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Keats loved beauty; beauty in all things - in the face of woman, in the song of bird, in flower, hills, in the legends of old, in clouds, in the great books, in the pieces of stone etc. etc. He said, " I have loved the principle of beauty in all things." (letter to Fanny)
In another letter to Benjamin Bailey, he wrote, " I am certain of nothing but of the holiness of the Heart's affections and the truth of Imagination - What the imagination seizes as Beauty must be truth - whether it existed before or not - for I have the same idea of all our passions as of love: they are all, in their sublime, creative of essential beauty."
As he is also known as "Poet of Escape", it seems that for Keats, world of beauty was his world of Imagination (that is triggered from the realities of the world). Though, his concept of beauty encompasses happiness and malencholy, joy and sorrow, but imagination brings a new aspect of beauty, which is perceptible to the senses.
In "Gracian Urn", he seems to advocate that Man is mortal, but "Art" (his work) makes him immortal. For him, every work of art having truth in it must be beautiful, and every beautiful work of art should have bitter truth in it. He just wants to have an element of truth in it, and then goes ahead with his imagination to beatify it more.
But, can Art be a subtitute of real life? Maybe, his statement is in the context that on the Urn, the lover will always love, through they will not be able to fulfill their desire, the musician will keep playing music etc. The time has stopped, or call it permanence. In this way, the real life is beauty, where the lover will be able to conssumate their desire etc. Well, the poem is full of dualities (silence and sound, static and eternal, time and timless) confused. Is he talking about "Moral Truth" and its relation to Beauty?? Truth of beauty? OR Beauty of Truth?
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Keats loved beauty; beauty in all things - in the face of woman, in the song of bird, in flower, hills, in the legends of old, in clouds, in the great books, in the pieces of stone etc. etc. He said, " I have loved the principle of beauty in all things." (letter to Fanny)
In another letter to Benjamin Bailey, he wrote, " I am certain of nothing but of the holiness of the Heart's affections and the truth of Imagination - What the imagination seizes as Beauty must be truth - whether it existed before or not - for I have the same idea of all our passions as of love: they are all, in their sublime, creative of essential beauty."
As he is also known as "Poet of Escape", it seems that for Keats, world of beauty was his world of Imagination (that is triggered from the realities of the world). Though, his concept of beauty encompasses happiness and malencholy, joy and sorrow, but imagination brings a new aspect of beauty, which is perceptible to the senses.
In "Gracian Urn", he seems to advocate that Man is mortal, but "Art" (his work) makes him immortal. For him, every work of art having truth in it must be beautiful, and every beautiful work of art should have bitter truth in it. He just wants to have an element of truth in it, and then goes ahead with his imagination to beatify it more.
But, can Art be a subtitute of real life? Maybe, his statement is in the context that on the Urn, the lover will always love, through they will not be able to fulfill their desire, the musician will keep playing music etc. The time has stopped, or call it permanence. In this way, the real life is beauty, where the lover will be able to conssumate their desire etc. Well, the poem is full of dualities (silence and sound, static and eternal, time and timless) confused. Is he talking about "Moral Truth" and its relation to Beauty?? Truth of beauty? OR Beauty of Truth?
brother first of all lemme tell u that, i have at the very begining told it that be original with ur post. That is, i asked for everyone's own different interpretation, not a googled one or copied from any book. The idea or interpretation u gave iz in some ways amazing but it's not your own thought. Because i've read this interpretation before in a vol. Of Keats criticism. I'm sure i'm not wrong in saying, that our own different interpretations may produce a good and more apt interpretation of theze two lines. But still if u believe in theze ideaz, itz ur own choice. But lemme say u one thing, Be Original in everything u do, itz a principle on which my life my thoughts my education survices. Your own ideas may be wrong but they are still your own original ones not copied version of any other person. Hope you'll not b angry with my blunt attitude, but to b frank with u brother itz how i am, itz my originality. Itz Me.
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brother first of all lemme tell u that, i have at the very begining told it that be original with ur post. That is, i asked for everyone's own different interpretation, not a googled one or copied from any book. The idea or interpretation u gave iz in some ways amazing but it's not your own thought. Because i've read this interpretation before in a vol. Of Keats criticism. I'm sure i'm not wrong in saying, that our own different interpretations may produce a good and more apt interpretation of theze two lines. But still if u believe in theze ideaz, itz ur own choice. But lemme say u one thing, Be Original in everything u do, itz a principle on which my life my thoughts my education survices. Your own ideas may be wrong but they are still your own original ones not copied version of any other person. Hope you'll not b angry with my blunt attitude, but to b frank with u brother itz how i am, itz my originality. Itz Me.
The person who has background of literature and a person who has no background of it will interpret the lines in question in different ways. The person who has read literature while interpreting the lines will get an ege of his reading whatsoever he has studied in literature, no matter how much he claims his thoughts to be original. Let me first admit my fault that I did not read your initial post. So, I wrote in the light of my reading I had 03 years ago. I admire your ORIGINALITY.
By the way, in this whole thread, nothing is new. I wonder you have read keats criticism and these points were not there. Well, I still admire your ORIGINALITY.
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contribution should be considered and if one is unable to find his/her required answer then should ignore the post..i appreciate the efforts of unsolved_mystery .brother do not mind it .and as far as originality is concerned it means your own ideas.ideas of two types ;one is your own perception and second your own genius.sahir has asked about perception.and i like your contribution. plz do not mind it all
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contribution should be considered and if one is unable to find his/her required answer then should ignore the post..i appreciate the efforts of unsolved_mystery .brother do not mind it .and as far as originality is concerned it means your own ideas.ideas of two types ;one is your own perception and second your own genius.sahir has asked about perception.and i like your contribution. plz do not mind it all
Thank you dear for appreciation. But, I am expecting from Sahir something Original, which I have not gone through yet, and which I have not found in this thread yet.
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Thank you dear for appreciation. But, I am expecting from Sahir something Original, which I have not gone through yet, and which I have not found in this thread yet.
brother your first post on this thread was just a copied version and that z not what i need. I asked you all guyz to share your own ideas not what z written in traditional books. That z what i meant from originality. I was expecting that here i would get some novel ideas about the said lines. I am not a book worm n thatz y i surf net to get new n innovative things. You are xpecting from Sahir something original. I have read Keats, i've read critics' viewpoint about him, but i'm not satisfied. I posted this question here not for fun but with a hope that someone's ideas may be different. I appreciate your ironical posts, and i know that you are able enough to share your own view point on these lines. There may be similarity but there should not be sameness. You guys have more xperience than me so i need ur help to solve this unsolved mystery. I am busy with my end semester examz so i'm not able to give much time to keats, i've to read again his six great odes, his letters, my own notes to give u that originality. For present share your own ideas guyz. One thing more this z not a literary war going on here, i'm asking u frnz to help me to get the meaning of thoze two lines."I hope, i'm not speaking heresy"...
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contribution should be considered and if one is unable to find his/her required answer then should ignore the post..i appreciate the efforts of unsolved_mystery .brother do not mind it .and as far as originality is concerned it means your own ideas.ideas of two types ;one is your own perception and second your own genius.sahir has asked about perception.and i like your contribution. plz do not mind it all
dear friend, i appreciate his knowledge but i want a novel idea, not the traditional one. You are right in saying that everyone's contribution should be considered and i appreciate everyone's perspective. But from him i was xpecting something of great significance. I know he has the knack to unsolve it, n thatz y i asked him so reduntly to post novel ideas. Still i'm sorry if i'm too much for you friendz. I came here with great xpectationz but in the begining came my end, my xpectationz are dashed till now. I'm not any great genius but i'm different, i want to solve everything in a novel way. Something different z what i want. A little change from The Traditional Thought. Sorry if i speak too harsh.
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