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Default Poetry-I : difference between Epic and Mock Epic

The Epic

The epic is generally defined: A long narrative poem on a great and serious subject, related in an elevated style, and centered on a heroic or quasi-divine figure on whose actions depends the fate of a tribe, a nation, or the human race. The traditional epics were shaped by a literary artist from historical and legendary materials which had developed in the oral traditions of his nation during a period of expansion and warfare (Beowulf, The Odyssey, The Iliad).


“An extended narrative poem,
usually simple in construction, but grand in scope,
exalted in style, and heroic in theme, often giving expression to the ideals of a nation or race. ”


Epic Conventions, or characteristics common to both types include:

1. The hero is a figure of great national or even cosmic importance, usually the ideal man of his culture. He often has superhuman or divine traits. He has an imposing physical stature and is greater in all ways than the common man.

2. The setting is vast in scope. It covers great geographical distances, perhaps even visiting the underworld, other wortlds, other times.

3. The action consists of deeds of valor or superhuman courage (especially in battle).

4. Supernatural forces interest themselves in the action and intervene at times. The intervention of the gods is called "machinery."

5. The style of writing is elevated, even ceremonial.

6. Additional conventions: certainly all are not always present)

1. Opens by stating the theme of the epic.

2. Writer invokes a Muse, one of the nine daughters of Zeus. The poet prays to the muses to provide him with divine inspiration to tell the story of a great hero.

3. Narrative opens in media res. This means "in the middle of things," usually with the hero at his lowest point. Earlier portions of the story appear later as flashbacks.

4. Catalogs and geneaologies are given. These long lists of objects, places, and people place the finite action of the epic within a broader, universal context. Oftentimes, the poet is also paying homage to the ancestors of audience members.

5. Main characters give extended formal speeches.

6. Use of the epic simile. A standard simile is a comparison using "like" or "as." An epic or Homeric simile is a more involved, ornate comparison, extended in great detail.

7. Heavy use of repetition and stock phrases. The poet repeats passages that consist of several lines in various sections of the epic and uses homeric epithets, short, recurrent phrases used to describe people, places, or things. Both made the poem easier to memorize.

Aristotle described six characteristics: "fable, action, characters, sentiments, diction, and meter." Since then, critics have used these criteria to describe two kinds of epics:

Epic

* fable and action are grave and solemn
* characterrs are the highest
* sentiments and diction preserve the sublime
* verse



Comic Epic

* fable and action are light and ridiculous
* characters are inferior
* sentiments and diction preserve the ludicrous
* verse

When the first novelists began writing what were later called novels, they thought they were writing "prose epics." Daniel Defoe, Henry Fielding, and Samuel Ruichardson attempted the comic form. Yet what they wrote were true novels, not epics, and there are differences.

The Epic

* oral and poetic language
* public and remarkable deeds
* historical or legendary hero
* collective enterprise
* generalized setting in time and place
* rigid traditional structure according to previous patterns



Comic Epic

* written and referential language
* private, daily experiencer
* humanized "ordinary" characters
* individual enterprise
* particularized setting in time and place
* structure determined by actions of character within a moral pattern



Sidelight: Homer, the author of The Iliad and The Odyssey, is sometimes referred to as the "Father of Epic Poetry." Based on the conventions he established, classical epics began with an argument and an invocation to a guiding spirit, then started the narrative in medias res. In modern use, the term, "epic," is generally applied to all lengthy works on matters of great importance. The Rhapsodoi, professional reciters, memorized his work and passed it on by word of mouth as part of an oral tradition.

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This will clear two question, Paradise Lost as an epic and Rape of the Lock as mock epic

Remember these characteristics of Epic and Mock Epic .
Pick out points from the text that will support the characteristics mentioned above . I hope this will work and give you high score .


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plz tell me what is the answer to question 'poetry as is much relevent in
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Default epic mock epic

first of all i am thankful to you from the core of my heart that you have given a great answer of the aforementioned topic. you have defined such beautifull almost all the characteristics of epic and mock epic. but some questions are yet unanswered. as per my point of view, subject matter, inspiration, slumber message from devine/supernatural, preparation for war, journey on water, single combat, general battle, feast, journey underground, participation of supernatural elements in war and moral lesson are the characteristics of epic/mock epic. you have discussed some of them but not all. will you discuss all. waiting for your reply.

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