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Now there should be no doubt and you won't need any petition against FPSC. Now cent percent sure that you are pass
And it means the number of passed candidates may reach to around 600.
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Now there should be no doubt and you won't need any petition against FPSC. Now cent percent sure that you are pass
And it means the number of passed candidates may reach to around 600.
In sha Allah brother. I always pray that my case should benefit the other aggrieved parties as well. And trust me a twist is still left in this so called CE-2013 result.
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In sha Allah brother. I always pray that my case should benefit the other aggrieved parties as well. And trust me a twist is still left in this so called CE-2013 result.
Yes brother now just waiting to hear form you the good news You+many candidates suffered a lot because of this blunder of FPSC. But sooner or later, you are going to be a CSP In sha Allah...
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Exactly. This is what i have been told by the director as well as my uncle who himself is the justice in supreme court. Yes its a screw up a big big screwup by fpsc. First faisalabad incident and now this. And above all they had the audacity to send us our dmcs without writing failed or passed or anything. Assuming that we are some 3rd graders or some sheeps who will accept these dmcs like zombies. Na we wont brother. Its time to take our rights from the throat of the fpsc.
No PMS ad has come in any newspaper in punjab. Fpsc declared a heart broken and unexpected result. is there any involvement of Prime Minister s order?
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Nate sir...can i visit FPSC Lahore office in this regard or it is must to go to Islamabad to address the issue??? N i dont have records of past failed candidates like you so how can i file my appeal without those facts???
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let us first revise and compare the rules for ce 2012 and ce 2013
CE-2012



ce-2013





now let us see what factors are involved to pass the whole exam.


there are four factors :
A . compulsory subject
B. optional subject
C. aggregate
D. viva voce


to pass the written and get interview call the conditions A,B,C are to be checked only. viva is a later process. so we ignore that on this stage .

let us make Truth Tables for the ce-2012 and ce-2013 and see what should be the criterion to pass as per stated rules .

for ce 2012 the condition is
"atleast 40% marks in any compulsory subject, 33% marks in any of
the optional subjects, or 50% marks in the Aggregate"

so the Boolean function should be " A and B or C"

Sir you are forming a conjunction of A with the disjunction B V C, both are truth functional connectives and I hope you know that a conjunction is only true when all of its conjuncts have same truth value and are true. In row 5 and 7, the truth value of A is false then how can the Truth Functional Compound statement A . B v C be True? The conjunction A . B v C would only be true when A is true and B v C is true separately and only then the whole conjunctive statement would be true. And it has got nothing to do with Boolean Interpretation, Bool has just discussed the problem of Existential Import when he discusses the Categorical Syllogism, this is Symbolic Logic and it has got nothing to do with Boolean Interpretation.
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Sir jee you just nailed it .. will definitely use this argument in front of the panel or in the court ...trust me fpsc will be shocked and awed
Brother he is trying to show you that you are mistaken, that argument is in favor of FPSC. However, my sincere prayers are with you, I can feel the dilemma that you are going through, have faith in Allah almighty, what is written in your fate by Allah, no FPSC or anyone else can deprive you from that.
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Sir you are forming a conjunction of A with the disjunction B V C, both are truth functional connectives and I hope you know that a conjunction is only true when all of its conjuncts have same truth value and are true. In row 5 and 7, the truth value of A is false then how can the Truth Functional Compound statement A . B v C be True? The conjunction A . B v C would only be true when A is true and B v C is true separately and only then the whole conjunctive statement would be true. And it has got nothing to do with Boolean Interpretation, Bool has just discussed the problem of Existential Import when he discusses the Categorical Syllogism, this is Symbolic Logic and it has got nothing to do with Boolean Interpretation.

Brother he is trying to show you that you are mistaken, that argument is in favor of FPSC. However, my sincere prayers are with you, I can feel the dilemma that you are going through, have faith in Allah almighty, what is written in your fate by Allah, no FPSC or anyone else can deprive you from that.
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Exactly that is the point which bear emphasized upon ...But in 2012 those who failed in compulsory or options and passed in aggregate then acc to the 11(i) rule they should have been declared passed and those who passed their compulsory and options but could not get above 600 they were also declared failed but in accordance to the rule again they should have been passed ...in a nutshell what @bear is saying that fpsc itself don't know their rules only this time they applied it ...for all the previous years they were in slumber ..so benefit of doubt and discrimination comes into play here

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Nate sir...can i visit FPSC Lahore office in this regard or it is must to go to Islamabad to address the issue??? N i dont have records of past failed candidates like you so how can i file my appeal without those facts???
brother you should call fpsc deposit Rs 250 For personal hearing and review to the fpsc and then wait for your case to be represented...and if one is not satisfied with the panel decision then we have our high courts at our disposal ...
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let us first revise and compare the rules for ce 2012 and ce 2013
CE-2012



ce-2013





now let us see what factors are involved to pass the whole exam.


there are four factors :
A . compulsory subject
B. optional subject
C. aggregate
D. viva voce


to pass the written and get interview call the conditions A,B,C are to be checked only. viva is a later process. so we ignore that on this stage .

let us make Truth Tables for the ce-2012 and ce-2013 and see what should be the criterion to pass as per stated rules .

for ce 2012 the condition is
"atleast 40% marks in any compulsory subject, 33% marks in any of
the optional subjects, or 50% marks in the Aggregate"

so the Boolean function should be " A and B or C"




for ce 2013 the condition is
"at least 40% marks in any compulsory subject, 33% marks in any of
the optional subjects, 50% marks in the Aggregate "

so the Boolean function should be " A and B and C"





you can see that fpsc violated its own rules in 2012 and in previous years ( according to what they said on their rules section.)
for example ,they were wrong at failing the candidates who passed 50% aggregate no matter what status they had in compulsory . Also they were wrong at failing those who passed all compulsory and all optional but got less than 50 % aggregate . ( you may seek help on Boolean functions from a philosopher or mathematician , because if "words " make "rules " then this above mentioned hypothesis will help you a lot in case you file a lawsuit or have a personal hearing )


ce-2013 rule according to Boolean function is very simple
its states that to get pass all three conditions need to get satisfied ,otherwise you shall be declared fail ( this is what happened to you . that this time they strictly followed the rule and went against the traditional customary law)


the long and short of this story is that their rules prior to 2013 were ambiguous . so you and the candidates of ce-2013 must get the benefit of doubt .


PS. to learn about truth tables ( which actually are very easy) see wikipedia and http://turner.faculty.swau.edu/mathe...library/truth/
i have presented the same argument in my earlier post. Though this time FPSC has acted as per it penned rules yet its past practices of deviating from its own stated rules can cause it great trouble and ultimately prove helpful to Nate and other students with similar case.
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