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Saudia's interest in Afghanistan during Soviet invasion
Dear Members, Please anyone answer my confusion that why saudi Arabia was so much interested in Afghanistan during soviet invasion and spent so much money during this war. Obviously helping a Muslim country was just a cover. There must be some hidden agenda or strategic interest. Please make it clear?????
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Because, at that time there was a Communist government in Afghanistan. So KSA helped foster the rise of the Taliban largely to serve as a proxy force against Afghanistan's Soviet leadership. But Saudi Arabia also supported the radical Islamic militants to counter Iran. This strategy also helped KSA to extend its influence in the region.
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[QUOTE=Nisar Shah Bukhari;941924]Because, at that time there was a Communist government in Afghanistan. So KSA helped foster the rise of the Taliban largely to serve as a proxy force against Afghanistan's Soviet leadership. But Saudi Arabia also supported the radical Islamic militants to counter Iran. This strategy also helped KSA to extend its influence in the region.[/QUOTE]
If KSA was trying to use Afghan as its proxy against Iran, What was Iran's strategy??? Moreover, what was India doing during all this period. I never read anywhere anything about either Iran or India..... |
KSA used Afghan mujaheddin to counter Soviet expansion in Afghanistan not Iran as there was communist regime in Afghanistan. It was part of cold war. But KSA also wanted to curb Iranian influence in the region. At that time US supported Iranian regime was under threat by Khomeini. moreover, India was part of NAM. so neutral.
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[QUOTE=Nisar Shah Bukhari;941944]KSA used Afghan mujaheddin to counter Soviet expansion in Afghanistan not Iran as there was communist regime in Afghanistan. It was part of cold war. But KSA also wanted to curb Iranian influence in the region. At that time US supported Iranian regime was under threat by Khomeini. moreover, India was part of NAM. so neutral.[/QUOTE]
India was neutral as he is giving Pakistan opportunity of extending its influence in Afghanistan on plate????? I don't understand this point.... |
There were basically two hidden interests of KSA due to which she invested colossal resources in Afghanistan non state actors though this place was not in proximity to her
1 : KSA wanted to promote the philosophy of Wahabism in the entire region in general and CARs countries in specific and afhganistan could serve the best to achieve that because its a gateway to central asian countries 2 : Definitely Iran which has not good diplomatic relation with KSA and both are in race of countering each other agendas just like PAK vs india |
[QUOTE=AR ZAIDI;941963]There were basically two hidden interests of KSA due to which she invested colossal resources in Afghanistan non state actors though this place was not in proximity to her
1 : KSA wanted to promote the philosophy of Wahabism in the entire region in general and CARs countries in specific and afhganistan could serve the best to achieve that because its a gateway to central asian countries 2 : Definitely Iran which has not good diplomatic relation with KSA and both are in race of countering each other agendas just like PAK vs india[/QUOTE] Thank you for sharing your view.... |
Yes during cold war era, India remained neutral and was leading player of N.A.M. This was not about Pakistan's extending influence in Afghanistan. It was a Great game largely about Capitalist US vs Communist Soviet. Pakistan joined US Camp in order to get its favor in terms of military and economy. Pakistan was used to secure US interest in the region. On other hand, India had good relations with Afghanistan during all regimes except Taliban regime.
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[QUOTE=Nisar Shah Bukhari;941966]Yes during cold war era, India remained neutral and was leading player of N.A.M. This was not about Pakistan's extending influence in Afghanistan. It was a Great game largely about Capitalist US vs Communist Soviet. Pakistan joined US Camp in order to get its favor in terms of military and economy. Pakistan was used to secure US interest in the region. On other hand, India had good relations with Afghanistan during all regimes except Taliban regime.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for sharing your view.... |
[QUOTE=faiza rajput;941921]Dear Members, Please anyone answer my confusion that why saudi Arabia was so much interested in Afghanistan during soviet invasion and spent so much money during this war. Obviously helping a Muslim country was just a cover. There must be some hidden agenda or strategic interest. Please make it clear?????[/QUOTE]
Hey mam, Nowadays I am reading a book " war of Afghanistan by peter tomson of public affairs". I suppose it could be a good stuff to be mentioned here. Why KSA was interested in Afghan war is a long debate and here I would like to mention some of very few. Iran and KSA are known in American defence circle as two important pillars of middle eastern reagion.you know we talk about[B] OPEC=KSA+IRAN.[/B] That means worlds resources and important maritime supremacy without Persian gulf is a naive term with a naive explanation. Now come to my essay, that I have had attempted in ce-16. I did mention "wilsonian......" just check out ididmt remember exactly.I.e. Grand middle east concept and primacy at heartland theory.By making proxy players of iran against ksa, permanent seed of destruction were sowed in middle east.Since, puppet ruler Shah of iran was assisted to stab the Iraqi anti saddam forces like kurds and when kurds leader adopted the path of violence KSA was .... (Its too long story) Anyhow, it ended at petrodollar politics and I have already mentioned that Iran and kSA were key player, while house of sauds are purely monarch, khomeni in Iran were anti salafites thus permanent ethnic cauldron was set in(you can consult berzizinskis grand primacy that how they had had planned that boiling sectarian pot. When it comes to geopolitical definations then remember Afghanistan is just a scapegoat,Pakistan because of its geostrategic significance, ethnolinguistic attachments and ofcaurse our military push ups are something that Saudis desperately needed keeping in view of its conflict with yeman, syria, lebanon and to some extent with israel:while, Foster Dulles and his cousin led companies like David Rockefeller knew how to reap the maximum benefits out of such plots.king al Faisal signed petrodollar agreements and in return house of Arab sheikhdoms were secured from alawites attack. Using the nazis propaganda machines and having a tactics of OSS(three special bridges were prepared by three different releigous fanats--i mean, mechinaries from Christians, assassins from Muslims(suicide bombers), and Zions from Jews. Red army was a menance, its because they had their own vested imterest:while, ksa had already established its romantic affairs with EXXON,MOBIL,BP, and Shell companies. Mossadaq(my favourite leader) did nothing except kicked out these leeches to move out of the Iranian territory, much like the same done by Fiedel castro in Cuba. Saudis knew that had there been mossadaa in Iran or tudeh party activist, Riyadh would no more bd saved without such revolutions.For that purpose a planned assessins named by us Al-qaeda anx Taliban were installed. And in order to finance the war opium production was cultivated, adding insult to the injury a permanent scar of gulbadin hikmatyar and his fanactism had left on afg-pak face in the form of acid throwing incidences on women's faces, burning of girls school incidences, obsessive and medical islamism, and anti nationalistic pan utopian religious practices like contemporary isl led crisis. Anyhow, I made the story too short, I didactly studied it from all aspects and if you want some more explanation or question out of my explanation, feel free to ask me. P.s. I am bit tired that's why I am posting it without perviewing it and I hope you would ignore my all mistakes.:mellow: |
Simple Answer is that Saudia was a US ally at that time
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[QUOTE=ursula;942135]Hey mam,
Nowadays I am reading a book " war of Afghanistan by peter tomson of public affairs". I suppose it could be a good stuff to be mentioned here. Why KSA was interested in Afghan war is a long debate and here I would like to mention some of very few. Iran and KSA are known in American defence circle as two important pillars of middle eastern reagion.you know we talk about[B] OPEC=KSA+IRAN.[/B] That means worlds resources and important maritime supremacy without Persian gulf is a naive term with a naive explanation. Now come to my essay, that I have had attempted in ce-16. I did mention "wilsonian......" just check out ididmt remember exactly.I.e. Grand middle east concept and primacy at heartland theory.By making proxy players of iran against ksa, permanent seed of destruction were sowed in middle east.Since, puppet ruler Shah of iran was assisted to stab the Iraqi anti saddam forces like kurds and when kurds leader adopted the path of violence KSA was .... (Its too long story) Anyhow, it ended at petrodollar politics and I have already mentioned that Iran and kSA were key player, while house of sauds are purely monarch, khomeni in Iran were anti salafites thus permanent ethnic cauldron was set in(you can consult berzizinskis grand primacy that how they had had planned that boiling sectarian pot. When it comes to geopolitical definations then remember Afghanistan is just a scapegoat,Pakistan because of its geostrategic significance, ethnolinguistic attachments and ofcaurse our military push ups are something that Saudis desperately needed keeping in view of its conflict with yeman, syria, lebanon and to some extent with israel:while, Foster Dulles and his cousin led companies like David Rockefeller knew how to reap the maximum benefits out of such plots.king al Faisal signed petrodollar agreements and in return house of Arab sheikhdoms were secured from alawites attack. Using the nazis propaganda machines and having a tactics of OSS(three special bridges were prepared by three different releigous fanats--i mean, mechinaries from Christians, assassins from Muslims(suicide bombers), and Zions from Jews. Red army was a menance, its because they had their own vested imterest:while, ksa had already established its romantic affairs with EXXON,MOBIL,BP, and Shell companies. Mossadaq(my favourite leader) did nothing except kicked out these leeches to move out of the Iranian territory, much like the same done by Fiedel castro in Cuba. Saudis knew that had there been mossadaa in Iran or tudeh party activist, Riyadh would no more bd saved without such revolutions.For that purpose a planned assessins named by us Al-qaeda anx Taliban were installed. And in order to finance the war opium production was cultivated, adding insult to the injury a permanent scar of gulbadin hikmatyar and his fanactism had left on afg-pak face in the form of acid throwing incidences on women's faces, burning of girls school incidences, obsessive and medical islamism, and anti nationalistic pan utopian religious practices like contemporary isl led crisis. Anyhow, I made the story too short, I didactly studied it from all aspects and if you want some more explanation or question out of my explanation, feel free to ask me. P.s. I am bit tired that's why I am posting it without perviewing it and I hope you would ignore my all mistakes.:mellow:[/QUOTE] Thank you Ursula for sharing your information. I especially liked the reference you have mentioned in your answer. I will now easily search this topic in detail. One thing that I did not understand is the lines relating to Gulbadin Hikmatyar.... Pakistan was supporting this man against northern Alliance...... Will you please care to elaborate your point regarding this??? |
[QUOTE=Uzair Awan;942186]Simple Answer is that Saudia was a US ally at that time[/QUOTE]
Thank you Uzair for sharing your point..... |
[QUOTE=Uzair Awan;942186]Simple Answer is that Saudia was a US ally at that time[/QUOTE]
Ally, Ha aha! Its not alliance, its a called "vested interest". I mean in realpopitik, we use a term [B]I will scratch your back and you will be of mine.[/B] [QUOTE=faiza rajput;942190]Thank you Ursula for sharing your information. I especially liked the reference you have mentioned in your answer. I will now easily search this topic in detail. [/QUOTE] Again don't rely on a single source, take out some PDF, make your own independent analysis.That's the thing I wanted to say my cofollowers.Dont accpet even my opinion.:phone [QUOTE] One thing that I did not understand is the lines relating to Gulbadin Hikmatyar.... Pakistan was supporting this man against northern Alliance...... Will you please care to elaborate your point regarding this???[/QUOTE] Dude, Wo kaha jata he na" scary dunya jaunty he masewae us k jis ko janna tha" Its an eye opening evidence and mashallah, our ex isi general hamid gulf had had said on the record about this guy..For your info, Quetta shura was also created by that stubborn mullah type salafite.Nowadays, I am working on golden triangle,,do search out BCCI(Bank of credit and commerce investment) That snobbish guy along with zia legacy were [B]drug Mafia[/B], who used to launder their pecuniary rewards out of drug trafficking in Karachi led branch...... Oh gossh, story gets toooo long. Check out from any source.:)) I did remember that I already elaborated that person once in the past.just check out my initial post back in December. |
[QUOTE=ursula;942270]Ally,
Ha aha! Its not alliance, its a called "vested interest". I mean in realpopitik, we use a term [B]I will scratch your back and you will be of mine.[/B] Again don't rely on a single source, take out some PDF, make your own independent analysis.That's the thing I wanted to say my cofollowers.Dont accpet even my opinion.:phone Dude, Wo kaha jata he na" scary dunya jaunty he masewae us k jis ko janna tha" Its an eye opening evidence and mashallah, our ex isi general hamid gulf had had said on the record about this guy..For your info, Quetta shura was also created by that stubborn mullah type salafite.Nowadays, I am working on golden triangle,,do search out BCCI(Bank of credit and commerce investment) That snobbish guy along with zia legacy were [B]drug Mafia[/B], who used to launder their pecuniary rewards out of drug trafficking in Karachi led branch...... Oh gossh, story gets toooo long. Check out from any source.:)) I did remember that I already elaborated that person once in the past.just check out my initial post back in December.[/QUOTE] Thanks for explanation and searching tip ;) |
Hey Ursula, can you please suggest me a good book for IR. You seem to be quite knowledgeable about IR. Plus, can you answer me for the time being: first the US used the Taliban to stop soviet communism. But after the Soviet Regime was ousted, the US started imposing sanctions on the Taliban government. Why? (Correct me if I am wrong, I am a newbie.)
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[QUOTE=Math Maniac;942330]Hey Ursula, can you please suggest me a good book for IR.
[/QUOTE] One book, brother its too difficult! Joshua s Goldstein is a good combination.... besides other. [QUOTE] You seem to be quite knowledgeable about IR. Plus, can you answer me for the time being: first the US used the Taliban to stop soviet communism. But after the Soviet Regime was ousted, the US started imposing sanctions on the Taliban government. Why? (Correct me if I am wrong, I am a newbie.)[/QUOTE] Very true, Brother,I hope you had read once in junior classes[B] " the wolf and the lamb"[/B]…Same case is applied here, when you need to justify unlawful act in a lawful manner, you need a boggymam,which was "communism" in the past and " terroist" in the contemporary politics.all about deep pockets and their vested interest. Check out this. [url]http://www.cssforum.com.pk/938675-post6.html[/url] |
[QUOTE=ursula;942395]One book, brother its too difficult!
Joshua s Goldstein is a good combination.... besides other. Very true, Brother,I hope you had read once in junior classes[B] " the wolf and the lamb"[/B]…Same case is applied here, when you need to justify unlawful act in a lawful manner, you need a boggymam,which was "communism" in the past and " terroist" in the contemporary politics.all about deep pockets and their vested interest. Check out this. [url]http://www.cssforum.com.pk/938675-post6.html[/url][/QUOTE] Ursula, kindly share the link of this mentioned post. I'd like to read this whole discussion...... |
[QUOTE=faiza rajput;942457]Ursula, kindly share the link of this mentioned post. I'd like to read this whole discussion......[/QUOTE]
Sure!!! [url]http://www.cssforum.com.pk/general/discussion/109437-our-education-system.html[/url] In case of any confusion or even difference of opinion, find me among the welcoming guest.:pp |
[QUOTE=ursula;942609]Sure!!!
[url]http://www.cssforum.com.pk/general/discussion/109437-our-education-system.html[/url] In case of any confusion or even difference of opinion, find me among the welcoming guest.:pp[/QUOTE] Well, this is great news cz i like healthy discussion in which there is something new to learn.... mere discussion for discussion is what I hate most..... ;) |
[QUOTE=faiza rajput;942638]Well, this is great news cz i like healthy discussion in which there is something new to learn.... mere discussion for discussion is what I hate most..... ;)[/QUOTE]
But remember learning without [B]questioning[/B] is incomplete. I don't know why aspirants don't like to argue.While, I am expecting something long long and long discussion and counter arguments.lolllll!!!:happy: |
[QUOTE=ursula;942867]But remember learning without [B]questioning[/B] is incomplete. I don't know why aspirants don't like to argue.While, I am expecting something long long and long discussion and counter arguments.lolllll!!!:happy:[/QUOTE]
Ohhh you misunderstood my point...... I meant what good any discussion or questioning is when your intent is not of learning, mere teasing next person or time passing is in no way healthy....... What i think of healthy discussion is sharing your point of view, listening to other, then thinking about it, then contradict with argument or support by adding additional information till reaching a new conclusion or theory........ Correct me if I am wrong.... |
[QUOTE=ursula;942270]Ally,
Ha aha! Its not alliance, its a called "vested interest". I mean in realpopitik, we use a term [B]I will scratch your back and you will be of mine.[/B] Again don't rely on a single source, take out some PDF, make your own independent analysis.That's the thing I wanted to say my cofollowers.Dont accpet even my opinion.:phone Dude, Wo kaha jata he na" scary dunya jaunty he masewae us k jis ko janna tha" Its an eye opening evidence and mashallah, our ex isi general hamid gulf had had said on the record about this guy..For your info, Quetta shura was also created by that stubborn mullah type salafite.Nowadays, I am working on golden triangle,,do search out BCCI(Bank of credit and commerce investment) That snobbish guy along with zia legacy were [B]drug Mafia[/B], who used to launder their pecuniary rewards out of drug trafficking in Karachi led branch...... Oh gossh, story gets toooo long. Check out from any source.:)) I did remember that I already elaborated that person once in the past.just check out my initial post back in December.[/QUOTE] Okay... Lets resume to our discussion..... @Ursula so you are saying that Afghan leader was using Pakistani port (KARACHI) for smuggling its drugs a over the world, as we all know Afghan is land lock country.... and in exchange, Pakistan was supporting them against northern alliance...... Sounds bad..... but what if you were in leadership position at that time.... what would be your options???? keeping in view the geo strategic challenges, Pakistan's international standing at that time etc.... |
[QUOTE=faiza rajput;942900]Okay... Lets resume to our discussion.....
@Ursula so you are saying that Afghan leader was using Pakistani port (KARACHI) for smuggling its drugs a over the world, as we all know Afghan is land lock country.... and in exchange, Pakistan was supporting them against northern alliance......[/QUOTE] Exactly!!! There is not even a cent percent doubt in it.Do you know zia was such a mastermind that he was named as "Heroin linchpin", much like "shah of Iran". Its all about the vested interest of piggy banks like "Amaco, citibank and ..........No need to mention bush and his family led "Gold man Sachs".Such a despicable history that you will start crying.sadly enough not confined to non Muslims only..:vangry [QUOTE] Sounds bad..... but what if you were in leadership position at that time.... what would be your options???? keeping in view the geo strategic challenges, Pakistan's international standing at that time etc....[/QUOTE] Very good question.:clap:clap:clap I've a comprehensive answer, but I would love to know your opinion first.:closedeye |
[QUOTE=ursula;942970]Exactly!!!
There is not even a cent percent doubt in it.Do you know zia was such a mastermind that he was named as "Heroin linchpin", much like "shah of Iran". Its all about the vested interest of piggy banks like "Amaco, citibank and ..........No need to mention bush and his family led "Gold man Sachs".Such a despicable history that you will start crying.sadly enough not confined to non Muslims only..:vangry Very good question.:clap:clap:clap I've a comprehensive answer, but I would love to know your opinion first.:closedeye[/QUOTE] Hmmmmmm @Ursula although I never ask a question when I know the answer......... ;) Anyhow let me try...... :/ My opinion is it all goes back to the time of independence..... We embrace Us as "friend"... OK, need of the time butttt We alienate Russia... That was biggest mistake of that time... Our international problems start with this very decision but I don't know why our policy makers and so called leaders of that time were obsessed so much with Russia that they ignored all rationales.... Then comes Iran..... It was first country who recognize Pakistan but we chose KSA. Keeping in view Pakistan population, it seems necessary but we ignored that the problem that KSA can create two days, Iran can do the same in Two hours as She share long border.... Afghanistan is troubling since the time of our inception.... So when we combine all these facts, we see a picture in which we are trapped in our own net.... we have made that check n mate position with our own hands..... So I guess it was necessary to support the Taliban in Afghanistan to secure our western borders, but we shouldn't allow our soil to be used.... Training could be done in afghanistan... All the money was in control of ISI and it was not hard for it to handle the training camps in Afghanistan. Moreover, we failed disastrously to imancipate the fall out of the war, colletral damages, what would happen when war will over... Hamid gull anticipate the break down of Soviet Union in 1983, still we did not pay any attention. If you are following "Syrian War", you must know that one of the reasons that Russia sent its troops in Syria is that "She is afraid that radical people will return home and create problems so its better to fix them in the battle ground." Sadly, none of our policy maker thought of it at that time and created a Frankenstein monster... "America's original target was Pakistan" Every body knows that except Pakistan's policy makers.... So it was necessary to draw a complete map of above mentioned facts and hypothesis and then make a policy like set the terms with USA about the future of "Mujahideen". We should ask question to America that what will happen to Afghanistan AFTER THE WAR.... But we made that mistake 35 years ago and sadly turkey has made that mistake NOW :( ..... My answer is not up to the mark but I tried to present my raw opinion... Comment and share yours..... |
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