Failed Candidates in Interview CSS-2010
 

Can some one throw light on causes of failure of 12 candidates in CSS 2010 interviews...... Is is their poor performance in the interview? Or psychological suitability??? Or some other causes???
There is one of my friend beloging to my town of sindh, he is also fail in interview, although there r vacant seats in sindh...

Dear! that guy is my best friend and you both are from same village. I am very disheartened and sad. I met his elder brother in Karachi last night. He made me cry. There is obviously some personal grudge BD or member retired from Police has taken out. He has remained with me through thick and thin and for his sake, i can say this on any forum.

one of mine friend also failed to qualify final list....reasons might be some security n family issues...

[QUOTE=Fortune;308570]Dear! that guy is my best friend and you both are from same village. I am very disheartened and sad. I met his elder brother in Karachi last night. He made me cry. There is obviously some personal grudge BD or member retired from Police has taken out. He has remained with me through thick and thin and for his sake, i can say this on any forum.[/QUOTE]

What was the "personal grudge" of BD that prevented him to have your friend objectively evaluated in his interview?? Was there some ancestral or family vendetta which BD was trying to settle with him?

Failure is part of the game, now what these failures need to do is simply "DO MORE"

[QUOTE=Rauf Tariq;309955]one of mine friend also failed to qualify final list....reasons might be some security n family issues...[/QUOTE]

what u mean by security issues?

Well I am afraid but I don't buy the 'Personal vendetta' thingy..I think the panel is applying the suitability via interview.If they have found a candidate unsuitable for service,they have failed him in the interview altogether.Security clearance comes in at the time of allocations,not the final merit list.So,the interviewing panel might have found something appalling either in Vivas or the psuchological reports of those candidates..Thats my guess

[QUOTE=hamza_salick86;314096]Well I am afraid but I don't buy the 'Personal vendetta' thingy..I think the panel is applying the suitability via interview.If they have found a candidate unsuitable for service,they have failed him in the interview altogether.Security clearance comes in at the time of allocations,not the final merit list.So,the interviewing panel might have found something appalling either in Vivas or the psuchological reports of those candidates..Thats my guess[/QUOTE]

dear! There is hundred percent personal grude and i know it personally. Moreover, i have seen the psychological report of that guy and his grading is superb in that too. He has leadership and administrative qualities. Anyways, soon something is going to hapen.

[QUOTE=Fortune;314243]dear! There is hundred percent personal grude and i know it personally. Moreover, i have seen the psychological report of that guy and his grading is superb in that too. He has leadership and administrative qualities. Anyways, soon something is going to hapen.[/QUOTE]

something???like what?

[QUOTE=Fortune;314243]dear! There is hundred percent personal grude and i know it personally. Moreover, i have seen the psychological report of that guy and his grading is superb in that too. He has leadership and administrative qualities. Anyways, soon something is going to hapen.[/QUOTE]

sir pls xplain this SOMETHING.....waiting for response

thanks.

[QUOTE=Fortune;314243]dear! There is hundred percent personal grude and i know it personally. Moreover, i have seen the psychological report of that guy and his grading is superb in that too. He has leadership and administrative qualities. Anyways, soon something is going to hapen.[/QUOTE]

Fortune, please lay-off this crappy conspiracy theories against BD or FPSC!! Don't defend the defeatist mentalities; perhaps, that won't serve your purpose! Do you think we all are stupid??

[QUOTE=Sheeraz S;314384]Fortune, please lay-off this crappy conspiracy theories against BD or FPSC!! Don't defend the defeatist mentalities; perhaps, that won't serve your purpose! Do you think we all are stupid??[/QUOTE]

Is it against you even if it were a crappy conspiracy theory? Was the answer directed to you? Is he going to take your seat? I would defend him by all means whether it serves my purpose or not. I did not say that you are stupid so, why u have doubts? I am astonished at how you have responded. Are you some one from FPSC?

@Fortune...waiting for ur reply....:closedeye

[QUOTE=hamza_salick86;314524]@Fortune...waiting for ur reply....:closedeye[/QUOTE]

Dear! it will not harm any candidate, but your allocation might get delayed. see your reputation point.

[QUOTE=Fortune;314505]Is it against you even if it were a crappy conspiracy theory? Was the answer directed to you? Is he going to take your seat? I would defend him by all means whether it serves my purpose or not. I did not say that you are stupid so, why u have doubts? I am astonished at how you have responded. Are you some one from FPSC?[/QUOTE]


Fortune, I ain't interested in your friend's candidature; however, you have gone out of your way to undermine the transparency of FPSC while camouflaging the virtual incompetence of your friend!! Don't misguide CSS aspirants; reason being, all those who couldn't qualify would think like a defeated mind like that of your friend! So, you are becoming a source of paranoia for new aspirants!

[QUOTE=hamza_salick86;314524]@Fortune...waiting for ur reply....:closedeye[/QUOTE]
brother what does it mean by family and security reasons?

fortune your responses are beyond my comprehension.....BD ka personal grudge--ap ne psychological report dekhi hai--ap ko sb pata hai k koun suitable hai or koun nai---smthng is goin to happen!---koi suspense movie hai ye kia??

zara elaborate to krein g:)

[QUOTE=Sheeraz S;314730]Fortune, I ain't interested in your friend's candidature; however, you have gone out of your way to undermine the transparency of FPSC while camouflaging the virtual incompetence of your friend!! Don't misguide CSS aspirants; reason being, all those who couldn't qualify would think like a defeated mind like that of your friend! So, you are becoming a source of paranoia for new aspirants![/QUOTE]

If you ain't interested in my friend's candidature, you should not make comments either he is incompetent or not. When DMCs are uploaded, see his marks. 704. Even if you consider him incompetent, you are going out of your way to undermine someone's capabilities. FPSC is a flawed institution and has a number of elements accommodating unfair means. Though i can prove it, but according to you i would become a source of paranoia so, rule it out that i will explain it to atleast those who blindly trust this biased and ineffective institution. Since you are not well aware of his competence, you should avoid talking like that; his competence is proved from the fact that he has qualified Mukhtiarkar examination, in which 15 CSS qualifiers have failed. I am not misguiding CSS aspirants, but guiding them rightly that they should not count on FPSC only. Hope you are sensible enough to understand my point.

[QUOTE=bifokeen;316250]fortune your responses are beyond my comprehension.....BD ka personal grudge--ap ne psychological report dekhi hai--ap ko sb pata hai k koun suitable hai or koun nai---smthng is goin to happen!---koi suspense movie hai ye kia??

zara elaborate to krein g:)[/QUOTE]

Don't ponder over it. If you believe God exists, i have seen his psychological report. Yes BD ka personal grudge. This is not a suspense movie. Moreover, if i knew something earlier, doesn't it raise doubts on FPSC transparency?

[QUOTE=Fortune;316668]If you ain't interested in my friend's candidature, you should not make comments either he is incompetent or not. When DMCs are uploaded, see his marks. 704. Even if you consider him incompetent, you are going out of your way to undermine someone's capabilities. FPSC is a flawed institution and has a number of elements accommodating unfair means. Though i can prove it, but according to you i would become a source of paranoia so, rule it out that i will explain it to atleast those who blindly trust this biased and ineffective institution. Since you are not well aware of his competence, you should avoid talking like that; his competence is proved from the fact that he has qualified Mukhtiarkar examination, in which 15 CSS qualifiers have failed. I am not misguiding CSS aspirants, but guiding them rightly that they should not count on FPSC only. Hope you are sensible enough to understand my point

Don't ponder over it. If you believe God exists, i have seen his psychological report. Yes BD ka personal grudge. This is not a suspense movie. Moreover, if i knew something earlier, doesn't it raise doubts on FPSC transparency?


.[/QUOTE]

@Fortune...first the written marks are not a benchmark to judge the suitability of a candidate for CSS job...Had it been so, why the FPSC needs to bother to go through the six months hassle of conducting interviews. Why are not jobs allocated according to the written marks?...Second, if there is any personal grudge of Bhagwandas against this candidate, you or your friend must be knowing about it earlier. why did you people not make it public earlier?

[B]P.S. In the land of the pure, conspiracy theories abound in every instance.[/B]

[QUOTE=Fortune;316670]Don't ponder over it. If you believe God exists, i have seen his psychological report. Yes BD ka personal grudge. This is not a suspense movie. Moreover, if i knew something earlier, doesn't it raise doubts on FPSC transparency?[/QUOTE]

Fortune its FPSC, not ISSB that unjustice can be done. BD's credibility is well known to everyone, furthermore please dont misguide aspirants and create confusion regarding FPSC.

[QUOTE=usmanamjad87;316691]Fortune its FPSC, not ISSB that unjustice can be done. BD's credibility is well known to everyone, furthermore please dont misguide aspirants and create confusion regarding FPSC.[/QUOTE]

Listen dear! I am speaking truth and no one on the earth can stop me from saying so. Moreover, if i ask you how ISSB is not transparent, you will have your own justification so have i for FPSC. Baki BD ki baat na karen. BD is biased. I iterate BD is biased.

panelists
 

R there usualy 10 to 12 members in the interview panel

[QUOTE=Suzane Khan;316736]R there usualy 10 to 12 members in the interview panel[/QUOTE]

Nopes..4 normally

[QUOTE=Fortune;316707]Listen dear! I am speaking truth and no one on the earth can stop me from saying so. Moreover, if i ask you how ISSB is not transparent, you will have your own justification so have i for FPSC. Baki BD ki baat na karen. BD is biased. I iterate BD is biased.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you brother that BD is biased even this whole institution is biased. Look i have been for four years in a multinational and multicultural enviornment occupying a seat which bridge many companies. I have played the role of leadership, organizer and motivator. Always trusted my self and my growth is self based even without the guardianship of my father. During my Psychological i remained argumentative, cool and supporting bringing new ideas in front of other participants. My interview with Psychologist was just a chatting with a friend for me. In interview with BD panal i remained steadfast without any hesitation or shivering and answered about 41/45 questions. Most of the questions consisted of Current Affairs, such as middle east, Iran, terrorism, attacks on navy in Karachi etc. I was 90% satisfied but BD and his panal awarded me just 158 marks while in written i had 668. Thus BD and his panal showed me the door. Aside of low marks i am n shock about my personality and thinking, is there any abnomality in my mind? It is a question which irritates me.
Dear i am out from this useless game for ever but i want to solve this mystery before folding everything. For that purpose i want to read my Psychological report. Would u help in clearing the way toward my Psychological report? How to get access to it?

Well... as far as my opinion is concerned.. FPSC is not a sacred cow... it has many shortcomings... Those who think FPSC is infallible live in fools paradise... Many cases have been observed where FPSC has been the guilty party... but CSS is an exam where voice of the sufferer is rarely heard...

In my opinion no one can doubt the credibility of BD. One should not cast aspersions about this great man.However there are many flaws and loopholes in the system of FPSC n in the conduction of CSS exam. It is very unpredictable and non-standardized exam n it seems more to be an exam of 'good fortune' than being factually an exam of talent and capability.e.g somebody gets 72 in Islamiat one year n fails next year in the same subject. Scores above 200 in viva n next time 170. What is this ????? It means 'there is a seasonal variation in the capabilities of such person'???????:D:D. On the other hand I believe the panel is fair n conscientious and such situation is out of their knowledge or control. a thorough revamping of this exam is required but unfortunately either they don't have the vision and courage to do so or owing to their age they have a demode mindset which resists any change.

some police cases....

[QUOTE=fitman;313969]what u mean by security issues?[/QUOTE]
some police cases on him...hence there was some issue with security clearance.

[QUOTE=SDM;317067]In my opinion no one can doubt the credibility of BD. One should not cast aspersions about this great man.However there are many flaws and loopholes in the system of FPSC n in the conduction of CSS exam. It is very unpredictable and non-standardized exam n it seems more to be an exam of 'good fortune' than being factually an exam of talent and capability.e.g somebody gets 72 in Islamiat one year n fails next year in the same subject. Scores above 200 in viva n next time 170. What is this ????? It means 'there is a seasonal variation in the capabilities of such person'???????:D:D. On the other hand I believe the panel is fair n conscientious and such situation is out of their knowledge or control. a thorough revamping of this exam is required but unfortunately either they don't have the vision and courage to do so or owing to their age they have a demode mindset which resists any change.[/QUOTE]




I may not "doubt" BD saib and the panels fairness but i do without a doubt the competence of the panel in assessing the candidates. I got 193 in the viva but certain candidates how were very competent and i believe deserved a hell lot than the meager marks given varying from just 140 to 150. I'd say they made a feeble effort in their judgement. I know this for sure that the psychological evaluation is just a farce. Weightage given to the psychological is totally upto the panel, they may ignore it or instead just use it totally depending on their own discretion. I don't know about all my fellow candidates but for sure i'm not content in regard to their assessments.

Respect,
No intention to offend

I am also going against fpsc in Supreme court
 

aoa, i am also going to supreme court against fpsc regarding their marking criteria.
i got 35 in journalism and 45 in sociology though my 20 mcqs in each subject are correct.
i am also going to sue them regarding interview in which i got 140 (though i got 667 in written)
if any body interested please do contct me
farrukh (03***********)
Roll#61 merit: 330

[QUOTE=A Goof;322113]aoa, i am also going to supreme court against fpsc regarding their marking criteria.
i got 35 in journalism and 45 in sociology though my 20 mcqs in each subject are correct.
i am also going to sue them regarding interview in which i got 140 (though i got 667 in written)
if any body interested please do contct me
farrukh (03**********)
Roll#61 merit: 330[/QUOTE]

Do you exactly remember that you haven't forgotten to write your Roll No on your MCQ's answer sheet? If you forgot in case, then no matter if your 20 MCQs are correct, you will get zero marks. This has happened to large number of students in CE 2010. I also feel that I forgot to write my roll no in US history on MCQ answer sheet in CE2011. My 18 MCQs are correct, but I'd lose them

[QUOTE=A Goof;322113]aoa, i am also going to supreme court against fpsc regarding their marking criteria.
i got 35 in journalism and 45 in sociology though my 20 mcqs in each subject are correct.
i am also going to sue them regarding interview in which i got 140 (though i got 667 in written)
if any body interested please do contct me
farrukh (03********)
Roll#61 merit: 330[/QUOTE]

Please read and understand the following before you take any action:-

According to the rules laid down by the commission and duly approved by you before the tests..

[I]"[B]Answer papers in all the subjects of examination are secret documents and cannot, therefore, be permitted to be seen by the candidates or their representatives nor re-examination of answer books/scripts is allowed under any circumstances. [/B]A candidate desirous of getting of his/her marks, awarded by the examiners re-counted may submit his request for the purpose, within one month from the date of issue of result card/marks sheet alongwith a Treasury Challan of Rs. 200/- per paper as fee for re-checking/ recounting of marks only. Thereafter, no such request will be entertained."

"Subject to the Recruitment policy... Candidates securing the highest places on the combined results of the written Examination, Psychological and Viva Voce tests and eligible for appointment will be appointed upto the number of vacancies available. [B]No candidate will, however, be considered for appointment to any of the Groups/Services for which he/she has been declared “not suitable” by the Commission at the time of Viva Voce test[/B]."[/I]

Now challenge FPSC or Justice (R) Rana Bhagwan Das in any court of law.

Regards.

[QUOTE=A Goof;322113]aoa, i am also going to supreme court against fpsc regarding their marking criteria.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=floydian;322185]Please read and understand the following before you take any action:-

According to the rules laid down by the commission and duly approved by you before the tests..

[I]"[B]Answer papers in all the subjects of examination are secret documents and cannot, therefore, be permitted to be seen by the candidates or their representatives nor re-examination of answer books/scripts is allowed under any circumstances. [/B]

[B]No candidate will, however, be considered for appointment to any of the Groups/Services for which he/she has been declared “not suitable” by the Commission at the time of Viva Voce test[/B]."[/I]

Now challenge FPSC or Justice (R) Rana Bhagwan Das in any court of law.

Regards.[/QUOTE]

@A Goof... Unfortunately there is nothing we can do in this regard as Floydian has clearly posted.... we can only criticize and that too on the forum.... i know its impossible to feel what your going through after you made such an effort in you exams but all i can say is InshaaALLAH i hope to see you get selected in your next attempt... Best of luck brother

@Floydian
U mentioned a very valueable point... I will discuss it with my lawyer...thanks for your suggestion
thanks
@Fortune
Thanks dear, this was my last chance

[QUOTE=floydian;322185]Please read and understand the following before you take any action:-

According to the rules laid down by the commission and duly approved by you before the tests..

[I]"[B]Answer papers in all the subjects of examination are secret documents and cannot, therefore, be permitted to be seen by the candidates or their representatives nor re-examination of answer books/scripts is allowed under any circumstances. [/B]A candidate desirous of getting of his/her marks, awarded by the examiners re-counted may submit his request for the purpose, within one month from the date of issue of result card/marks sheet alongwith a Treasury Challan of Rs. 200/- per paper as fee for re-checking/ recounting of marks only. Thereafter, no such request will be entertained."

"Subject to the Recruitment policy... Candidates securing the highest places on the combined results of the written Examination, Psychological and Viva Voce tests and eligible for appointment will be appointed upto the number of vacancies available. [B]No candidate will, however, be considered for appointment to any of the Groups/Services for which he/she has been declared “not suitable” by the Commission at the time of Viva Voce test[/B]."[/I]

Now challenge FPSC or Justice (R) Rana Bhagwan Das in any court of law.

Regards.[/QUOTE]

We have a precedent in which a candidate appealed in Peshawar High Court and Director Examination had to appear before with answer sheets in the court. Now????

[QUOTE=Fortune;324247]We have a precedent in which a candidate appealed in Peshawar High Court and Director Examination had to appear before with answer sheets in the court. Now????[/QUOTE]

Well bro it depends .. Suppose the precedent you have turns out to be a case of HSSC or SSC or of any University degree and not specifically of CSS, then the judge may rule against you on the very first hearing .. Because I have heard about people seeing their answer-sheets (if dissatisfied) after College or University results, but not in CSS ..
And as far as I know the cases regarding CSS are dealt on the policy grounds .. Like in politics they get away by saying 'Qaum k waseeh tar mufaad mein faisla kiya hai' .. You may take policy decisions by the courts in the same sense if talking in layman terms ..

Honestly, I have never heard about CSS answer-sheets being produced in court .. Because, there is a term in law 'flood-gates' .. If there was a precedent like that, then it would have already opened the flood gates for other applicants as well ..

However, If indeed you have a precedent relating CSS, then you must give it a try ..

Allah sab k liye aasaaniyan paida farmaaye ..

Regards ..

[QUOTE=Fortune;324247]We have a precedent in which a candidate appealed in Peshawar High Court and Director Examination had to appear before with answer sheets in the court. Now????[/QUOTE]

In addition to what Stunner has said.. if you think that you can base your case on that precedent and challenge FPSC's marking criteria or the interview's panel decision to fail the candidates (due to whatever reason) then simply go ahead. But keep in mind Bhagwandas' reputation in the echelons of judiciary. Frankly speaking, you won't find any potent loophole to exploit and get the things done in your favour. Its like striking one's head against the wall. Khair.. best luck and regards :)

[QUOTE=floydian;324951]In addition to what Stunner has said.. if you think that you can base your case on that precedent and challenge FPSC's marking criteria or the interview's panel decision to fail the candidates (due to whatever reason) then simply go ahead. But keep in mind Bhagwandas' reputation in the echelons of judiciary. Frankly speaking, you won't find any potent loophole to exploit and get the things done in your favour. Its like striking one's head against the wall. Khair.. best luck and regards :)[/QUOTE]

Mr. S******! hope for the best and pray for your companion atleast.

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Dear A Goof !!

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I feel in a simillar situation as you.

Thanx!:)

to A Goof
 

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