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First of all read the theory of knowledge and understand it:

Theory of Knowledge ‑ Man alone has been given the capacity to use names for things and so has been given the knowledge which even the angels do not possess. Among men those who are granted wisdom are indeed granted great good.

Understanding raises a man's dignity. Those who do not use the intellect are like a herd of goats, deaf, dumb, and blind no better than the lowest of beasts. The ideal of the intellect is to know truth from error. As an ideal or basic value for man wisdom means the knowledge of facts, ideals, and values.

There are three degrees of knowledge in the ascending scale of certitude
(i) knowledge by inference (`ilm al‑yaqin),
(ii) knowledge by perception and reported perception or observation (`ain al‑yaqin), and
(iii) knowledge by personal experience or intuition (haqq al‑yaqan)

‑a distinction which may be exemplified by my certitude of
(1) Fire always burns,
(2) It has burnt John's fingers, and
(3) It has burnt my fingers.

Likewise, there are three types of errors:
(i) the errors of reasoning,
(ii) the errors of observation, and
(iii) The errors of intuition.

The first type of knowledge depends either on the truth of its presupposition as in deduction, or it is only probable as in induction. There is greater certitude about our knowledge based on actual experience (observation or experiment) of phenomena.

The second type of knowledge is either scientific knowledge based on experience (observation and experiment) or historical knowledge based on reports and descriptions of actual experiences. Not all reports are trustworthy. Therefore, special attention should be paid to the character of the reporter. If he is a man of shady character, his report should be carefully checked.


now lets apply it to a few threads in the discussion section:
Example 1. Freemasonry/Illuminati+NWO ! What is the game?
http://www.cssforum.com.pk/general/d...what-game.html

now answer these questions:
1. have you ever been a member of illuminati? if no then by your experience, which is the highest level of certitude, illuminati does not exist. if yes then illuminati exists but just for you and not for me.
2. Have you ever met a member of illuminati? if no then illuminati does not exist by reported perception or observation either. if yes then your mental faculties will need to be checked before i can take your word for granted. internet sources are also included in this level of certitude. before believing anything the internet says you have to investigate the authenticity of the website.
3. how do you infer via reasoning that illuminati can or does exist.

Example 2. MQM was funded by India
http://www.cssforum.com.pk/general/d...ded-india.html
now answer the following questions:
1. have you ever taken funds from India on behalf of MQM? If not then you can't say with extreme certitude that MQM has taken funds from India. If yes, then start talking and let Pakistan know.
2. Have you ever seen a member of MQM taking funds from someone from India? if no, case closed. if yes then how do you know for sure that one person was from MQM and the other one was from India?
2b. Has someone reported to you that MQM has been taking funds from India? in this case BBC did. so how much can you vouch for the authenticity of BBC? Can you depend BBC with your life? what price can you pay to vouch for the authenticity of BBC? and even if you do this level of certitude is not perfect and you might still be making an error.
3. again how do you infer that MQM takes funds from India?

lets talk more about the third question. see most of the discussions on the forum are done through inference and reasoning (i am a bit weak in that) but here is the thing; if you make errors of reasoning and draw conclusions and based on those erroneous conclusions take decision then you are committing a sin. rest is up to you.

my humble request is this: if you find someone like me with weak faculties of the mind, then please if you can't encourage us then don't bash us either. and i m sorry if i have ever hurt someone.

all of us talk about a better Pakistan. we can't take care of each other in this small fraternity. how do you expect us to take care of the country.

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Default is it a theory or a hypothesis

I don't know ,Why i am here,only for this

,If you know something particularly to the truth,than its your religious obligation to share with others...
I hope,I will sooner or later quit this forum,but in a friendly way,in a good posture and in a good memory as well....
Have you read this ayat from Quran(surah Qaaf)
""""Fa kashafna ankaGhataa ka fa basaro ka youm all hadeed)didn't remember ayat no.
Its meaning is that,all we perceive in this world is illusion and that on the day of judgement ,your eyes will bore the truth,it would be clear,transparent and self evident one....(still I am putting my effort to understand why iron is mentioned)
what I have perceived and understand,I am sharing here.(if it is wrong and incorrect ,kindly correct me)

Some hard facts of my own personal observations....That in this world Ascertaining the truth is impossible without the will of God,because by design and by default,THERE IS NOCOMODITY,NO PART,NO ENTITY,which IS PERFECT ONE EXCEPT THE QURAN AND HOLY PROPHET(saw)
1.See EARTH,how beautifully Allah has created(I discard off theory of evolution)is such a marvellous one that I can't explain,
But you know,it is TITLED AT 23 and a half degree towards Polaris.Model of perfection is absent.
2.Just look on Worlds geography,from Mercators to Polaris and zenithal map projection,you need some reconconfigurations(I mean all maps exaggerate some parts or underestimate their actual surface to referential scaling-i mean ,mercatot is exaggerated at equator)concept clear a technical readjustment but proved ,all maps have some fundamental errors.
3.We don't know what is our origin(In science we study about Big Bang theory that universe is evolved from singularities(infinite mass compressed within infinite space),than ask,how this singularity evolved,our logic and observations are failed contemporary science doesn't believe on Creation theory.
4.Any reaction which is purely100% achieveable?
5.Any commodity on earth,whose death is not sure?
6.Most complex commodity is brain,but contains 80%water,just center of illusion,that perceives and interpret information from right side of the body into left hemisphere and so the left is in right.

I categorically make a disagreement with your mentioned thesis...
why?
Just see!Science believes on perception as proved through sense organs...But what will happen ,if they will be proved to be INCOMPETENT?
Yes its quite possible.
1.Sense of sight(do tell me how you see the word?Eyes- and throught different photons of light or waves,ranging from .4 to 1.2 um in lenghth.
Sense of sight contains blind spot,optic nerve and chiasma and also occipital lobe,as well;
is this part receiving light....No......infact it is scientifically approved that these parts has never received light ,throghout ones life,CONCLUDED
we live in darkness.
2.similarly our hearing is perceived in parietal lobe that itself is devoid of vibe rating zone
3.our tongue,our skin bears the same testimony(an eye opening evidence is pain killer,is it allow to have pain in different parts)NO

BECAUSE SENSES ARE INTERPRETED IN BRAIN THROUG ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES......
CHAGES AND ACTION POTENTIAL GAME

Come to history!
it is a commodity ,which is left at the mercy of Human beings,just imagine how badly we have tarnished it....
Columbus as a hero,Ghaznavi as n iconoclast,slavery as norm,and genocide as jewels of past...
This is what we are even doing today,Recall 9/11,imagine,what the upcoming generation will label it-------Muslims and Islam as terrorist and Its real perpetrators as humanitarian assistants.
(Who will remember that it was an inside job and that it was controlled demolition,and that it was confirmed and at testified by 50000(fifty thousand American engineers alone)and that Nist report was baseless and hawxed.
2.Now go to book shops and check out,how history is tilted,?
3.British colonist in Asia,Putegese in s.Africa,Spanish in Europe and french in north Africa and Englishman in Hispaniola,Latin and north Africa,
Were they meant for humanitarian assistance?
They exploited the locals and hence Industrial revolution was visualized.
Come to Ww-l by pacifist and Ww-ll by socialist or eugenics by neodarwins,what is truth ?
,it is obscured.
Crusaders by ayubi,do tell me,why he left poor farmers of catholics,but killed some Knight templers?How they made their escape to Scandinavia and who was the motivator of french revolution?
Who is barak Hussain obama?call him a Muslim,but unfortunately at his presidential oath ceremony,he testimonized on Bible?is he Christian,?but you need to know this person from different angle?

In short,I am telling you with assurity,that world is moving towards destruction ,due to new world order...(Recall Quran)
Why apostel moses(musa)and his story is repeated so frequently repeated in Quran(if am not wrong its more than thousands time)?
Why?
Undeniable evidence!
Pyramids of Egypt and sign of Same pyramids on American dollars!
One eye in Islam,a symbol of Antichrist,and its presence on American doll
What do you know about Donkey and Elephant(recall surah Feel and whose voice is worst according to quran)
Than come to world economy,all governments run under the banner of State banks,who are subordinative to Bank of Switzerland,Zurich central bank,which in turn is subordinative to Zion corporates,whose all members are either free masons or are illuminaty or aremember of secret societies.
Worst part is that,their motto is extermination of human population,so that their will be a repetition of Pharaoh era,servants and master game.....confirm it from Daegal.com
or I have mentioned so many books on post(hadith reference who is abubakar Baghdad and yanon plan)/I hope,query would be resolved.
Refer to mqm,should I ask you some counter questions?If my brother don't mind?

REST
Allah knows the best and what I had learnt ,I just mentioned it briefly.


Please correct me,if discrepancy is here.
May Allah. bless us the rehmat of Ramadan.Ameen.
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"We live in a "Stimulated World" with only reality is an "Infinite God". Every thing is virtual."

If it is so, then why Mansur was put to guillotine?

But let that "Physics" remain as physics not "Metaphysics"...

If we take three degrees of knowledge than according to that the knowledge of Free Masons and MQM's allegations hasn't reached to perfection yet. Only the last one i.e "personal experience" is missing...Seriously, I don't think it's a good idea,I mean,without getting into the sack designed by Altaf..
BBC is a credible source but I think MQM is not vandalized for the first time. There are many people I know personally from Karachi or left Karachi due to MQMs atrocities and terrorism...Now remember an operation taken place against MQM in 1990's.
Secondly,if you see many speeches of Altaf where he says that Pakistan is the biggest blunder made by Muhammad Ali Jinnah...In remote and recent history you have seen those who made such arguments are now living in India happily like Tarek Fatah. He writes good books and speaks well but he is a man with very short posture and weak mentality just like Altaf Hussain...Such people are always welcomed by India,got funds or such supports from India...
Now remember that just few months ago an SSP from Karachi came with proves that MQM has ties with RAW and he was waving those documents again and again...He was transferred but just after his transfer the situation in Karachi got aggravated followed by Safoora Goth massacre. He was to called again to do investigation on it and he just brought out the culprits...A person from Law enforcing agency who served in the same city for 20 years coming with proves was not taken seriously just because he is a "Do Takkey ka Police Officer"? And he is not just a SHO or ASP...An SSP...Just due to the fact that MQM has a very huge force with latest weapons and they can blow up whole Karachi in a minute...
A greater chunk of Muhajirs is with MQM only because all this violence and terrorism from MQM is due to these Muhajirs...So, they support blindly because party owes them.
Yet every body knows MQM carries out massive rigging in every election in Karachi and you can ask this thing from Karachites...Every 99 from 100 will affirm this position...

Now you come to Free Masons. Even if they don't exist it is crystal clear that Zionists are a reality...Christ ,anti-Christ and the impact of such ideologies on international politics is very clear. If you pick up the sayings of Rabbi Manis Friedman, you will understand that how eagerly they are waiting for their Christ to come...And that will be possible if the Aqsa Mosque falls and new Haikal gets build there. But it can happen only if Aqsa falls by an accident or by the hands of Muslims or Christians...

"We are waiting for thousands of years for our Messiah to come, and then there will be no compulsion on us" Rabbi Manis Friedman.
As far as Illuminatis and Free Masons are concerned, most of my knowledge is based on Dan Brown's books...The things I learnt from those are that this ideology is really in conflict with Islamic teachings,prophecies and Hadith e.g Mary Magdalene case.

But even if Free Masons doesn't exist, same conspiracies which they are blamed to be hatching are a point of deceit. These conspiracies are from mainstream Jews actually...

But it doesn't mean Muslims are not blameworthy for their present condition. They are equally responsible...
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@nelblueblue, Rao Rameez

i did not post the theory of knowledge just for the sake of proving anything regarding MQM or freemasons. I brought it for all cases where knowledge is concerned.

the theory is concerned with whatever you hear, see, touch, smell, and detect with instruments.

it is of course applicable to both spiritual as well as scientific knowledge.

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sister this theory isn't anti islamic or anything. it has been infact taken from here:
The philosophical teachings of the Quran http://muslimphilosophy.com/hmp/10.htm

two points to be made here:
1. if we begin accusing people or make speculations regarding them without verifiable proof then that is 'buhtaan'
2. we should not bash people for being weak in knowledge.

now let me come back to the examples, so that i can relay how i perceive things now:
1. i havent been a member of MQM so i don't know for sure their activities.
2. Rameez just said that people have left KArachi due to activities of members of MQM, right Rameez? Now those 'members' need to be investigated and their true identity needs to be ascertained as to whether they truly belong to MQM or not? I can't sit here and pass judgements on MQM just like that. what if the members were someone else tarnishing the name of MQM? CAn i know for sure.
3. RAmeez also pointed out speeches of Altaf Hussain. yes there is something in that if such videos exist. the point is i havent seen these videos. so till the time i don't see those videos i can't say for sure, right Rameez?
4. Rameez also pointed out an interesting fact. when the police wala was bringing evidence, no one trusted him but when BBC cam everyone started jumping. that is also another point out of the theory that the credibility of the reporter has to be ascertained. in this case people trust BBC more than our police.

i hope i am making sense. the purpose of this exercise is to apply the theory of knowledge to our daily lives and events in it and not to prove a particular point. the MQM thread and the freemasonry thread were just picked up as examples. and i will move on with the MQM example only now. the freemasons example is too much kichri to unravel

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sister no need to go anywhere. lets learn. you have a very very strong knowledge base Masha Allah. and you know so much now that now you don't know what to post and what not.so stay please. in time it will all align itself. and please sister, be calm. be calm.

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http://tune.pk/video/3318847/altaf-h...iggest-mistake

This is not first time...
I will soon upload in which he mentioned Jinnah as well. I saw an old video in Facebook...
How could a politician who is supposed to be a "patriot" of his country can speak in such a manner against the very creation of it, in front of severe rivals...Yes, I too say Pakistan has ideological flaws, Army has a very bad history, but it is not to malign my country but to figure out the roots of all causes of her failure.
I have many examples but I'll quote my nearest ones.
1. A company I worked part-time during my graduation. His CEO at Pakistan belongs to Karachi...His wife was shot in legs because he refused to pay money in extortion...Whenever he conducts a training session he tells his painful story. In return, he too visited the men,one by one and shot on their legs...
2.Dean Faculty of Veterinary Sciences, University of Agriculture Faisalabad...Leading Parasitologist and Ethnomedicine researcher of Pakistan. I have very good conversation with him...Was HEC teacher of the year probably 2009...He was a Karachite but his elder brother was killed by MQM and family got threats...Shifted to Punjab...Reasons are refusing to pay extortion and speaking against MQM...He tells the story with extreme pain...
3. During last elections my cousin who is Lady Doctor at Jinnah Hospital,Karachi told that we are standing in front of Polling station since morning,it's afternoon now and they are standing where they are without moving an inch ahead because group of ladies belonging to MQM had entered and closed the polling station from inside...

And along with that any one who visits Karachi or lives there tells the same story...Speaking against MQM in Karachi is same like speaking against Mulla Fazlullah in Swat...Your "Sack" is always ready...
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Rameez bhayya why doesn't a brave soul record all these accounts somehow. the narrators can be anonymous. why doesn't our media take the fight to such extortionists? fear of death? what is stopping the authorities or the establishment from rooting out such evil?
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Rameez bhayya why doesn't a brave soul record all these accounts somehow. the narrators can be anonymous. why doesn't our media take the fight to such extortionists? fear of death? what is stopping the authorities or the establishment from rooting out such evil?
Records are present...If you remember Rao Anwaar...He collected such evidences but the problem is that Karachi is a very complicated city...Same like Mumbai of India...It is the poorly planned city of Pakistan...A person can kill any person and can vanish forever. Only a person like Rao Anwaar who knows every nook and corner and has a working experience of 20 years can tell you how your intelligence can work...Intelligence agency of every country is present at Karachi...People from the whole country has big colonies like Pashtuns have a big area equal to a city in NWFP...Every fish is a giant fish...Every vice is present at it's extreme...From individual level to social level...People now saying that don't marry a girl from Karachi ever even if she has a certificate of modesty attached to her forehead...And in such a city it is very easy for a Criminal Party to win elections. Criminals vote for criminals,you know...And once such party gains access to the Court of the King...She can do anything especially when such a party is the biggest revenue collector...Either through force or what...It's on those taxes collected by MQM our economy depends much...
Now, the slum areas of Karachi which comprise nearly 40 percent of total population have young people who are un-employed numbering to tens of thousands...They can't have any skills so they join MQM which gives them Food,Shelter, "Weapons" and legal protection...But it's not over here...Educated class of Karachi is equally involved in criminal activities...Highly educated class including Doctors, PhDs etc...
And People like Ansar Barni and Edhi are present as well...
If our Army is trapped in open mountains where there is very low population density with total of 7-8 thousand Talibans only...What will be the situation of this city where population density is equivalent to biggest cities of the world with poorest town planning...Like Fata and Waziristan you can't say people of Karachi that please leave Karachi for 2-3 months , we want to do a surgical operation...

Complexity at it's peak...Only creating a well-planned twin city near Karachi is the solution and that on your own,without MQM's involvement...
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