is right. REMEMBER! I'm talking about 1949. And at that time all resources had not always been... Because there was no always. We were just beginning, and to read history you need to look at that perspective.
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yes right. constitution can include any clause but our politicians and people are great, they give a damn to it.
I have less knowledge in history, my reply came in reaction to word 'communism'.
you carry on your discussion
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Capitalism and Islam share one main thing that the reward should be equal to the work done. while communism says everyone should get equal reward regardless of the contribution which is in fact unjust in Islam.
Even though Russians were first to invite us they never responded to our demands for military or economic assistance. hence Pakistan chose to side with USA.( for this http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...a-relationship )
moreover this is my personal view that USSR was more of a threat as there was only Afghanistan between Pakistan and USSR., which USSR could cross over to gain access to warm water.
Also if you are saying that Pakistan resented communism it means that Pakistan ideology somehow abhorred communism
(I am new to IR and have a science background so correct me if i am wrong)
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Also if you are saying that Pakistan resented communism it means that Pakistan ideology somehow abhorred communism
(I am new to IR and have a science background so correct me if i am wrong)
That's exactly what I'm saying! Are you agreeing with me? I don't agree with the whole "Speechless Russia" thing. I think if they were speechless and then extended a hand. That should have been a positive sign, right!
P.S: Thanks for the article, it reminded me of Nehru's US visit, which I had totally forgotten.
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