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Guyz, don't narrow-down your future to 2011. How come a status quo of Pakistan could be drastically changed over few months (Paper was in March 2011)? In fact, this question was soliciting your futuristic vision of Pakistan even if it goes beyond 2011.
You are right sheeraz-but i think we had to at least mention that we do not see a sea change in Pakistan within approximate 9 months. Based on ground realities, the situation in Pakistan is likely to continue given following problems.
Then we had to discuss problems and their solutions.

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well guys-the exact answer of mine in the paper was as follows. plz comment.


Introduction:
• Since independence Pakistan has never been strong except on a few occasions.It has faced multi-lateral problems.These problems can be categorized as political,religious,economic and social problems.Since there are only 10 months left in completion of the year 2011 I do not expect sea changes in Pakistan given ground realities.In 2011 my vision for Pakistan is as follows:

Problems in 2011:

political problems:
• Political instability would continue to hamper progress of Pakistan. Politicians would continue to rely on America for legitimacy of their rule. it is difficult to come out of America’s trap, within 10 months, given huge debt burden. Our politics is characterized by undermining govts. The politician would continue to weaken one another.

Religious problems:
• People of Pakistan have been intolerant since independence. They suppressed voice of everyone who showed enlightened thinking. Minorities were deprived of their rights. The recent assassination of governor of the Punjab,Mr.Salman taseer,is an example of intolerance of our people.Taliban have also projected negative image of Pakistan. In 2011, major change is unlikely.There is no strategy in place to root out intolerance.Moreover, Taliban infiltration is likely to increase in 2011 given American plan to start withdrawal in mid-2011.

Economic problems:
• Pakistan has never been independent in terms of economic policies.pakistan has always depended on imf and world bank to finance its budget deficit.our policies are framed by imf.as result poverty,illiteracy,inflation have been fate of the pakistani nation.in 2011 major change is unlikely to take place given huge debt on the pakistani nation.

Social problems:
• pakistani nation has been characterised by poverty,illiteracy etc.this poor state has been result of various factor such as poor economic policies etc.the situation would continue in 2011 given innumerable problems.

Solutions:
Political solutions:
• Elections within political parties should be made mandatory so that competent people should come forward.ppp should not belong to bhuttos only.further pml-n should not belong only to sharif brothers.
• American intervention should be got rid of by turning more towards China.
• People of conscience should be encouraged.
• Military move into politics should be barred once for all.Previous dictators should be projected as villains.the severest punishments should be prescribed in the constitution and the same should be implemented so that no dictator can cature rule in future.

Religious solutions:
• Education and syllabus at madressahs should be reformed to promote tolerance.
• Taliban infiltration should be checked after the u.s withdrawal from Afghanistan starting mid-2011.
• Minorities should be protectes through constitution.

Economic solutions:
• Options other the IMF should be explored,tilt more towards China,have friendly relations with India.



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Guyz, don't narrow-down your future to 2011. How come a status quo of Pakistan could be drastically changed over few months (Paper was in March 2011)? In fact, this question was soliciting your futuristic vision of Pakistan even if it goes beyond 2011.
they were to ask about Pakistan in 2030 or somewhat like this but by mistake they asked about 2011. in 2011 what could u predict about 2011?
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Your quotations seem misplaced, buddy!

Your first quote-- blaming society for every ill instead of government-- doesn't corroborate your arguments when you discuss "illiteracy, economic woes, terrorism"; reason being, one way or the other, these problems are emanated from the grave inefficiencies and poor governance on part of the government. In modern nation-state system, it is the government that has to drive the affairs of the state. Society is a subject and not a driver.

By the way, your argument about "drone" is also debatable. All these drone attacks are carried out with tacit approval of GHQ and the government. In support of my argument, I quoted few classified documents that will be eye-opener for an examiner. Although strategic cost of drone strikes exceeds the tactical gains, yet it has yielded some dividends, too.
dear sheraz,

thanks for reviewing my question... but i think that you have not understood what i wrote...

Society is to blame for intolerance. ..and that was mentioned in the quote. the person who killed the governor was smiling after his arrest and it was because he had implemented his particular intolerant brand of islam. if you read my quotation again then maybe you will see what i wanted to say ...

regarding drone strikes you must know ...that in all the wars , in the end a political solution is reached else simmering anger results in another war. take the case of first world war ...germany was left embittered and again it resulted in world war 2 ...i mentioned that drones will not erase the menace of terrorism , it has to be a political solution. i do not know how can u say that drones are beneficial for pakistan itself ...these may be yielding dividends for american AF-pak policy, but not for pakistan.

P.S . in another post i saw you said that some people have mentioned romantic quotes from shakespeare or aristotle.
any quote if relevant to the subject matter can be quoted ..whether it is aristotle or someone from the carnegie institute. or researchers at george washington uni or a report from IMF.

if aristotle mentions the benefits of education ,then one can quote it anywhere...anyways it's my personal view ...maybe it differs from yours
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they were to ask about Pakistan in 2030 or somewhat like this but by mistake they asked about 2011. in 2011 what could u predict about 2011?
Yes you are right. For 2011 one could not expect a sea change. But we were to answer under the given requirement.
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dear sheraz,

thanks for reviewing my question... but i think that you have not understood what i wrote...

Society is to blame for intolerance. ..and that was mentioned in the quote. the person who killed the governor was smiling after his arrest and it was because he had implemented his particular intolerant brand of islam. if you read my quotation again then maybe you will see what i wanted to say ...

regarding drone strikes you must know ...that in all the wars , in the end a political solution is reached else simmering anger results in another war. take the case of first world war ...germany was left embittered and again it resulted in world war 2 ...i mentioned that drones will not erase the menace of terrorism , it has to be a political solution. i do not know how can u say that drones are beneficial for pakistan itself ...these may be yielding dividends for american AF-pak policy, but not for pakistan.

P.S . in another post i saw you said that some people have mentioned romantic quotes from shakespeare or aristotle.
any quote if relevant to the subject matter can be quoted ..whether it is aristotle or someone from the carnegie institute. or researchers at george washington uni or a report from IMF.

if aristotle mentions the benefits of education ,then one can quote it anywhere...anyways it's my personal view ...maybe it differs from yours
Buddy, you did it right; however, my point is why does one need a "philosopher" of primitive ages to credence one's arguments in favour of education. Yaar, there's no second opinion about the paramount significance of education, so why do we need a colourful quotes to prove it? Why should not one prefer some facts and figures about existing education system and its comparative analysis with other countries or quoting some research findings about education or literacy rate. Or why not quote what great educationists wrote about poor education in Pakistan and its ramifications. For example,

Does not it sound better if you write:

"According to Oxfam report, Pakistan, which once accounted for 27 percent of South Asian children out of school in 1995, will account for 40 percent in few years".

One another quote:

Writing in his masterpiece, "The Idea of Pakistan", Stephen P. Cohen argues that in the long-term Pakistan's noncompetitive educational system will be one of the prime causes of economic stagnation and perhaps the political turmoil.

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Book: Idea of Pakistan
Author: Stephen Phillip Cohen.

By quotation doesn't mean that you add colourful quotes to make your arguments sugar-coated. I think by quotation means facts, figures, statistics or arguments of any renowned historian/writer/analyst about that issue in question and not that what was said in 5000 BC by the then philosophers which may not stand relevant in the post-modernity world.

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Buddy, you did it right; however, my point is why does one need a "philosopher" of primitive ages to credence one's arguments in favour of education. Yaar, there's no second opinion about the paramount significance of education, so why do we need a colourful quotes to prove it? Why should not one prefer some facts and figures about existing education system and its comparative analysis with other countries or quoting some research findings about education or literacy rate. Or why not quote what great educationists wrote about poor education in Pakistan and its ramifications. For example,

Does not it sound better if you write:

"According to Oxfam report, Pakistan, which once accounted for 27 percent of South Asian children out of school in 1995, will account for 40 percent in few years".

One another quote:

Writing in his masterpiece, "The Idea of Pakistan", Stephen P. Cohen argues that in the long-term Pakistan's noncompetitive educational system will be one of the prime causes of economic stagnation and perhaps the political turmoil.

Source:
Book: Idea of Pakistan
Author: Stephen Phillip Cohen.

By quotation doesn't mean that you add colourful quotes to make your arguments sugar-coated. I think by quotation means facts, figures, statistics or arguments of any renowned historian/writer/analyst about that issue in question and not that what was said in 5000 BC by the then philosophers which may not stand relevant in the post-modernity world.

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Yes you are also right brother. ...but i wanted to show the connection between education and a tolerant society ,for that the most relevant quote i thought was from aristotle ....and you are right about the oxfam report ...if you see my first reply i did say that i wrote different figures to corroborate my stance. ...
and about the drone strikes ...dawn reported that in 2010 the killing of non-militants was 25% ...so for every 100 persons we kill 25 innocent ...if one person has 10 dependents then you can work out the number of people that are being affected by these strikes ...

the rest if up to the examiner hope we both pass the exams in flying colours:P ..

goodluck ...nice to have a discussion with you on this
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Yes you are also right brother. ...but i wanted to show the connection between education and a tolerant society ,for that the most relevant quote i thought was from aristotle ....and you are right about the oxfam report ...if you see my first reply i did say that i wrote different figures to corroborate my stance. ...
and about the drone strikes ...dawn reported that in 2010 the killing of non-militants was 25% ...so for every 100 persons we kill 25 innocent ...if one person has 10 dependents then you can work out the number of people that are being affected by these strikes ...

the rest if up to the examiner hope we both pass the exams in flying colours:P ..

goodluck ...nice to have a discussion with you on this
All the BEST, buddy! I got your point well.
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Yes you are right. For 2011 one could not expect a sea change. But we were to answer under the given requirement.
sure if they ask about 2011 then v talked of 2011 as well, but one couldn't paint a lush green picture for the country till the end of 2011. Pakistan will be facing almost the same problems but with different magnitudes till the end of this year
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sure if they ask about 2011 then v talked of 2011 as well, but one couldn't paint a lush green picture for the country till the end of 2011. Pakistan will be facing almost the same problems but with different magnitudes till the end of this year
Yes dear you are right. So how is mine answer?
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