Why did you fail in Interview (aka Viva-voce)?

[redmax]

Dear Friends,

There are as many as 83 candidates who failed in CE-2011 Interview/Viva ONLY. Besides, there are a number of candidates with extraordinary score in written part but miserably low score in Interview. Here's what I suggest could be the reasons for low score as well as failure. I hope it will benefit those who are appearing again as well as fresh entrants to learn from the mistakes of the others.










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Regards,

[roijen]

baqi sab to theek hai.but this doesnt explain that in one year how students (aspirants) changed? i', alluding to THE trend.i am sure those going for interview must have in mind 'kuch bhi ho jaye interview main har koi pass hai'.

sir agar ap k ird gird koi real examples mojood hoto un se pooch kar batain k asal main huwa kia tha and how they justiy that they didnt qualify?

PS: phir fpsc ka farsooda tareeka kar. jo fail huway unki bhi security clearance karte phirte hongay?

[NASR KHAN]

Originally Posted by redmax

Dear Friends,

There are as many as 83 candidates who failed in CE-2011 Interview/Viva ONLY. Besides, there are a number of candidates with extraordinary score in written part but miserably low score in Interview. Here's what I suggest could be the reasons for low score as well as failure. I hope it will benefit those who are appearing again as well as fresh entrants to learn from the mistakes of the others.










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Regards,

Great work done! a great learning for all

[DEADLYDOCTOR]

With due respect to all,
Redmax there are many reasons of failure. panels' view cannot be understood.
aspirants with 700+ scored less,merely 100-140

others who failed with 700+ were told at the beginning of interview that they are below average:
http://www.cssforum.com.pk/393167-post6.html
mr.mohsin scored 120 in interview and the other guy failed in interview(he scored 700+ though in written)
panel has made a view before the viva was conducted and gave marks accordingly

BD mentioned at CSA during his visit that he was not giving importance to psychological assessment.
now there are so many examples and unpredictable and very difficult to understand results are there.

what about the case of a guy who scored 165 in 2011,and same panel gave him 202 in 2009. what has changed?personality,attitude,psychological report?interview by same panel in same way with different scores.one can find many such examples also
and yes this year's result has put a big question mark on FPSC's transparency. though there were doubts and question marks in 2010 but in 2011 those question marks have deepened.
those who are css aspirants and went through the whole process know this difference .
so this cannot be said that in interview or in fact in written it was aspirants' fault.the standard ,the criteria were compromised.

[redmax]

Originally Posted by DEADLYDOCTOR

With due respect to all,
Redmax there are many reasons of failure. panels' view cannot be understood.
aspirants with 700+ scored less,merely 100-140

others who failed with 700+ were told at the beginning of interview that they are below average:
http://www.cssforum.com.pk/393167-post6.html
mr.mohsin scored 120 in interview and the other guy failed in interview(he scored 700+ though in written)
panel has made a view before the viva was conducted and gave marks accordingly

BD mentioned at CSA during his visit that he was not giving importance to psychological assessment.
now there are so many examples and unpredictable and very difficult to understand results are there.

what about the case of a guy who scored 165 in 2011,and same panel gave him 202 in 2009. what has changed?personality,attitude,psychological report?interview by same panel in same way with different scores.one can find many such examples also
and yes this year's result has put a big question mark on FPSC's transparency. though there were doubts and question marks in 2010 but in 2011 those question marks have deepened.
those who are css aspirants and went through the whole process know this difference .
so this cannot be said that in interview or in fact in written it was aspirants' fault.the standard ,the criteria were compromised.

1. We, as a nation, suffer from a 'Complaint-on-every-situation syndrome'. No matter what we are bestowed with, we'll still be ungrateful. That's in the blood now!


2. FPSC is not perfect. Neither is any other examination system in the world. Ask Americans, Indians & Chinese.

3. It's not only RBD who decides the Interview Score. He has at his discretion 150 marks while other two members have 75 each. Accusing him of bias and prejudice is sheer injustice to his person and repute both. If you have evidence against him, bring it forth.

The bureaucrats we have today in the offices & fields both were selected years ago when Mr. RBD was serving in the judiciary. Who had compromised the criteria & standards back then?

Let us STOP living in a fool's paradise where everyone believes s/he is more competent and learned than the panel interviewing him/her.

The problem is that it's too easy to blame others - too hard to see our own faults.

If you have problems with the panel,
A) Don't sit in the examination/appear for viva
B) File & suit and prove your them incompetent
C) Solve your problems before reappearing before the same panel.

I hope it helps.

Regards,

[DEADLYDOCTOR]

Originally Posted by redmax

1. We, as a nation, suffer from a 'Complaint-on-every-situation syndrome'. No matter what we are bestowed with, we'll still be ungrateful. That's in the blood now!


2. FPSC is not perfect. Neither is any other examination system in the world. Ask Americans, Indians & Chinese.

3. It's not only RBD who decides the Interview Score. He has at his discretion 150 marks while other two members have 75 each. Accusing him of bias and prejudice is sheer injustice to his person and repute both. If you have evidence against him, bring it forth.

The bureaucrats we have today in the offices & fields both were selected years ago when Mr. RBD was serving in the judiciary. Who had compromised the criteria & standards back then?

Let us STOP living in a fool's paradise where everyone believes s/he is more competent and learned than the panel interviewing him/her.

The problem is that it's too easy to blame others - too hard to see our own faults.

If you have problems with the panel,
A) Don't sit in the examination/appear for viva
B) File & suit and prove your them incompetent
C) Solve your problems before reappearing before the same panel.

I hope it helps.

Regards,

well said redmax

i like your statements:
'Complaint-on-every-situation syndrome,
STOP living in a fool's paradise'

FPSC is not perfect. Neither is any other examination system in the world
many international exam systems are far better and have less ambiguity ,uncertainty and unpredictability.

same panel,same candidate,same psychological and different scores are not even near to normal what to say of perfect.
same preparation,same input in exams but different marks (low/high scoring factor or examiner factor).

i can quote here USMLE,PLAB,SAT,GRE,AMC,GMAT,LSAT etc so many international exams in which one gets approximately or even exact marks or percentage according to his/her preparation.even indian exams are far better.
CSS exams are....were better in the past,when standards and criteria were not compromised. but 2010 & 11................

It's not only RBD who decides the Interview Score. He has at his discretion 150 marks while other two members have 75 each. Accusing him of bias and prejudice is sheer injustice to his person and repute both. If you have evidence against him, bring it forth.

this distribution is not valid.they also have discussions regarding giving final marks to aspirants in interview.i have quoted examples where panel has already made mind before the viva according to psychological report. i have not accused RBD only but the whole panel. his statements regarding psychological assessment are on the record,ask anyone from 39th commons.


The problem is that it's too easy to blame others - too hard to see our own faults.

If you have problems with the panel,
A) Don't sit in the examination/appear for viva
B) File & suit and prove your them incompetent
C) Solve your problems before reappearing before the same panel.


yes,it is very easy to blame others and hard to see our own faults even if OURS is a society ,system or whatever . rightly said sir.

a guy who scored 200+ with the same panel has not solved his problems and reappeared to get only 165.

one passes this exams thinks it fair and does not bother on commenting faults or flaws or favouritism. even in top 100,there are aspirants who are victims of strange and unpredictable marking.

accepting defeat is not a problem but learning mistakes or faults in ourselves or in the system is a different thing.status quo is a better option always.

i cannot quote here examples because i don't have proof/evidence but people in 39th commons and even few in css-2011 know what i am talking about. evidence is needed to prove strange marks in interviews and now even in written. Personality,confidence,attitudes and many other things don't support those marks.

anyhow, i end this here because i don't have proofs or evidence.
Regards

[redmax]

Originally Posted by DEADLYDOCTOR

well said redmax

i like your statements:
'Complaint-on-every-situation syndrome,
STOP living in a fool's paradise'

FPSC is not perfect. Neither is any other examination system in the world
many international exam systems are far better and have less ambiguity ,uncertainty and unpredictability.

same panel,same candidate,same psychological and different scores are not even near to normal what to say of perfect.
same preparation,same input in exams but different marks (low/high scoring factor or examiner factor).

i can quote here USMLE,PLAB,SAT,GRE,AMC,GMAT,LSAT etc so many international exams in which one gets approximately or even exact marks or percentage according to his/her preparation.even indian exams are far better.
CSS exams are....were better in the past,when standards and criteria were not compromised. but 2010 & 11................

It's not only RBD who decides the Interview Score. He has at his discretion 150 marks while other two members have 75 each. Accusing him of bias and prejudice is sheer injustice to his person and repute both. If you have evidence against him, bring it forth.

this distribution is not valid.they also have discussions regarding giving final marks to aspirants in interview.i have quoted examples where panel has already made mind before the viva according to psychological report. i have not accused RBD only but the whole panel. his statements regarding psychological assessment are on the record,ask anyone from 39th commons.


The problem is that it's too easy to blame others - too hard to see our own faults.

If you have problems with the panel,
A) Don't sit in the examination/appear for viva
B) File & suit and prove your them incompetent
C) Solve your problems before reappearing before the same panel.


yes,it is very easy to blame others and hard to see our own faults even if OURS is a society ,system or whatever . rightly said sir.

a guy who scored 200+ with the same panel has not solved his problems and reappeared to get only 165.

one passes this exams thinks it fair and does not bother on commenting faults or flaws or favouritism. even in top 100,there are aspirants who are victims of strange and unpredictable marking.

accepting defeat is not a problem but learning mistakes or faults in ourselves or in the system is a different thing.status quo is a better option always.

i cannot quote here examples because i don't have proof/evidence but people in 39th commons and even few in css-2011 know what i am talking about. evidence is needed to prove strange marks in interviews and now even in written. Personality,confidence,attitudes and many other things don't support those marks.

anyhow, i end this here because i don't have proofs or evidence.
Regards

If the questions are not the same, answers shouldn't be same either. Right? If someone got 200 with one set of questions, one fine dress code, personality, attitude etc etc etc and 165 with another set of questions, with some obvious changes in dress code, attitude and outlook etc etc etc, where does the discrepancy lie (if any) ? Does it lie with the panel since they changed the questions this time or with the candidate because he had to face different questions & obviously wear a different outfit?

For your kind info, the interview panel was NOT the same this year. Mr. Suhail Safdar who had interviewed ce-2009 & ce-2010 candidates had retired before the interviews began. A new member was thus included in the panel.

Once again you claim the distribution of interview marks among the panel is not valid. Would you like to substantiate it?

P.S [I would prefer discussing about Interview marks & observation only since the thread lies under Interview head. Elsewhere, we can have discussion about scoring pattern in written too.]

Regards,

[DEADLYDOCTOR]

@redmax
thank you for increasing my kind info

as i already mentioned above. i have no proof or evidence so i cannot substantiate anything.voice of reason is not always what it appears to be.

i end it here again on the same note that i have no proof and so cannot prove anything,rest will result in useless debate without evidence.

[jbird]

Well Redmax You have pretty good style of saying things. But the options you had given like do not sit in exam file suit,solve your problems. About panel competency. I feel the options you gave are they really sensible? Do you think anyone one would listen to people with Interview "justice meted out". Would any court will ever stigmatize RBD as incompetent to judge CSS Candidate?. I understand your faith and "reverence" for him. But tell you truth your commetn is left handed Biases are there. Elderly do make mistakes and cover them for their seniority

and about not giving exam I do not think I should even comment on it.

Many people who fetched good marks in interview will certainly disagree when I ask to juxtapose the interview of 200+/600s and 100+/700s . They will question the similarity of their interviews and bring attitudes psychometics and other things. Cool arsenal. Deadly Doctor, rightly said about the credibility and even the capracious attitude of RBD. He is human? Is he not? Serving in Judiciary does not purge him into an angel with big white feathers? His perception can be faulty. Now proof evidence. dear I challenge if the all interview were recorded and presented to a really incompetent authority. The court room would laugh and would see in awe how they are deciding the fates. what type of evidence do you think we can provide? can you contest ISSB, or any international exam. let alone simple BISE.How many chances of fair trial.

We have only epidemological data and this alone you have. We ask to compare it. and you simply invoke upon the very competent ministers of justice that they are right. every 700+ was kind of unable to perform . this is humorous. if you come on psychology let me explain you. suppose you are interviewer, 600s candidate appear before. You find something unusual occult out world thing in him which is waiting to be tapped by you. who personality would have been lopsided without its discovery. He had good communication "skills" and lot of things that moved RBd along with the gem he had which is missing in lot of people. Now comes 700s bracket man. Having qualified in primitive nature of human being say it hard work. which is quite common. So belittling thing which in comparison with gem which you find a person who was not able secure good marks. Good scorer of interview call it attitude, positivism, restraint, confidence all psychological market soap which is as well depicted in the cartoon,may i say. Our reponses to angry animal are naturally similar. but when we go to RBD who is beyond any prejudice who does not feel exhausted and who maintsained the canons of equality on justice on his shoulders. flanked with him is Saud Goher and Mian sab. the arches of course. It makes me feel funny when I see that people scoring 600+ are all sudden so skilled to bridle the panel and are very confident, or if he was so moved to find that particular gem which we have not. Handwork was not just the category which he think is worth of any of his esteemed fancy. People do handwork from time Eon but "Gem" is something which low performer of written has and high performer has not. Gem is compound of psychological traits which alone are benchmark to seriously decide the fate of an "industrious" candidate . 5 is greater than 4 we cant say 5 is greater in size cosmetic appearance. 4 is less. its simple maths. its clear that 600+ and 700+ are different in exam in which everyone had opportunity and given fair chance. But what in interview. if some kind of zealous attempt is made to contrast the conservative thinking of panel by a 700s Candidate. he is taken as over smart , undesirable. Not Good. ha ha.
If the same does 600s Candidate well done Stupendous. how original how creative. the evidence for it is experience which you have to trust. I shared an answer of question regarding Israel acceptance a radical explanation by me was killed by RBD And same radical answer by my friend was lauded by comment Gentleman you answer is ingenuous. he truthfully told me he photostatted my opinion he scored good marks. Now everyone will say his overall interview will be different than me. "Of course" but just check the replies the contrast in responses. Its indeed funny when you refresh in mind the Gem. Obviously I lacked that and he had in it. and my friend says," He simply liked it." and lets take another example an already servant scores 220+ or even ++ He has better of everything which we have not. its ridiculous. Interview were roughly same. Who admits that he dropped questions or the questions he answered were right. The new "atmosphere" might have trimmed them to excellence, which we "lacked" and the perception of panel was so robust that they isolated the key Majon and they showered riches to their point of views which were unthinkable and very thought provoking.

Much can be said on it. Here is another thing a person who had crises in life. Abandoned excellent careers which psychologists and perhaps panel wanted their offspring to be. Their biasedness can not be quantified . They were infuriated that people abandoning such resplendent career to join civil service. they must be some delinquent souls. because they are not doctors engineers or CAs or they just did not want to be. they just "examined' ones on the basis of their psychological perceptions and yes I must say biases which they do not understand themselves and they penalize you for this.

In nutshell Redmax I like you. but not your arguments you can never substantiate 200+ marks of same person getting 165. do not you able to see that the person was given the tag of 200+ earlier to stamp that his psychological traits and educational acumen is up to the mark. 165 he gets this time for different clothes and different responses he gives in comparison with person with mighty big gem scoring in 600s. it laughable not what can I say noddable. perhaps many 700+ resent on this what was in his mind when he knew he could be in top 4 5. and he flunked them out of allocation list to accomodate 600s Gemy people .

I did not mean to attack on personal basis anyone not RBD. its controversy . Deadly doctor is true in his saying.
Panel is human. with wishes biases and prejudices as we have when we advocate for 700+. its true. if knowledge fails to substantiate your success and your so called interview performance where you "overcame" Rbd is simply sham.
the long and short. Interview was prejudiced!

[mani1]

If you are so sure that there was bias or prejudice involved in the interview why dont you go ahead and file a writ petition or something?