Originally Posted by ursula

Thanks for non cooperation.
@mods
Please delete the irrelevant discussion.

Originally Posted by sincer khan

This is a very lengthy story and i can't explain here in detail, you must read Afghan-Russian war, US-Jummat alliance, and the Agenda of Jummati Islami,

Originally Posted by ursula

I don't know why this word "secularism" is considered taboo over here,while we are not telling the cook and bull story.if my analysis is a pimp on Islamic ideology,than I thought Fpsc should have to mention in the syllabus accordingly!Last days of preparation and so much confusion.

I agree with you at many points,but believe me I know that Quaid I azam had had strong aversion towards Mount Batton and British imperialsim.Due to time shortage I am unable to share all,but I'm betting you that M.Ali Jinnah was anti imperialist and anti racist.He was neither radicalist nor fanatic:while,britishers were not only racist but also discriminant.He had strong likings for American founding fathers such as Jafforson ideology.This is the reason why he advocated weak confederacy in the subcontinent as well as protection of minority rights.Please,please,please,don't mix up Britishers loyalist democracy with that of Quaids philosophy.You can find innumerable quotes of Quaid who unequivocally criticized British rule and its economical principles.I'd suggest you to read about Nathen Rotschield(a pinpoint example of modern capitalsim tantamountto accumulation of wealth within very few hands).Do you know Sir john Adam founding father of usa was killed by Lord Shelbourn,who was the director of East India company.
In short,my secularism is even different from yours.

Originally Posted by kingfalcon

Jinnah was friendly with the British in general, let's be honest here. He did criticise them when they were wrong. Jinnah was also a fan of Attaturk as you must know. He was an open minded person who was inclined towards the good aspects of the West. I don't know what you mean by my or your kind of secularism but the kind of system I want in this country is like they have in Western Europe or Canada, a Secular Social Welfare State with Real Democracy, take e.g. Norway, Sweden, Canada, etc etc

Originally Posted by ursula

P.S. I am a great fan of social welfare state but without dictatorial democracy. I found Abraham Lincoln as a perfect role model,Henary Wallace my favourite hero and William mickenly as my great source of inspirer.

Originally Posted by ursula

Is there anyone, who can solve my query objectively.As i wanted to know whether we can take pure leftist stance in pakistan affairs and islamayat paper or not.
@sincer khan
Har insan ne apny kabar man jana he,Our mjhe kissy se koy concern nhy he k molvi ya koy our mere bare man kya sochta he.


Please, resolve my query.

Originally Posted by Dr-malik

Never write against Quaid-e-Azam, Pakistan, Pakistan military, democracy. For Islamiat specially,, never write in favour of modern moderate molve hazraat. ( Geo's Ghamdi's Islamic stuff etc.)

Originally Posted by Hamza Salick

Moderately Liberal,because paper nowadays is set by examiner adhering to Ghamdi's school of thought.

Originally Posted by mano g

If your own concepts regarding Islam are clear, then you don't need to decide it. Islam is a logical religion, so be logical and original while answering, for example, in the teachings of Holy Quaran veil is essential for women, so we can't oppose this by showing ourselves liberal, although we can use the moderate touch or factor while interpreting it in the modern world context, but anyhow actual content and essence will remain the same.

Secondly, what so ever your stance it, prove it with solid arguments. Best of luck.

Originally Posted by Nazish Hina

Exactly, Who cares what anyone thinks!
Found the answers for you, searched around the forum a bit. Alas, I came here to log out today. Anyhow...
This is a post from 2008 qualifier:

This is from 2011 qualifiers:




I specifically agree with Mano G, I can't really add Fatima Mernissi or Amna Wadud's writings. Because they seek to reinterpret and that might not sit well with all of our examiners.

Source:
Moderate/liberal/conservative 2011 Qualifiers

2008 Qualifier

Best of luck, Ursula I hope you have awesome exams
Now, log out time :p

Originally Posted by ursula

very good points and i will try to read about this Ghamdi as well,though i don't like mullah type persons.
But any how lets see my nerves test!

All my thanks and all my gratitude are resting upon you
My all best of the best wishes are with you.
Its time for me to sign off as well, but we will be there with all zest and vigor!
Should i expect this?????

Originally Posted by ursula

Is there anyone, who can solve my query objectively.As i wanted to know whether we can take pure leftist stance in pakistan affairs and islamayat paper or not.
@sincer khan
Har insan ne apny kabar man jana he,Our mjhe kissy se koy concern nhy he k molvi ya koy our mere bare man kya sochta he.


Please, resolve my query.