What actually happened?
 

Hello Guys!
Please tell, in your opinion, what actually happened with these subjects.

IR
GSA
and other targeted optional papers

this time.fpsc hit IR, GSA , Envrnmntl sci and agriculture...On the other hand they awarded sky high marks in gender studies, town planning....Now I think css have become a matter of luck... hardwork and consistancy are less prominent factors now as compared to luck factor and optional hitting trend... fpsc should have a balanced approach towards optional subjects..

now what to do, many aspirants passed both the English papers and flunked in IR alone.

Should we change the subjects; I am sure 70% of students will change their subjects after this drama by fpsc.

[QUOTE=Theodosius;1043673]now what to do, many aspirants passed both the English papers and flunked in IR alone.

Should we change the subjects; I am sure 70% of students will change their subjects after this drama by fpsc.[/QUOTE]

Theodosius I saw in a post that you did Masters in IR. Did you do it on regular basis or privately?

[QUOTE=fawadhash;1043677]Theodosius I saw in a post that you did Masters in IR. Did you do it on regular basis or privately?[/QUOTE]

I did it,privately, from Uni of Sargodha ,and taken 64% marks.
last time my marks were 113. I just do not understand the logic of their marking. Now I got just 12 marks in IR1 and 56 in IR2

[QUOTE=Theodosius;1043679]I did it,privately, from Uni of Sargodha ,and taken 64% marks.
last time my marks were 113 in IR. I just do not understand the logic of their marking. Now I got just 12 marks in IR1 and 56 in IR2[/QUOTE]

Ahh I see. Same here. I also did MA IR privately from Sargodha university although I got only 55% marks. I was really alarmed that how could a person who has done regular MA IR score that low in IR 1.
In end, IR was targeted this year, and checker was seeking certain kind of opinion and anyone who couldn't fall within the rigid expectation got hurt.

[B][QUOTE]In end, IR was targeted this year, and checker was seeking certain kind of opinion[/QUOTE][/B]

It could be a possibility, and who told examiners, across the country, about that specific opinion; Fpsc :blink

However, I think they have placed a cut in IRI let say they decreased every student's marks by 40 or 30 ,who knows!

I believe there is a single checker for one optional or paper. Someone with exact knowledge can set the record straight if I am wrong.

now my final attempt is remain but i decided to quit this exam.I am mechanical engineer and no need of this stupid service which have no regard for candidate.How they check my paper.I am graduate from better university and they again failed me.There is enough opportunities avaliable in my field and i already have call from many industries but i decided to continue with this exam as i already waste my time on this exam.My parent wants me to give this exam.I already know criteria of fpsc as they passed less candidate.Mechanical engineer have good salariess and there is no of this exam.It is guide from me for any one who give css exam.Don't waste your time on this exam and there is no need of frustration after this exam.It is problem with fpsc so don't give blame to themselve after fail.Csp created in 1950 and has same norms used by british.Court,police,engish language all is inherited from british.This colonial mentality never ended and don't belittle yourself after this exam.There are people who still called fpsc as superb institution.It meant that they didn't still taught lesson.When they give three attempt after that they automatically known reality of fpsc.

[QUOTE=Theodosius;1043679]I did it,privately, from Uni of Sargodha ,and taken 64% marks.
last time my marks were 113. I just do not understand the logic of their marking. Now I got just 12 marks in IR1 and 56 in IR2[/QUOTE]



there is no reason.These people are lacking mental perception.They didn't know how to check paper.First time my marks in political science is 42 and 39.My preperation is very bad even i prepare this paper before one day of exam.I prepare few topic and even i attempt question wrongly.My mcqs were wrong and still they give me these marks.This time i expect 78 and 50 marks as i know i got those marks without preparation but they only giva me 12 and 20 marks.Political science even previous time less scoring when i got score without preparation.So there is no criteria of checking therefore i decided to skip this exam.One thing i mention here about federation question of political science that pakistan failed to solve federation problem that separate bangladesh from pakistan.Bangladesh is not separated only due to election problem but federation problem is main reason.West pakistan popuation is 45% which is less than population of east pakistan that has popuation on of 55%.So proper allocation of resources to bangladesh is their right.This thing is not mention in book from where i do preparation.I write against the state therefore they gave me these marks.Therefore i didn't give this exam again in which reality has no importance.fpsc is psycho minded
institution.

[QUOTE=akkk;1043700]now my final attempt is remain but i decided to quit this exam.I am mechanical engineer and no need of this stupid service which have no regard for candidate.How they check my paper.I am graduate from better university and they again failed me.There is enough opportunities avaliable in my field and i already have call from many industries but i decided to continue with this exam as i already waste my time on this exam.My parent wants me to give this exam.I already know criteria of fpsc as they passed less candidate.Mechanical engineer have good salariess and there is no of this exam.It is guide from me for any one who give css exam.Don't waste your time on this exam and there is no need of frustration after this exam.It is problem with fpsc so don't give blame to themselve after fail.Csp created in 1950 and has same norms used by british.Court,police,engish language all is inherited from british.This colonial mentality never ended and don't belittle yourself after this exam.There are people who still called fpsc as superb institution.It meant that they didn't still taught lesson.When they give three attempt after that they automatically known reality of fpsc.[/QUOTE]
You are right dear ...those who worked very hard got very low scores .it means here hard work does not matter and very unexpected marks

[QUOTE=akkk;1043700]now my final attempt is remain but i decided to quit this exam.I am mechanical engineer and no need of this stupid service which have no regard for candidate.How they check my paper.I am graduate from better university and they again failed me.There is enough opportunities avaliable in my field and i already have call from many industries but i decided to continue with this exam as i already waste my time on this exam.My parent wants me to give this exam.I already know criteria of fpsc as they passed less candidate.Mechanical engineer have good salariess and there is no of this exam.It is guide from me for any one who give css exam.Don't waste your time on this exam and there is no need of frustration after this exam.It is problem with fpsc so don't give blame to themselve after fail.Csp created in 1950 and has same norms used by british.Court,police,engish language all is inherited from british.This colonial mentality never ended and don't belittle yourself after this exam.There are people who still called fpsc as superb institution.It meant that they didn't still taught lesson.When they give three attempt after that they automatically known reality of fpsc.[/QUOTE]
bhai jan apki angrezi say pata chl raha hai k apnay ketni struggle ki hai css k lye .
Moreover ,I disagree with u that the major cause of every aspirant's failure is FPSC .
Yes i agree that css is uncertain to sommmme extent but one should not blame others (FPSC in this case ) for one's failures .FPSC is not rigged .We ,the aspirants ,need to work hard again and again (if one wants to achieve what he/she wants ) .luck favors the one who is prepared in a best possible way ..U dnt have the right to discourage other students unless u can afford the luxury to to so..
.MAy allah bless u with some optimism and success in your career .

Regards

akkk, You need to improve your English first and then you would get the legitimate right to criticize FPSC.

Yes, CSS is a battle of luck. Essay/Precis mei luck and then Optionals ke scoring trend mei luck hai. This is quite unfortunate!

People with elite preparation got 60s, 70s in IR this time around while ppl with horrible preparation ended up getting 70s in Gender studies. This is unacceptable. The mean across all optional subjects should be the same. This whimsical scoring trend needs to be eliminated as well.

@akkk I don't intend to discourage you but your English is not up to the level of CSS exam. That is the only reason for your failure.

FPSC isn't a perfect institution(I don't even believe they are free of corruption, there is hardly any institute in Pakistan that functions properly). We can't expect them to be fair just like many other things in this country.

I have been on the forum for a few years now and its so common to see people talk of trends and luck factor. When someone gets good marks everyone starts asking which books they used and what their strategy was. This is useful to an extent but I feel many overdo it.

Also, forming opinions like 'examiner wanted a specific point of view' is rubbish. Or too many people opted for it so they decided to slaughter them. I agree that there is a lack of uniformity in awarding of marks(compare this to OLevels where examiners point out what was expected for each and every mark in the exam). But there is no reason why a subject should be targeted by FPSC. So what if people get more marks? They have to interview more people? That is hardly an issue for them.

Also worth noting is that the examiners themselves in their comments repeatedly point out the flaws in Pakistan's education system. You are expected to produce a quality in CSS that you are not trained for. Many fail in that because they never knew the right approach.

Another request that I have to my fellow aspirants is not to read too much into other people's marks. I know IR1 produced unbelievably low scores. But how do we know that? How many people have posted their scores here? 20? 30? 50? Is that a big enough sample to assume that the examiner was crazy? No, its not. Don't forget that we only know the marks of the failed candidates. Stop making assumptions just by looking at a few DMCs.

I would request you all to leave the trend and luck crap. Trend is nonsense and luck, though it does exist, exists in all fields of life. Just do your prep, believe in your strengths instead of other's and give your exam.

i know that how to improve english and sentence structure so don't give me lecture of english.If any one want to improve his english.They read dawn news and any of other article and write its in own word.It automatically improve his english.If it is only exam of english then i didn't considered this exam if you people want to debate with me only on engish not on knowing any thing about their respective field.It is better for you people to leave study.I didn't discourage anyone to leave css.If anyone attempt css.They must given this exam.But their checking policy is not transparent.It is foreign language so i didn't give importance to language.Knowledge will make you different from other people not english.

I don't intend to take pleasure in your failures, and my post was in general, not directed at you(except the first line). You are again taking the wrong approach to CSS.

[QUOTE]It is foreign language so i didn't give importance to language.Knowledge will make you different from other people not english.[/QUOTE]

This is wrong when it comes to CSS. English is the basic tool that you need for this exam. Knowledge is good, but it hardly means anything if you can't express it properly. No one can look into your brain, it is upto you to show people what knowledge you have and you do that through language. You can do that through Urdu as well but that is not going to take you far in CSS.

I am also an engineer like you and its a great field. Wish you best of luck in your life.

Novemberksyie Scoring trend is not nonsense. It's a fact. We can't turn a blind eye to it.

And all these people who are scoring 70s and 80s in Gender Studies, do you think they wrote quality stuff? No, they were just lucky this time around. People who had marks in 80s in Environmental Science even failed to touch the 50 mark. Not because they didn't write quality answers or they wrote crammed stuff. This is all because of scoring trend. This is a horrible thing that needs to end.

Also, the luck element cannot be swept under the rug in Essay and Precis. There is a reason why 5000 people pass precis in a year and the very next year, only 742 manage to pass it.

Scoring trend may be debatable. But luck in precis? How?

The first two questions are purely based on your precis and comprehension skill. You will see an unseen passage and will be asked to summarize it or answer questions based on it. Those answers require skill and nothing else.

The only parts I can imagine where luck plays a role are analogy and word pairs. If you don't know the meaning of the word, its hard to answer(though by no means impossible). Still, you have to attempt 5 out of the 8 parts. This is just how exams are. You won't see everything you have prepared(though we are used to it because our exams contain questions from the books we use). There are people taking 20-25 marks in precis paper and others saying this is all down to luck. Its not.

[QUOTE=gintino;1043815]Novemberksyie Scoring trend is not nonsense. It's a fact. We can't turn a blind eye to it.[/QUOTE]

On a lighter note, you've done a horrible job of writing my username :nono

[QUOTE=gintino;1043815]And all these people who are scoring 70s and 80s in Gender Studies, do you think they wrote quality stuff? No, they were just lucky this time around. [/QUOTE]

I have seen that myself and of course its hard to turn a blind eye to it. But my point is, it is not something that is in our control. So wasting time over it is useless. If you can give me a proven way of knowing which subjects will score high the next time around, I will be happy to follow the scoring trend. But the truth is IR getting slaughtered is no guarantee that it will be scoring the next time and GS giving great scores doesn't guarantee a slaughtering the next time. And that is my point. it may well exist, but using it without any proven knowledge is like playing Bingo and then blaming the FPSC for not calling the number you needed for the bingo.

I agree with the views of Gintino & Norymberskie.

[B]My Analysis:[/B]
I scored 73 in Gender Studies with preparation of a day or two whereas I scored 30 in Psychology with the same one or two days preparation. I was expecting about 50 marks in Gender Studies but due to high scoring trend of this subject this year, i got 73 marks. On the other hand, I chose psychology due to its high scoring trend (till last year) and my interest in it. But when I saw the DMCs of PMS this year in which the sudden downfall of the scoring trend of psychology occured, I immediately perceived that if the same thing will happen in CSS this year then I would be fail in it because I could not perform good in the paper. Therefore, I would say that there is 40% role of your preparation (i.e. hard work + aptitude) and 60% of scoring trend (or luck) in your marks. So, I derived an equation:

40% * Preparation + 60% * Scoring trend = Your marks :D

[CENTER]This is just my assumption
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[QUOTE=akkk;1043771]there is no reason.These people are lacking mental perception.They didn't know how to check paper.First time my marks in political science is 42 and 39.My preperation is very bad even i prepare this paper before one day of exam.I prepare few topic and even i attempt question wrongly.My mcqs were wrong and still they give me these marks.This time i expect 78 and 50 marks as i know i got those marks without preparation but they only giva me 12 and 20 marks.Political science even previous time less scoring when i got score without preparation.So there is no criteria of checking therefore i decided to skip this exam.One thing i mention here about federation question of political science that pakistan failed to solve federation problem that separate bangladesh from pakistan.Bangladesh is not separated only due to election problem but federation problem is main reason.West pakistan popuation is 45% which is less than population of east pakistan that has popuation on of 55%.So proper allocation of resources to bangladesh is their right.This thing is not mention in book from where i do preparation.I write against the state therefore they gave me these marks.Therefore i didn't give this exam again in which reality has no importance.fpsc is psycho minded
institution.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Norymberskie;1043803]I don't intend to take pleasure in your failures, and my post was in general, not directed at you(except the first line). You are again taking the wrong approach to CSS.



This is wrong when it comes to CSS. English is the basic tool that you need for this exam. Knowledge is good, but it hardly means anything if you can't express it properly. No one can look into your brain, it is upto you to show people what knowledge you have and you do that through language. You can do that through Urdu as well but that is not going to take you far in CSS.

I am also an engineer like you and its a great field. Wish you best of luck in your life.[/QUOTE]


aap nai jo baat kehi hai mai ais sai agree kurtah hu kai written expression baut important hai css mai apnay aap ko express kurnai kai liyai aap ki baat samajh aanai waali hai pur yaha kuch aisay baifazool log jo bughair sochay samjhay keh rehay hai kai englsih expression sai lugtah hai kitni tyari hogi
mai jis jagah gya hu jub mai nai opinion deliver kya hai koi bi disagree nahi hua aaj tuk aur yeh meri likhnai ka tareeqa hai papers mai check kur lo
It is one of the controversial topic that is given by examiner.If holy war condemned indiscrminate killing then crusade do same by destruction of muslim and jews to spread christinanity.They have same motive as now ttp and isis who spread islam on basis of sword.If we cann't called these modern war as holy war in which religion is still used as tool to incresed their hegemony over other countries.Then there is no difference between nationalist war that instigated by hitler who impressed by national cultur of germany.Fascist do same as done by hitler to spread their agenda on basis of force to bow down people.They are not impressed by any religious education.Every war has two direction.Taliban that is created by pakistan ,saudi arab,usa to overcome influence of soviet union.Taliban govern over afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 on basis of sharia.After 9/11 attack america fought war to increased their hegemony over afghanistan and middle east by giving name of these war a war against terrorism.They raped so many woman,Killed so many people.They have not any religious purpose as similar to crusade who fought war in name of jesus christ.Taliban that is created during soviet era now fought war for relIgious purposes.War in afghanistan for taliban is holy war and america is fought this war to increased their hegemony so it is not holy war for america.Some writer called its holy war,some called its mixture of holy war as well as not holy war and some called its not holy war.So it is controversial topics.Now it is up to examiner what he considered these war.Relevancy is part of essay topic but i see outline of people who didn't hit topic from point asked in exam.They fisrt discussed history of topic and then discussed point that asked in exam.Still they passed exam.I saw candidate who write essay on war against terrorism create abuses .He first discussed histroy of war against terrorism and then discussed abuses.Still he passed exam.I pick out so many error in outline but people still passed exam.So main thing is your convincing argument that is matched with examiner.Are modern war not holy war is one of the most controversial topic.Still many debate on this topic mai hamesha simple language mai likhta hu difficult word use nahi kurtah aur purnai waalai ko samajh aah jaatah hai ais mai grammatical mistake hogi pur woh mai nai essay mai nahi ki hai mai nai yaha english ki baat hi nahi ki mai nai kaha kai ais dafa political science kai paper mai mujhay kum number diyai preparation kai saath aur pichli daafa kuch kya hi nahi tau phir bi number aaghay
fpsc ki policy transparent nahi hai aur raha sawal css ka tau aisay gatiya paper mai nahi dai suktah mujhay patah hai jo mujhay aatah hai aur yeh cheaper insitution ki koi importance nahi apni mechanical ki field best hai lakin ha mai aap ki ais baat sai agree kurtah hu