Which comes first?

[Babban Miyan Ding Dong]

Assalam Alaikum,

It's a very old dilemma for people to figure out, whether the Murghi came before the egg did.

We as Pakistani's and the rest of the Muslim world, are facing the same dilemma to whether decide which comes first, Religion OR their Nation.

Islam teaches us the idea of a brotherhood among believers, therefore encouraging other believers to rise for help to the brother in need. But that is not been the case with all the Muslim countries, and may be that is the reason, we are faced with the conflicts of Palestine, Kashmir and such.

I firmly believe the lack of unity among Muslims, and lack of valid LEADERSHIP, resulted in the dilemma of TERRORISM against west, and anyone who sides with them.

Probably the reason why, the above mentioned conflicts have not been solved yet, is because Muslims are not united to solve such issues.

Q. Do u think in your analysis, that this slogan of "PAKISTAN FIRST" is valid in that situation?

Your worthy comments will be appreciated, wholeheartedly.

Thanks.

[Wah boy]

Dear Brother Baban,

I agree with you that the lack of unity among the muslim brother is one of the many or should we say one of the main reasons behind all this dilema.
I also truly beileve that it is also happening because of muslim not following the islam the way they supposed to follow.

Soloutions of all them problems are in Quran and we just need to implement them in our everday's life.

"AOR ALLAH KI RASI KO MAZBOOTI SE THAAM LO AUR AAPIS MAIN TAFARKE MAIN NA PARO"

Brother in regards of the slogan "Pakistan First". I never understood the philosophy behind it. This slogan by all means make sense and obvisouly Pakistan comes first among all the pakistani's before any thing else so if govt uses this slogan to make people patrotic towards the Pakistan then that is fine, but if we talking in regards of Islam. There is no question what comes first Islam or Pakistan simply because Pakistan and Islam are for each other.

Pakistan came into being on the name of islam and it is the only state which gained independence on the name of religion (ISLAM).

I think this slogan is perfectly valid if we use that slogan nationaly and to attract people towards the patriotism. Question can be raised on the validity of this slogan when it is used to demolish the soft corner we have for Muslim brothers in Kashmir and Palestine.

So the validity of this slogan realy depends on the interpertaion of this slogan by the govt.

Regards
Yasir

[Muhammad T S Awan]

AoA

well dear i agree with u a bit

but just think for some moments that the root of Islam is in the Arabian peninsula and the first parts of world converted to Islam were the region, which is today known as Middle East

similarly in other parts of world with some exceptions majority thinks about their land their tribe first and some pple from exceptions (as mentioned in above line) including Pakistanis tried to foster the cause of Ummah nd today if u r carryng a green passport every one gaze at u with strangeness as he/she is alien

look we Pakistanis helped Afghanis nd many Afghanis went abroad on green passport nd maligned the name of Pakistan, which detrioted our image world over as a Muslim country

so why v clamour the slogan of Ummah first ?????

i dont have any doubt about being myself as a Muslim but when sees the doings of majority of our brothern then feel ashame

even in majority of countries in middle east, with exceptions, every one who is not citizen of coutnry from his/her brith/tribe is treated as second category person, so no worry about carrying the slogan of pakistan first

apart from this, if v want to help any one then first of all v must b strong enough, so that v could b able to help out others easily (plz treat v in this sentence as nation)


hope above haphazard points can make some sense

[Wah boy]

Salam Tabbasum Bhai,

MASHALLAH all very nice and valid points and from ur words any one can guess that u r very patriotic which is good to see.

I have no doubt about that everyone talks about their land first and we should do the same, but what i meant was that our responsibilities does not end here our Muslim brothers and sisters have some rights on us and we need to fulfill those at the same time.

Now we don't have to physically go to their teritories and fulfill our duty but i think openely showing the sympathy for them on international level is close enough to fullfil the duty from our side.(i mean govt here)

I also strongly believe that this Muslim Umma have 90% of there psychological pressure on west because of Pakistan (Thanks to ALLAH).

Ofcourse we need to be strong specialy economicaly and morally before we can offer help to anybody, but during the process or should i say on the way to our success we need to remebres Muslim brother and sisters in mind.

Arabs are not doubt ae very arrogant towards the muslims specially from Pakistan as i have experinced that myself while i was working at Doha. If you analyse them closely they are paying the price for this.

As long as Afgans are concerned i think they forgot that we provided them shelters and it were Pakistani's who weclomed 3.5 million at the time of need, but belive me brother the day is not far when they will seek our help again and what face will they bring on door step then this is the question they need to start thinking now.

It is not only afgans we helped every one every where in the world when they needed and we are still very much respected in many muslim countries.
(specially in Africa as i have dealing with few of them)

I think we should continue to do so if not economicaly then moraly.
I hope i have cleared my self.
Kind regrads
Yasir

[Adil Memon]

Don't have much to make a debate.

'Development at home - Peace abroad' should be the policy for a few years. Once we become Malaysia, we'll step in to everyone's help.

China did the same. It worked on its development for years. Now we see Hu Jintao is making a lots of tours abroad and helping settle issues of different countries.

Regards,
Adil Memon