Originally Posted by zuhaib ahmed

Originally Posted by zuhaib ahmed

Originally Posted by SA Haider

Dear Zohaib If they tell the marks of the passing candidates then this may result in overconfidence for candidates scoring good marks in written and they may not prepare well for psychological test and interview.

Similarly the candidates having lower marks in written will feel like that interview is not gonna change their fate because their marks are low in written so they may not prepare for that also.

In my opinion this is a good policy because every candidate appears at other tests will full preparation and confidence.

Originally Posted by Xeric

Revamping the civil service: ‘It’s time to reconsider quota system’

The job services quota system has been in place for the 40 years, but many are questioning whether it has delivered what it set out to achieve.

Former senior bureaucrats say it hasn’t – in fact, they’re calling for a complete overhaul of the system and an in-depth analysis of the policy’s outcome.

Article 27 of the 1973 Constitution had provided safeguards against discrimination in services on grounds of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth. The idea behind this was to promote the interests of people living in less developed areas.

The quota system, which was created as an exception to this rule, is set to expire in August 2013 . Roedad Khan, who has held the posts of Sindh chief secretary and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) chief secretary before his retirement, is sceptical about whether it should continue.

“The whole question [of the quota system] needs to be looked at afresh by a high level commission, perhaps headed by a Supreme Court judge, which must examine in depth what have we achieved since this policy began,” he said.

According to the current recruitment policy listed at the Central Superior Service of Pakistan website, only 10% of posts are reserved for merit.

Khan suggested that one should look into the possibility of changing the policy so that jobs were granted on a 100% merit basis. He said one should also re-evaluate the policy’s dependence on a domicile.

The quota system, Roedad Khan recalled, was introduced in 1949. But back then, the quota system made sense – the newly created country was in disarray. “Pakistan inherited only one Indian Civil Services officer at the time of its creation,” he recalled.

Later, after Pakistan lost its Eastern wing, the 1973 Constitution laid down an updated set of rules for the quota system that remains in place till today.

“There should be no quota in Punjab to begin with. They have several competent candidates there who can compete on merit,” Khan said. He said the same applied to Karachi and most of K-P.

He did clarify, however, that exceptions could be made for some tribal areas of K-P and Balochistan.

Another retired Sindh chief secretary, Kunwar Idrees, said, “The quota system should be renamed the ministers’ quota system … What matters now is whether a minister is bent upon giving the jobs to his Mohajir, Sindhi or Pathan supporters,” he said.

Idrees also suggested reforms, saying a quota should be allocated to backward areas only, whether that’s Balochistan or Dera Ghazi Khan in Punjab.

However, he warned of the political ramifications of such a move. He recalled that language riots began when former prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto introduced a special quota system in Sindh. “…That is why the system gets extended after every few decades – no one wants to deal with those problems,” he said.

Former Inspector General of Sindh Afzal Shigri suggested that reforms should be made gradually. “One can increase the allocation of merit seats from the existing 10% to 20% and perhaps revise it again after another 10 or 20 years,” he said.

Sindh’s dilemma

The quota system in Sindh is different from the rest of the provinces. Within its share of 19 %, it is further sub-allocated into two parts: Urban areas; namely Karachi, Hyderabad and Sukkur [40 % of 19 %, or 7.6 %]; and rural areas [60 % of 19 %, or 11.4 %].

Idrees says it is because of this unique quota system in Sindh that any talk of reforms can spark riots between the Mohajir and Sindhi communities.

Muttahida Qaumi Movement lawmaker Waseem Akhtar says the party’s stance from the very beginning has been that the quota system creates discrimination and must be abolished.

Pakistan Peoples Party’s Taj Haider said that while the rationale of the quota system was to facilitate those who didn’t have adequate educational opportunities, the dilemma, he said, is that “our education system is producing ignorant people.”

The Express Tribune

Originally Posted by jbird

Very Valid Point. In reality obscurity in terms of Time and Assortment of Panel is frustrating for any candidate. Besides these are scores. other tests like Military or CAT MATS type do tell. Often, they have interview too. its mere the so called clandestine monkeying as you said my friend. We all know, nobody will point out the benefit he gets out this concealing. We will be more virtuous if we know facts. Real Facts. Besides if they disclose them whose going to dread the illustrious consort of panels and unfaltering pillars of Justice and fair play.



Very good opinion. But tell me one good reason, Has ever quality of competition eroded when people know from where to compensate. Students trying to compensate their weak point if make low mark in one portion and high at other.If a css candidate know his weakness of written or interview whats wrong in it. Besides, concept of luck does not remain that forceful to believe in then. Overconfidence or under-confidence on the basis of written is palatable reason but nobody is going to spoil everything if he know what it counts for.

We cant eliminate the point raised by Zuhaib sab that if anyone does monkey and favorites anyone ; who'll know? probably they notify it on FPSC website in bold....

Originally Posted by SA Haider

This may be true in some cases but if we see the this things as a whole then majority of the candidates will fail to gain the lost confidence due to shortage of marks. Because unlike very few elite schools have the psychologists from the class 1 and they train the students and improve their personality and in CSS majority of the candidates come from the background in which they have minimum financial resources and complexed family structure. All these things contribute to their mental aptitude.

But your other point of playing unfair game is valid. The rejection letter must be issued stating the reason for not falling into the selection criteria so that in the next attempt the candidate can improve that side.