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Talha Majeed Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:52 PM

Aspirants opting European history for CSS-2016
 
How many aspirants are opting European history for css-2016. Report here.

mrdon Friday, September 11, 2015 03:27 PM

I am
 
I am going to do preparations for it.
What is your selection?
This is my first attempt, one of my friend( who attempted CSS 2013 and CSS 2014 ) says it is really difficult to remember events, dates etc.

Talha Majeed Friday, September 11, 2015 07:58 PM

[QUOTE=mrdon;861212]I am going to do preparations for it.
What is your selection?
This is my first attempt, one of my friend( who attempted CSS 2013 and CSS 2014 ) says it is really difficult to remember events, dates etc.[/QUOTE]

It is lengthy. I recently studied it from v.d mahajan. I did not find book of h.l.peacock.how you are going to prepare. Kindly share it with me.

Zainab S Friday, September 11, 2015 11:20 PM

I am considering this subject however I am currently figuring out which history course out of E.H, British history and US history has shortest syllabus.

Chaudhry Sahab Saturday, September 12, 2015 02:58 AM

In my opinion, if you have opted for international relations then European history is the best bet because many of the topics overlap. Regardless, it is an interesting subject.

Zarinoor Saturday, September 12, 2015 11:08 AM

What about opting he International relation if one has no background?

Talha Majeed Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:44 PM

European History is lengthy but it overlaps some portion of International Relations.

Talha Majeed Saturday, September 12, 2015 07:04 PM

But my question is regarding preparation strategy

Cogito Ergo Sum Saturday, September 12, 2015 11:46 PM

I opted E. H. in my 2015 attempt. Still regretting it. :)
Hoping that it would not do as much damage to me as it did to some of my seniors who opted it. Personally, I opted it because I found it interesting. Later I came to know that its examiners can never be satisfied. People get average marks even with excellent preparation and brilliant performances in exam.

If you're still deciding to go for it, okay then. I can help regarding its preparation. I allocated maximum time to this subject during my preparation. I would be glad if I could be of any help.

Talha Majeed Sunday, September 13, 2015 12:01 PM

From which book did you prepare European History ?

Cogito Ergo Sum Sunday, September 13, 2015 01:36 PM

I used V. D. Mahajan for the most part. Along with it, I also studied David Thomson. But I think VDM is enough for 80% of the topics. For a few topics (~20%), D. Thom. is a better choice. Lastly, I made ample use of internet. And with the change in syllabus, recent historical developments (post-1960) will have to be covered from the internet as well, or some new book.

Talha Majeed Sunday, September 13, 2015 03:41 PM

[QUOTE=Cogito Ergo Sum;861843]I used V. D. Mahajan for the most part. Along with it, I also studied David Thomson. But I think VDM is enough for 80% of the topics. For a few topics (~20%), D. Thom. is a better choice. Lastly, I made ample use of internet. And with the change in syllabus, recent historical developments (post-1960) will have to be covered from the internet as well, or some new book.[/QUOTE]

I have studied whole book of V.D Mahajan. But it seems some topics are missing in this book according to new syllabus

Cogito Ergo Sum Sunday, September 13, 2015 06:28 PM

[QUOTE=Talha Majeed;861880]I have studied whole book of V.D Mahajan. But it seems some topics are missing in this book according to new syllabus[/QUOTE]
For example which topics do you think are missing in it? Name a few so I may recommend accordingly.

Talha Majeed Sunday, September 13, 2015 07:10 PM

[QUOTE=Cogito Ergo Sum;861967]For example which topics do you think are missing in it? Name a few so I may recommend accordingly.[/QUOTE]

Related to European Union from 1990 till 2012.
What about book of H.L Peacock. It is in recommended books also. Rest everything is in V.D Mahajan

Cogito Ergo Sum Sunday, September 13, 2015 07:32 PM

[QUOTE=Talha Majeed;861977]Related to European Union from 1990 till 2012.
What about book of H.L Peacock. It is in recommended books also. Rest everything is in V.D Mahajan[/QUOTE]

If you re-read my comment where I told you the books I studied, you will notice that I have said in the last sentence that syllabus has changed and that might necessitate extra study. According to the old syllabus, 1789-1960 was the period to be covered, not beyond it. So, I cannot guide you about a thing which I myself haven't studied. But, in any case, I recommend that you cover this period from online resources. If you can find a proper book, that is best. Otherwise, use internet.

Zainab S Thursday, September 17, 2015 04:56 PM

Hey Cogito. I am in a similar position as you were. I like E.H. and I find it very interesting. I was thinking of going with it, esp since I don't know abc of US history and know only bits and pieces of B.H. Your post confirmed my suspicion. I saw some similar posts from other people in E.H section.
I don't think I should gamble over it. If you were in in my place, which history you would have gone for instead of this?

Cogito Ergo Sum Thursday, September 17, 2015 06:00 PM

[QUOTE=Zainab S;863789]Hey Cogito. I am in a similar position as you were. I like E.H. and I find it very interesting. I was thinking of going with it, esp since I don't know abc of US history and know only bits and pieces of B.H. Your post confirmed my suspicion. I saw some similar posts from other people in E.H section.
I don't think I should gamble over it. If you were in in my place, which history you would have gone for instead of this?[/QUOTE]
If you have already covered all the other optionals, choose B. H. That is the only history which still fetches a relatively good score (emphasis on 'relatively'—because histories in general are being discouraged as far as scoreing trends are concerned). If you have other optionals yet to study, and you have to choose one history subject, then go for US. Its syllabus can be covered in a relatively shorter time (again, emphasis on 'relatively').

Zainab S Friday, September 18, 2015 08:42 PM

Hmmm I see.
This is tough then. I keep searching to make a decision. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

Talha Majeed Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:25 AM

If you have not studied European history up till now. and you have less time for preparation for CE-2016. Then i ll suggest you to opt US history. It is simple to understand and requires less time.

Wandered Sunday, September 27, 2015 10:58 PM

[QUOTE=Cogito Ergo Sum;861843]I used V. D. Mahajan for the most part. Along with it, I also studied David Thomson. But I think VDM is enough for 80% of the topics. For a few topics (~20%), D. Thom. is a better choice. Lastly, I made ample use of internet. And with the change in syllabus, recent historical developments (post-1960) will have to be covered from the internet as well, or some new book.[/QUOTE]

Hi.
Didn't you study from Stephen J. Lee ?
How good is it ?
I am studying from Stephen J. Lee.
Also, I need to know what went wrong in your EU paper ?
Did you take help from some teacher ?
What must be a length or an answer ? Do we write headings ?

Cogito Ergo Sum Sunday, September 27, 2015 11:58 PM

[QUOTE=Wandered;866568]Hi.
Didn't you study from Stephen J. Lee ?
How good is it ?
I am studying from Stephen J. Lee.
Also, I need to know what went wrong in your EU paper ?
Did you take help from some teacher ?
What must be a length or an answer ? Do we write headings ?[/QUOTE]
No, I studied Mahajan and Thomson.

Nothing went wrong with my E.H paper. I came to know about the unforgiving nature of its examiners and its pathetic scoring trend only after I had wasted my time on it, so I decided to go along with it.

I didn't take help from any teacher, just took some basic guidance from a senior.

The length should be ideally between 4-8 pages (depends on the question). If you can adequately sum up all the information the examiner demands into 4 pages, good for you; if you need 8 pages for it, write you must!

As for the bit regarding headings, the techniques of attempting a question are the same for all the subjects. Go through this thread to get your query answered:-
[url]http://www.cssforum.com.pk/beginners-guide/css-competitive-examination/103596-how-present-your-knowledge-form-effective-answers.html[/url]

Wandered Tuesday, September 29, 2015 12:17 PM

[QUOTE=Cogito Ergo Sum;866580]No, I studied Mahajan and Thomson.

Nothing went wrong with my E.H paper. I came to know about the unforgiving nature of its examiners and its pathetic scoring trend only after I had wasted my time on it, so I decided to go along with it.

I didn't take help from any teacher, just took some basic guidance from a senior.

The length should be ideally between 4-8 pages (depends on the question). If you can adequately sum up all the information the examiner demands into 4 pages, good for you; if you need 8 pages for it, write you must!

As for the bit regarding headings, the techniques of attempting a question are the same for all the subjects. Go through this thread to get your query answered:-
[url]http://www.cssforum.com.pk/beginners-guide/css-competitive-examination/103596-how-present-your-knowledge-form-effective-answers.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Thank you.
Read your valuable comments there.
Talked to a teacher as well.
:))

mrdon Wednesday, September 30, 2015 05:30 PM

Books, preparation method.
 
I have IR and E.U, book for E.U I am studying is "Mastering Modern European History" by Stuart Miller.

Any body studying this book?

Abdul Ghafoor kakar Friday, October 16, 2015 07:28 PM

i am opting EH for CSS-16 and would love to have your kind suggestions and help in it.

Shumaila Shafiq Friday, October 16, 2015 07:47 PM

I have also opted it for CE 16 as it has been my major subject during masters studies as well as optional in my last attempt. However it is correct that to satisfy examiner in this subject is a hard but to crack.

Abdul Ghafoor kakar Sunday, October 18, 2015 06:03 PM

[QUOTE=Shumaila Shafiq;872371]I have also opted it for CE 16 as it has been my major subject during masters studies as well as optional in my last attempt. However it is correct that to satisfy examiner in this subject is a hard but to crack.[/QUOTE]

I have opted EH with IR. I have been through crash course only for EH. will that be enough to cover it after the change of syllabus for CE-2016.

Wandered Monday, October 19, 2015 01:05 AM

[QUOTE=Shumaila Shafiq;872371]I have also opted it for CE 16 as it has been my major subject during masters studies as well as optional in my last attempt. However it is correct that to satisfy examiner in this subject is a hard but to crack.[/QUOTE]

What was your score back then ?

Miraj Awaan Thursday, September 08, 2016 01:23 PM

Mr. Ergo may I have your e-mail address? I need your help regarding European History.

Mutawakkil Monday, July 23, 2018 12:09 PM

[QUOTE=Cogito Ergo Sum;861740]I opted E. H. in my 2015 attempt. Still regretting it. :)
Hoping that it would not do as much damage to me as it did to some of my seniors who opted it. Personally, I opted it because I found it interesting. Later I came to know that its examiners can never be satisfied. People get average marks even with excellent preparation and brilliant performances in exam.

If you're still deciding to go for it, okay then. I can help regarding its preparation. I allocated maximum time to this subject during my preparation. I would be glad if I could be of any help.[/QUOTE]

I have covered EU History from French Revolution to WW1 but I don't know how to go further with it. I could not find books or relevant sources. Please help me.
PS This is my first ever comment in CSS Forum and I literally don't know how things work here.
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