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In current situation between Yemen and KSA should pakistan be neutral or should become part of alliance against Yemen? I think King Suleman ordered for air strikes but in pakistan there is a democratic government then how can pakistan interfere there without knowing opinion from Public?
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History itself teaches us that whenever Pakistan took part in such wars, it has always been dejected on the time of adversity. Neither Easter nor Western countries became allied of Pakisatn except China. Pakistan was brutally exploited in the war on USSR, similarly, war on terror is an other example. USA never supported Pakistan against India, yet Pakistan did not learn the lesson after 50s in 1965 and 1971's wars. Whenever, Pakistan wanted help, the allied did not not help out in the time of adversity except China and KSA that is a bit up to the mark. Now, the current war against Yemen, is indeed a dangerous situation. Developing countries, like Pakistan has to think hundred times before taking part in the war. We have to carry on our "balance of power". Rest, our socioeconomic and political problems are also a BIG threat interly. Now, coming to the point, that Pakistan must ensures its national interest, diplomatic decisions must be takin in accordance with our national interest. Thus, Pakistan must not take part in the war physically. However, since King Faisal, Saudi has always been with Pakistan in the time of natural disasters, calamities and floods. But, Sauda has never became allied of Pakistan in indopak war. Thus, Pakistan must be neutral in nature and allied by diplomatically to Saudi. Hence, same decision is taken by the meeting in which Defence Minister, Foreign Minister along with Army Chief and PM all are agreed on what I stated.
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Though no decision has been taken yet about joining Yemen war but the minister did not rule out the possibility of sending troops to Yemen.

Pakistan's involvement at the side of KSA against Yemen will have grave repercussions. First, Sunni-Shiite conflict will arise, though it is actually not. However, miscreants can exploit the situation in Pakistan. Secondly, Pakistan cannot afford involvement in another war along with war on terrorism as it would further intense already prevailing imbroglio in Pakistan.

On the other hand, if Pakistan absents itself from this situation, vacuum will be filled by western powers as KSA will look for USA's involvement against rogue Iran. War is not in Yemen only but it is between Iran and KSA. Therefore, it is an opportunity for Pakistan to assert its role in Musilm world being mediator between Iran and KSA. Military involvement is not the right option but diplomatically Pakistan's role will enhance its importance in Iran and KSA.
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According to my limited knowledge China helped us in adversities like in floods and earthquakes or other natural disasters, but didn't help us in 1965 and 1971 Indo Pak war. At this time Pakistan is not in such a position to involve in any other war.
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According to my limited knowledge China helped us in adversities like in floods and earthquakes or other natural disasters, but didn't help us in 1965 and 1971 Indo Pak war. At this time Pakistan is not in such a position to involve in any other war.
Yes, in the said eras, we had not that much well developed relations with China. Although, China was also having wars and tensions with India. Due to Pakistan's diplomatic flaws we could not avail and exploited the situation, other wise as per China's foregin policy what is all about national interest, would have been allied of Pakistan. However, later on Zulifqar Bhutto strengthened the relations with China and since then it has been our beloved friend and always there for us in ups and downs. Currently, China, not only helps us in defnce but also it is the best diplomatic friend of Pakistan. In case, if Pakistan sends her army to Saudia against Yemen, then China will support Pakistan by financial means. However, China's foreign policy is to "keep away from war and believe in negotiation, conciliation to bring about a positive change in socioeconomic and political development". That's why it is nominally called Super Power and all in all in the world after USA. Nevertheless, China will help us not indirectly being a neutral one.
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No nation has friends only interests. (Charles de Gaulle)

China is supporting us for fighter planes (JF17 Thunder) and other military equipment. But in case of full fledged war China will never support us because China's first priority is to boost her economy, by involving in any war China can go far of her motive.
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History itself teaches us that whenever Pakistan took part in such wars, it has always been dejected on the time of adversity. Neither Easter nor Western countries became allied of Pakisatn except China.
Depends on your definition of help. Pakistan has been getting arms, equipment and money from the US for ages. If that's not help I don't know what is. And in 1971 what do you think was stopping the Indians from launching a counter attack across the Western border when the Pakistan Army had been decimated. Even the most retarded Indian would have known that there wouldn't be a better opportunity to damage Pakistan. US pressure was a MAJOR reason (though not the only one).

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Pakistan was brutally exploited in the war on USSR, similarly, war on terror is an other example.
Pakistan was exploited, but not by the West. Pakistan was exploited by its own leaders. Zia and his buddies saw it as the perfect way to cement their power.

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USA never supported Pakistan against India, yet Pakistan did not learn the lesson after 50s in 1965 and 1971's wars.
This is the actual problem with us Pakistanis. We fail to understand that there are no friends in international politics and an alliance doesn't mean that your partners will jump in to support you in your military adventures. Pakistani rulers couldn't understand this basic point for the simple reason that they were not too bright. Same with the Pakistani population.

Think about it, WHY would the US support Pakistani against India? Even in the case of China, it supported Pakistan NOT because of any so-called friendship, but because China had its own problems with India.

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Whenever, Pakistan wanted help, the allied did not not help out in the time of adversity except China and KSA that is a bit up to the mark.
In the case of India, Iran (under the Shah) was the one country that helped Pakistan just for the sake of their friendship.


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Now, the current war against Yemen, is indeed a dangerous situation. Developing countries, like Pakistan has to think hundred times before taking part in the war. We have to carry on our "balance of power". Rest, our socioeconomic and political problems are also a BIG threat interly. Now, coming to the point, that Pakistan must ensures its national interest,
How is this possible when Pakistan has already aligned itself according to the Saudis? Pakistan is already highly dependent on Saudi Arabia so its naive to think that Pakistan can take any unbiased decision. Pakistan shouldn't have involved itself so much with the Arab world in the first place, another achievement of the egomaniac Bhutto, who according to some people is the most intelligent man even to walk the Earth...

I don't know whether Pakistan's policy makers over the years have been permanently drunk because they have missed the most basic rule of foreign policy: in this game, there are no permanent teams.

There is no such thing as friends, enemies, or religious brotherhood, only National Interests.

Ideally, Pakistan should have steered clear of Middle Eastern conflicts, but I don't see how Pakistan can remain neutral now after becoming so involved over the years.

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In case, if Pakistan sends her army to Saudia against Yemen, then China will support Pakistan by financial means.
Why? Such a move will have a major impact on relations with Iran.
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Pakistan cant stay neutral in this war as it has commitment to defend holy lands. I think Pakistan is already involved and doing its part, but keeping a low profile to avoid any conflict with its neighbour Iran.
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would you like to tell me
what is the driving force behind yemanian insurgency and who is financing the insurgents in yeman.????
why Israel is saying that it is going to support Sunnis in Arab??????
why America is acting as a naive parasite??????
how this insurgency is linked to Syrian crisis??????
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In current situation between Yemen and KSA should pakistan be neutral or should become part of alliance against Yemen? I think King Suleman ordered for air strikes but in pakistan there is a democratic government then how can pakistan interfere there without knowing opinion from Public?
War has always brought disastrous results for the countries and regions,specially pakistan has suffered more than any other country. Yemen war will bring more destibility in Middle East and leave catastrophic imprints and it boost up the sectarian division in whole of the muslim world. Pakistan should never jump into this war because it will widen the sectarian differences here in pakistan which will bring more suicide attacks,destability and sectarian violence. On the other hand we have Iran in our nieghbour it will be not in favour of pakistan to create an other foe along its border. It is said that it is proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia so pakistan had better stay away. Pakistan should offer its sevices as mediator because indulging in direct war means an other blunder. Pakistan must learn lesson frome afghan war,suicide bombs,explosions, destability and economic damages all are the gifts of afghan war. We created mujahids, sposored by US and Saudi Arabia, are graet headache and challenges for pakistan. So,before indulging an other war our leadeship think about the consequences of war and think about people of terrorism ridden country..
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