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Thru reliable sources, it is learnt that allocations of css.2005 candidates are ready at FPSC only waiting for green signal from CSA. csa decided to start CTP in September,therefore, offer letters will be issued in
August.Morover,period for Common Training is also increased.This time instead of six months, it will take nine months.
Even after the lapse of 59 yrs we couldnt regularize our trg schdule for bureaucrats.Long live our planners.
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Dear only constant is change so need not to worry if ur traiining schedule is constntly on its way to evolution.
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Dear Waheed Khattak!

After a sordid experiment by General Naqvia, father of devolution plan, now another arrow of president musharf is coming in shape of Ishrat hussain. The latter is going to "reform" the govenment structure according to needs of MNC. Donot worry, bureaucarts will be taught, ow to be Customer Service Officer for MNCs. If u donot belive look at the LTUs and MTUs established by CBR. Now Customs and ITG officers goto one year MBA programmer so that they learn how to serve the capitalist and hwo to suppress and oppress the poor people of pakistan so that poverty can be eliminated from Pakistan.

It is fact, Civil services is no more attractive as it used to be before current Mushi (Musharf) Dyansty and Q-League. Mr. Waheed u will see urself how military is going to make morass of civil services now after democracy.

Wish all officers safe career because this country is not for civilians and i am sure Mr. Waheed will agree with me afer so much discussion.

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Default End of Afsare shahe,rise of corporate sector

WOW gud reforms keep it up General ,u can do it.Sonia wats wrong in it if our president wanna introduce corporate govt structure in our country.In my opnion its not bad.Thats the only way pakistan can progress by privatizing each and every thing of our beloved country except Military.Why not our govt decides to stop taking css exams,nodoubt today we need good managers not gud csp officers.In order to progress we have 2 hand over all govt offices 2 private sector Thts wat we say M METHOD.
Wesay i m in favor of these reforms.End of Afsare shahe,rise of corporate sector.
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Dear Sonia,
Little disappointed after learning your views. Can you please explain please, why an enlightened educated pakistani girl is resisiting a change? Reaction has begun and now it is not going to stop until it triggers a new chain reaction and so on. Thisis the emerging reality that change(good or bad, yet not decided) is at our door Step knocking us to break our deep slumber.
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@ Qamar Cheema, dear bro, no one can stop a change & even welcome if it is positive.Do u think Devo plan ( devil Plan)is a good change ? ur DMGs ( policy planners) are reduced to what? ur top two guysof CE-05 opted for PSP.tomrw ur DIGs would b more competent thn ur policey planners means ur policy planners wud be second best ppl.wat wud b the policies of second best planners wen the first ones were failed? If ths is enlightened undecided change then....! Khuda he hafifz ho.
@Aristotle. plz read the asset declaration of our politicians of this yr.Y do they hide? Y UNIFORMED ppl are exempted in declaring their assets? whereas bureaus r sunj to? hav u read the Steel Mill scam n scandle of purchasing Locomotives.Dont u think CSPs are mangars? who manages ur law & order? trade n commerce, even Foreign Affairs.in ur opinion probabaly running a pvt org is managing?
@ Akmal, why there is no change in trg schdule at PMA?it is universal constant ( 2 yrs) since emancipation !( probabaly they r the real bureaucrats& subj to no change).
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I am amused abt the comments made by Aristotle ( who betrayed his master Plato. Now he is supporting Mushi Dynsty after Ayubi Dyansty and Zia Dynasty ) and the comments made by Qamar Cheema Sahib (thanks God, he is not Qeema sahib, otherwise he would have made my qeema over the comments i made over here, though it is truth whihc is difficlut to digest).lolzzzz

Aristotle First: Dear, people of pak have been ruled by the feudal lords, war lords like abkar bhugti, bureaucracy, and now is the turn of Capitalist class of MNCs. Be realistic, tell me what is charm in DMGs, Customs, ITGs, not to mention accounts…. Ask any DCO he will tell u the tale of his long tears. Visit LTUs and MTUs u will find the frustrated officers of elite groups of Pre-Musharaf era. This era is the era of deforming civil services not reforming. Dear, this is fact. U must not ignore it for the reasons of self deception.

Cheema: Dear, i am not resisting any change, but i am against any efforts whihc is bent upon not to strenghtenn the civil instituion like Parliamnet, PM ofice, Civil bureacucracy and strengthening of military bureaucracy and military institution. Why Gernal Musharf made the armed forces chiefs as the memebrs of national Security council(NSC),why he did not made any top bureaucrat its memeber. It means he want to make policy makers in bureaucacy weakened like poultry chicken..... when he made the Gerneral, admiral, and marshal its memebers!!!!!
U must not eschew the reality but chew the gum of reality of the of decline in civil services...DMGs, Customs and ITGs are on death bed with injections of life surviving drugs now. Its is reality. I donot know what they will make PSPs in near future, hope My friend Waheed Khattka will rescue it with the help of ISI ...lolzzz

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Dear SONIA
Thanks for your comments about my name, I appreciate your such an intelligent and impressive analysis about my name…..And offcourse I can understand your vulnerability!

We are a nation loaded with ordeal of gloomy anecdote of Civil Services of Pakistan stretching over 60 years. There is no qualm about the great services rendered by Servants of Pakistan initially; they ran the country with extreme professionalism and dedication. But followed by the epoch when due to these great servants, Pakistan ascended to Sixth position in corruption theater. Change was inevitable since they have been exposed due to their own feats. There are very little on their credits now. Police and DMG people who wielded enormous powers in recent past were the Nero kings of the Districts. But can you count the number of cities which can be shown as an example of their professionalism*. Bribery, Dishonesty, Preferential treatment, Self Serving decision making, Leg Pulling, Monopoly and lack of professionalism are the hall marks of our great officers with very few exceptions.
However, I am not by all means in favor of a dictator, but I am not also with these politicians or bureaucrats. I am skipping military role and politics of our feudals to save the direction of our discussion. I am in favor of change, we have experimented old civil services system and found it unsuitable due to numerous flaws that upshot certain traits as mentioned above. Every society evolutes in order to survive in the existence race, old traditions get obsolete, new paradigms materialize and reforms happen to accommodate new realities. Change was due, and it does not matter who did it, this was inevitable. I accept, there are flaws in current system and it needs evolutionary development. Actually there is a rift on authorities and privileges, not on responsibilities.
As for as MNC mania is concerned, World Financial Institutes have invested in your social sector development palns i.e Police reforms, with a promise of their share in GDP, since they know that if there is an amelioration in a society, there will be more business and increase in GDP and so there share will be improved, it is a solid and transparent business investment. Police reforms or civil services reform will definitely expedite the things towards swift logical conclusion. You can smell the aroma of change around yourself with flavors of certain new improved systems, NADRA, NEPRA, PEMRA, PTA, NLA, PSPCC. Now they are working on corporate styles, autonomous, self generation of funds, and fair decision making. Due to this as one example you get you Id Card within days which was otherwise a months story. Corporate culture has proved its strength everywhere. What is wrong if an Auditor or Revenue officer holds a Business Administration Degree that will definitely improve his professionalism and skills, since he is deeply involved in finance affairs that demand his clutch on certain tools of financial management?

I think we need some more discussion regarding "What we actually need in the system" not on the question "Who is doing this"
I hope people will contribute their valuable comments on the topic.
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Default Qamar , ur reply is ridden with paradoxes

Dear, u have raised questions urself, and then aswered also urself. Then u have tried to brought in solution of those probelms by MNC's slight share of their profits they "investing" for pverty elimiation in Pakistan. U say MNCs contributing alot to the development of Pakistan! It is amzing comments made by u, b/c u r living in a country where scandal like of IPPs are not of remote past. U r living in a country contolled by MNC with the help of small capitalist who have manged to convince the govt: to shift their 100% profit of capital amount to anywhere around the world at any time.....R u ignorant of these policies of "reformation age" in Pakistan. When they have right to shift their profits and capital amount how they r going to invest in Pakistan!!!!
2ndly, never MNCs have contributed in the social development of Pakistan. There are alwsy hidden interest of these MNCs....I donot have much time to delineat upon it here but i shall contribute on this how they dupe the people of pakistan and third world countires. Who does not know how world financial institution have exploited the poor countries including Pakistan , read with open eyes how much IDA have they extended and how much returned in back......U will be convinced of my point, if u learn how these financial institutions mobilises resources in world financial capitals and then extend "facility" to poor countries.

Points are many and i can write upon it lengthy sentences, but my main point will go under the carpet if i go on wirting over it.

That is Civil Services.

I do stand upon my point of view i have already mentioned. But unfortunetly, no one excpet whaeed has dealt it rationally. Brother Cheema is very emotional in his last posting for civil services et al. I think there is no need in harm to say DCO now Customer Services officer of District Nazim and our customs and ITG officer are customer services officers of MNCs. Our people do not go in to DMG, Customs and ITG to be customer services officers, but officers with colonial mindset. They want to rule people. U accept this or not, but it is reality. It is sole reason people like to join services. This is no more available to them except in PSP.
But if there are enlightened souls who want to be CSOs they are going to make a choice where they will be frustrated. I shall comments over many points in my next posting comprehensively. I have tried to write much in short time availabele to me right now.
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Wink Mushi & the puppet government

Devolution plan will not continue forever. It will depart with Mushi and his puppets. I have been studying devolution plan and its effects for three years and now I can tell you with full guarantee that none of the MPAs ,MNAs and other politicians (in and out of the government) want this system to continue. Believe me,there is a strong possibility of revival of old system.

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