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FPSC,Wake up! It's time to reform the system

Though I'm done with my attempts and have nothing to do with CSS any more yet I feel it's my moral responsibility to contribute even little to make the road smooth for the followers.
I can see many threads on forum regarding recent pathetic result and the actions to be taken against FPSC.It's great to see some roars among the indifferent and sleeping candidates.Now it's time to chalk out what exactly you want from FPSC.
I invite you all (including management and CSPs) to give your suggestions.It would be better if you write it in bullet form.Record your voice about what must be changed in the system to maintain its previous standard and credibility.
Then the next step would be to forward the suggestions and your objections to the concerned authorities.Someone mentioned that he asked his MNA uncle to raise this issue in parliament.Some fellows are planning a protest outside FPSC offices.Sana is highlighting her case on social media.I had already suggested to create Page on FB to raise the voice against injustice.Now it would be up to the aspirants who can lead and use all platforms to make FPSC implement the sensible and valid suggestions.
We are not donkeys who are merely working hard for no reward.We are not herd of sheep to be led anywhere whether it's an oasis or a ditch.

My suggestions:

1- MCQS paper should not be taken back and on mark sheet it should be separately mentioned what's score in objective part.
(I have heard people saying they got 15 total marks but they are sure that they have got 12 MCQS correct so does it mean the candidate got 3 marks in subjective even though he is good at the subject)

2- In paper of English stop playing with us.Vocabulary words could be maximum five because it's a joke man to expect students learn dictionaries.Instead give something from grammar if you have to check candidate's grip over the subject.

3-There must be a fair paper rechecking system and before it make ensure that the persons who type result marks are not 'drunk.' One typing error can destroy someone's dreams and one's parents' expectations!

4- Don't fail the candidates deliberately just because you have limited seats or you have a 'mummy daddy' panel who can't listen to more than 202 candidates.Call all candidates who have passed the exam because this is not an ordinary exam and you are not an ordinary institution.

5- The paper checker of essay specially should have balanced approach and must be consistent in evaluating the essays.Essay must be read thoroughly rather than focusing on outline merely.Literary essays should be checked with that perspective.
Look at the words instead of counting pages.

6- Result should be announced within 4-5 months maximum and result month must be known to all candidates.

7- Review the subjects or reduce the total marks and make sure you get what you exactly want,not a lucky parrot but a capable CSP!

If I remember any other point I will post it later.Now it's your turn.Come forward but with valuable suggestions not just for the sake of arguments.

There are many candidates whose total marks are lower than the mcqs they got correct. I believe even Afghanistan public service commission would not be following such a ridiculous marking criterion. Even if fpsc follow marks reduction policy, my questions are:
1. If a candidate is entitled to be called for interview after getting 33%, 40% & 50% in optionals compulsories and aggregate, why fpsc redice his/her marks barring him/her to proceed to the next step. Under which clause or article of fpsc rules a candidate's marks are deducted?
2. Why this marks deduction policy applied same to all provinces letting the seats of kp, baluchistan, sindh and GB fata vacant?

Suggestions are many but the most important one fpsc should consider is to conduct english essay paper to check candidate's knowledge and articulation of english language , right now they are conducting essay paper just to kick students out of this competetion as maximum as possible ,this attitude of fpsc should change being a premier recruiting agency on Pakistan

[QUOTE=Farrah Zafar;976517]Though I'm done with my attempts and have nothing to do with CSS any more yet I feel it's my moral responsibility to contribute even little to make the road smooth for the followers.
I can see many threads on forum regarding recent pathetic result and the actions to be taken against FPSC.It's great to see some roars among the indifferent and sleeping candidates.Now it's time to chalk out what exactly you want from FPSC.
I invite you all (including management and CSPs) to give your suggestions.It would be better if you write it in bullet form.Record your voice about what must be changed in the system to maintain its previous standard and credibility.
Then the next step would be to forward the suggestions and your objections to the concerned authorities.Someone mentioned that he asked his MNA uncle to raise this issue in parliament.Some fellows are planning a protest outside FPSC offices.Sana is highlighting her case on social media.I had already suggested to create Page on FB to raise the voice against injustice.Now it would be up to the aspirants who can lead and use all platforms to make FPSC implement the sensible and valid suggestions.
We are not donkeys who are merely working hard for no reward.We are not herd of sheep to be led anywhere whether it's an oasis or a ditch.

My suggestions:

1- MCQS paper should not be taken back and on mark sheet it should be separately mentioned what's score in objective part.
(I have heard people saying they got 15 total marks but they are sure that they have got 12 MCQS correct so does it mean the candidate got 3 marks in subjective even though he is good at the subject)

2- In paper of English stop playing with us.Vocabulary words could be maximum five because it's a joke man to expect students learn dictionaries.Instead give something from grammar if you have to check candidate's grip over the subject.

3-There must be a fair paper rechecking system and before it make ensure that the persons who type result marks are not 'drunk.' One typing error can destroy someone's dreams and one's parents' expectations!

4- Don't fail the candidates deliberately just because you have limited seats or you have a 'mummy daddy' panel who can't listen to more than 202 candidates.Call all candidates who have passed the exam because this is not an ordinary exam and you are not an ordinary institution.

5- The paper checker of essay specially should have balanced approach and must be consistent in evaluating the essays.Essay must be read thoroughly rather than focusing on outline merely.Literary essays should be checked with that perspective.
Look at the words instead of counting pages.

6- Result should be announced within 4-5 months maximum and result month must be known to all candidates.

7- Review the subjects or reduce the total marks and make sure you get what you exactly want,not a lucky parrot but a capable CSP!

If I remember any other point I will post it later.Now it's your turn.Come forward but with valuable suggestions not just for the sake of arguments.[/QUOTE]
I was sure Farah that you will clear this exam with flying colors. It is the loss of FPSC not you or the candidates like Sana Rasool. InshaAllah one day you will be on top position in respective institute. You have potential and talent and deserve more then that. Coming towards suggestions, i will recommend following points:
1) They should elaborate their checking criteria especially for essay and comprehension. Like they will say we need contemporary and quality material. Foreign Graduates of top universities were failed in essay paper who wrote excellent material.
2) They give syllabus to prepare everything according to their mentioned criteria. For instance, for vocabulary i learn GRE dictionary but in comprehension paper their were 20 MCQs that were Greek or latin words. I ask everyone in the examination centre everyone said they just knew two of them maximum.
3) Everyone do hard work for this exam. No one sits without preparation. Majority sitting in exams are serious aspirants. For instance, there is a difference in applied verses appeared candidates. They should elaborate passing ratio without ambiguity. For instance, in the year 2009 ratio was almost 9 percent then on wards it dropped.Kindly elaborate reason behind it. If they do not want brilliant minds to work for them then don't complain for brain drain.
4) Blaming education system will not work. In their summaries they always mention and blame education system. Candidates sitting for this exam everyone prepared their notes from quality foreign authors mentioned in FPSC syllabus.It means there is something wrong with those evaluating our papers. Those having 72 marks in comprehension are failed in essay. Kindly mention some rules and regulations for teachers specifically. Do not play with aspirants future. One of my friend told me that International Law papers which are send to Respective university HOD, amazingly he is specialized in family law and css aspirants papers are examined by his LLM family law students. Their is a big difference between family law and International law.
5) Kindly evaluate domicile of candidates sitting in exams. They mention in their rules unfortunately they do not pay heed. I am aspirant from Baluchistan. We do not have many seats and unfortunately unsatisfactory passing ratio. The issue is candidates from other provinces are sitting with Baluchistan domicile who never have been to Baluchistan nor they belong to this province. For example, in the year 2014 a candidate from other province with fake domicile of Baluchistan was allocated in PAS. Case was brought to the concern authorities attention. Unfortunately CSPs posted in such far flung areas are involved in such cases. Concern authorities must take strict action against those involve in such acts.

Competetive exam should be separate for each province.otherwise qouta system in allocation should be ended.here more talented candidates loose allocation because being from punjab becomes a curse for them.as even merit no 200 or 205 can get allocations in PAS group if from GB.while merit No 175 gets no allocation as he or she is from punjab.so it is totally nonesense in allocations.....

Either integrate population of punjab in other provinces to maintain equality so that other provinces must not cry of exploitation of resources.

Otherwise conduct separately the CSS exam in each provinces.muhammad Ali jinnah too when made pakistan then first he made structure of it in which muslims must be separated in provincial assembly and legislative assemblies where muslims will choose their people and Hindus would choose their.otherwise hindus were in majority they were grabbing every thing in all feilds from muslims

But right now no leader like jinnah is here to initiate such reforms which are direly needed.which is why sepratist movements are there

173.15668 Aftab Ahmad
174.15699 Ahmed Shah
175.15861 Asimah Majeed Khan 176.15947 Bela Khan
177.16972 Muhammad Waqas Khan 178.17767 Usman Aziz

This is the list of candidates passed from peshawar centre. First 4 qualifiers are picked from first 300 applicants, one thousand failed in a row another qualifier then again 800 failed.
I really doubt if our papers have been checked.This was never done with peshawar as in the worst result of 2013 around 28 qualified from here.

After nargis sethi became member fpsc see the difference.
check her profile as well ”9ý7

[URL]http://www.thenewstribe.com/2012/01/11/who-is-nargis-sethi/[/URL]

[QUOTE=abbas khan 119;976600]After nargis sethi became member fpsc see the difference.
check her profile as well ”9ý7

[url]http://www.thenewstribe.com/2012/01/11/who-is-nargis-sethi/[/url][/QUOTE]

This thread is intended for suggstions only so dont go to extremes to malign anyone you want without any proof, secondly its not only in kpk but in whole result there have been more than 800 candidates failed in a row

[QUOTE=Ambber;976647]This thread is intended for suggstions only so dont go to extremes to malign anyone you want without any proof, secondly its not only in kpk but in whole result there have been more than 800 candidates failed in a row[/QUOTE]

Yes I know only in Karachi. Rest find such a big gap even in last 3 year result i will accept that it's not an anamoly. Regarding your statement of maligning others, yes i have no solid evidence, but let me tell you sometimes your career speaks volume of your character and so is the case with Sethi sahiba.
I don't know how you people justify the actions of fpsc. Tell me,

Which rule confers on fpsc the power to shortlist candidates?
Even if shortlisting is done why it is so to lower thenumber of candidates even from total seats?

Why there is uniformed shortlisting? How the seats of kp, Baluchistan, sindh & GB fata would be filled? What would be the fate of federation in future if recruitment is done so asymmetrically?
Why answer sheets are termed secret documents?
In kpk candidates were shown their copies of pms under right to information bill.

If list is manipulated for shortlisting what guarantee do u have that its not manipulated for malpractices?

I would again say that you are going off the topic, start new relevant topic then there we can talk of conspiracies :waiting:waiting