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awais_666 Tuesday, January 29, 2008 02:05 AM

Are We Muslims?
 
I have heard so many discussions and arguments on saying that are we following islam or not are we proper muslims or not?
well we say that we want to move further and get some recognition in this world but we are still busy in deciding that are we muslims or not i just want to ask points given below
1. Who are we to decide about anyone that he is proper muslim or not?
2. No where in world it is discussed that who is muslim who is not why only in Pakistan?
3. Wont we move towards success if we follow what is told us in our holy Quran?and leave the rest on almighty ALLAH to decide for us that are we proper muslims or not

my replies are
1. only ALLAH almighty will decide that who is proper muslim and who isnt
2. we discuss this because of our weak souls and try to hide them by showing that we have alot of knowledge
3. QURAN tells us all the ways of spending of our lives it is the simplest and the best solution for telling us how to spend our lives no matter what happens or what anyone says but if we only follow QURAN we will have the success at both places in our lives and on the day of hereafter.
QURAN is the book from Almighty ALLAH so kindly please follow it you will face no difficulty in your lives and you will live the best life kindly never pull up your finger on anyone

THANKS

marwatone Tuesday, January 29, 2008 03:16 AM

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="4"][COLOR="darkRed"][B]1st question:[/B][/COLOR]Yes of coarse we are not who will decide who is the proper muslim or not. But let me tell you one thing.I don't know about others but about myself. When I see someone doing wrong and is against Islam, the discussion of "proper muslim or not" automatically starts,the first thing I will say "What type of Muslime he/she is?" I think that's why because we feel bad if someone is doing something against Islam. We don't have right to talk about someone else but we have the right to ask ourselves.Are we proper Muslims?I know I am not perfect but that was what I think.

[COLOR="darkRed"][B]To your 2nd question [/B][/COLOR]I will say,May be Pakistanis are very sensitive about Islam. Can I ask which countries are you talking about"No where in the world".

[B][COLOR="darkRed"]To your 3rd question[/COLOR][/B] I would like to say yes we should leave the rest on Allah Almighty and move towards success by following the path told by Allah Almighty,Hazrat Mohammad(PBUH) and Quran.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Shumail Aijaz Tuesday, January 29, 2008 05:00 AM

@awais 666
dear, in my opinion following are the answers to questions:

1. Yes obiveously Allmighty Allah will decide who is proper muslim who isn't, by the deeds we perform here in this materialistic world.

2. Here in this question you both @awais 666 & @marwatone are ok.

3. At this point i would say that until and unless we won't understand the message of Quran the message sent to us through His Prophet, he who is Rahmat ul Alameen we won't successed, to say let us leave every thing upto the Allah would not sound good because Allah have given us every posible mean to decided the right and wrong.

Edmark Tuesday, January 29, 2008 06:15 AM

In the current era, all "seems" to be hypocrites! Specially those who have "long beard", which they use for the sake of Islam. There is a saying which they don't follow..."Islam is not in beard but rather beard is in Islam". They show off about Islam and impose others to do the same by brain washing innocent (or I may say illiterate or those carrying degree without knowledge).

Muhammed Usman Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:23 AM

1- your first question is the main reasons for sectarian divide among muslim when we for our personal interests start to classify people, we take GOD's job in our hand to earn some materialistics gains some times money, sometimes positions etc. which is wrong. IT SHOULD BE ALLAH , as it would be, on judgement day he'll tell who is right and who is wrong as ALLAH says in Quran

2- we pakistan's always project ourselves as " Thakaydar" of islamic world. reasons for this attitiude are political, by the course of incidents we happened to be at the front inorder to fight out so called Islamic Jihad, so our these 30 years we have been groomed to think like that. I belive we need to give up this attitude and need to learn more about peaceful co-existance

3- we all know what quran teaches but we don't practice it , may be the time we'll start to pratice Islamic values things would start to change, JUSTICE and KNOWLEDGE are the two basic of any flourshing society. unfortunatly we don't have both of them among us. neither there are any signs that we'll adopt to them in the near future

GOD Bless us all

awais_666 Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:50 AM

Reply to Marwatone
on 2nd point
i am asking about the muslim countries like Iran,UAE,Indonesia, KSA etc
you have watched many TV channels or Documentaries for example last week i watched a documentary about Nigerian Law on BBC in that documentary the people who were shown they were seem to be not very rich not living advanced life but they were following Shariyat Law as also the Nigerian Law and separate Law for Christians since last 8 years and as shown in that when a culprit is caught he is punished by the court at the first hearing after getting proved that he is guilty and in front of people and as said by statistics of that country there have been only two culprits hands cut off in last 8 years and they were not arguing they just asked one thing to culprits and that wasnt you are proper muslims or not it was do you accept the holy QURAN and Shariya Lawor do you want to go to jail by Nigerian Law and go to jail they both said we accept the holy QURAN and shariya and as we have did a sin you can punish as they both were interviewed by BBC not by our own news channels.

Reply to Shumail
on 3rd point
the name of our religion means PEACE
i am asking about leaving things on Allah to decide are those which are as we are proper muslims or not we should work hard live towards success and as told in QURAN we should gain the knowledge of right and wrong and try to do the right things and i would say that we all have many wrongs in us but why we start arguing on it and try make it right by our arguments
An Example:
if anyone has seen the movie KHUDA KE LIYE(In the name of GOD) Directed by shoaib mansoor in the end if you hear of the words character Sarmar performed by Fawad(EP) that i was good but after getting in arguments with moulana and others and by going on the ways told me i performed so many sins which are unforgiven i suggest we all should watch that movie that is positive attitude for us and others and a message by shoaib mansoor to us thanks

Reply to Edmark
Buddy i dont think that anybody is brain washed to perform these kind of things these people which are extremists are created suppose somebody throughs a rock at your home and keep it throughing and it hits your brother or any other family member what would you do??i dont think you would sit down you would reply him with something or by going to him asking him to dont do that or hitting or throughing the rocks back to him
same thing is happening here also in Wazirstan the military destroys and kills innocent peoples by calling extremists and when extremists are created by those homes then they say we are doing the right thing but they are wrong why there is double standard?when you kill them its right and when they do something terrible and kill our innocent people they are wrong?see the history it tells there was these super powers who were behind creating these people Benazir bhutto came in Pakistan she martyred in just few days and tryed to martyr her on first day do you see the reality she had so much power of nation with her on her back i ask you one question do President Musharraf have that power?i really admire him from the first day he has came in government but the people he is working with who are they?they are the same people working in past governments well just one thing Democracy, Restoration of Law and Order is the thing he should do now enough for now:con dont take it on heart:D

reply to Mohammad Usman
1st point
you are absolutely right Mohammad Usman this is the basic things we should be known as muslims not as divisions of Islam

Thanks

my only purpose for starting this discussion is to simply go to one point and that is stop arguing and start arguing about how can we make our lives better what will be everyone's answer i think that is simply the life told us in holy QURAN there is nothing left in QURAN which isnt in our lives then start arguing how can we become a great nation in the world and prepare ourselves towards it
Proud to be a Pakistani:king

habibrahet Monday, February 11, 2008 12:03 AM

salam mr. Owais

sawal to ap nay he likhay hain, or jaantay hain, mager main sirf chund points per baat karoonga, jo aap nay apny he jawab main likhay hain


1. only ALLAH almighty will decide that who is proper muslim and who isnt


Quran ul Majeed, Allah Talaah nay apny pyary Nabi Sallaho alaih Wassalm per issi liay nazil farmaya, kay woh (Quran) sahi aor ghalat main tameez kar ta hay. aor humain bhee (ummat ko) hukum diya gaya, jab tumhain kisi baat per shak ho to uski tasdeek quran say karo. isi liay Quran majeed ko FURQAAN (FARAQ KARNAY WALA - FARAQ BATANAY WALA) kaha jata hay.

ab shayed aap samjhain kay yeh kaam sirf Nabi Peace be upon him kay liay he thaa. to iska jawab arz karta hoon kay

jab tum kisi ka KUFUR, NAFAQ (etc) dekho to to usay aagaah karo, kay iss say bacho, ager woh nahi bachta, to is baat ko manzar aam per lao, takay, baqi dunya walay usky KUfUR (ya nafaq) say bachain.


jaisa kay ek Mash-hoor Hadith shareef hay kay

(Mafhoom) ager tum kisi ko ghalat kaam kartay dekho,
to usay us buray kaam say roko (ager taaqat rakhtay ho roknay ki)
(ager rok nahi saktay taaqat say) to usay yeh kaam roknay kay liay kaho.
(ager kehnay ki taaqat bhee nahi rakhtay) to usay dil main bura zaroor jano

(3rd one) yeh emaaan ki sab say kamzor halat hay.

to mere bhai hum ko yeh faisla karna he paray ga, kay kon sahi kaam kar raha hay, or kon nahi. or yeh faisla karnay kay liay pehlay humain Quran , Hadith -e-Nabi Sullaho alaih wassalum, or Sunnat-e-Rasool Sullaho alaih wassalum ko sahi terhaan samajhna paray ga. phir hum compeletely faisla kar saktay hain.

ager hum Islam ka sikhaya huwa koi ek tareeqa bhee jantay hain, to us ek kaam per bhee yehi Hadith-e-Rasool Sullaho alaih wassulum sadiq aati hay.

bay shak Allah he faisla farmaey ga, mager, (yeh bhee sochain) ager yeh faisla Allah nay apnay haath main he rakhna hota to Insaan ko zameen per apna khaleefa na banata, phir un main apnay Nabi aor Rasool (peace be upon them) na bhaijta. jo un logon ko sahi or ghalat ka faraq batatay.

yehan main aap say yeh sawal karta hoon,
Allah Talla nay Laakhhon nabi (peace be upon them) zameen per (taqreeban her qom per ek nabi) bhaijay, to woh kiss kaam kay liay bhaijay gaey.

I think isi liay kay woh logon ko deen-e-Haneef ki taraf bulanay kay liay aaey, yani seedha rasta dikhanay aaey, aor issi terhaan, Rasool-e- Akram (Sullaho alaih wassulum) tamaam aalameen (saaray aalum) kay liay nabi ban kar aaey.

or yeh kaam sirf Anbiaah per khatam nahi hogaya.
Rasool-e- Akram (Sullaho alaih wassulum) nay farmaya, meri ummat kay wali, pichli umaton kay nabion ki maanund hain (RUTBAY MAIN NAHI) KYOONKAY pichli ummaton kay sirf nabion per deen ki tableegh karnay ka hukum thaa. mager Islam main Nabi kay baad Sahaba, phir unkay baad Wali, phir unkay baad aam ummati, sab ka faraz hay kay woh, sab ko islam ki teref raghib karen, or islam ki tableegh karen.

conclusion: ager aaj koi islam kay munaafi kaam karta hay, to uska faisla hum ko zaroor karna chahiay, kay woh sahi hay ya ghalat.

awais_666 Monday, February 11, 2008 01:49 AM

Dear i agree with you and i also meant the same that could be that my way of explanation is not depending on facts i just wanted to clear one thing and that is stop fighting on these issues and go throughout the holy QURAN it will guide you the way of life and tell you what is wrong and right you read my postings again i am asking the same thing but many people around us have stopped thinking that we should also grow as a single nation even areas are divided here i dont wanna take any names but i think should be known as Muslims and Pakistanis i will give just one example if you will go on Hajj your recognition there will be that you are a Pakistani and a Muslim so why we in our own country are not ready to call ourselves Pakistanis i will take my own example i am a sindhi speaking person but i am proud to be a Pakistani but few of our brothers say that we are only sindhis not Pakistanis same as that some say we belong to this Firqa or that one i just say one thing Allah has given us ability to read the holy QURAN and also its translations why we cant follow that? why we go to other people and ask them i am doing this am i right or wrong and blah blah many other things like which creates confusions:?
and buddy no hard feelings:) just wanna see Pakistan as a leading country of the world in one way it is leading all muslim countries as it is the Nuclear Power and i am proud of Dr. AQ khan and respect him as our hero and also respect the decision by President Musharraf that he didnt gave him to USA or IAEA
THANKS

habibrahet Monday, February 11, 2008 10:40 PM

for Mr. Owais
 
Salam,

well if you are agree with me, so there is nothing to say about.

but your 2nd point about President of Pakistan Its a good step in favour of AQ Khan as well as Mr. Musharraf. ( i think a new thread can be started on this topic). well about appointment of AQ Khan , i want to tell something:

Once IMAM-E-AZAM IMAM ABU HANEEFA (Rehmatullah-e-Alaih) was offered for the post of Qazi-ul-Qaza of the Islamic State by the Ameer of that time (at that time the Islamic state was over to Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Shaam, Turki), but IMAM-E-AZAM denied for the same. and carried teaching the students on. It is a different story that how he did deny.

but we (probably myself) take a lesson from his that act. after some times, the research (Fiqah) of Imam-e-Azam is spread all over the Islamic state. Approximate Each muslim follows His Fiqah.

But in Pakistan, President of Pakistan fixed Mr. AQ Khan as a VC of an Agricultural University (That post have only the administration work).

I think, it is better that being a VC of a University and a Proved scientist he should be offered to deleiver speech fortnightly in various universities of pakistan to the students of related field, Technical persons and the Junier Scientists in all over in Pakistan. In this way He ( AQ Khan) may pass his inteligence, his experience, to the young generation, rather than only being a vc of a university.

awais_666 Tuesday, February 12, 2008 02:28 AM

Buddy if you say about AQ khan we really dont know what is going on in his life and i cant say anything about it because i dont have any accurate information you know the government how much secretly they can work and there agencies also but by islamic point of view i cant say what i dont know all i know is Dr. AQ khan accepted his mistake on the TV as i heard his speech but you never know what is happening behind the TV screen or what the camera is not recording
Thanks hope you understand my point
everything has two angles one is negative and second is positive so same as that there are things which we know and there are things which we dont know we shouldnt be blaming anyone for anything if we dont have the accurate information i know media is playing a vital role in our lives these days but as i have studied about media i have come to know that it is the thing which changes the thinking of a normal person in the way they want to do as media has changed name of Muslims in Terrorists you know there have been many terrorist which which were jews and christians and hindus also but they are always called by the name of there group not by there religions but after 9/11 that became quiet common in media to call muslims as terrorists same as that many people have tryed to clear the misconceptions of peoples and they have succeed so again the same thing came that some people used media as negative source of information and some took it as positive source so buddy if you dont know that what is going on in Dr.AQ khan's personal life i dont think you should say that no one is taking benefit from his intelligence or knowledge:8:

habibrahet Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:29 PM

salam

Dr. Khan was born in Bhopal, his family migrated from india to Pakistan in 1952. He done his bechlores of sciences in 1960 from Karachi University with majoring in Physics Mettallurgy. After that he obtained the degree of Master of Science (Technology) in 1967 from Delft University of Technology, the Netherlands, and a Doctor of Engineering degree in metallurgical engineering from the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium in 1972.

In 1972 he received his PHD. he joined FDO in amesteredem, netherland.

1976 he came pakistan. he took the charge of Pakistran's urenium errichment program that was under PAEC. later it was took from PAEC and renamed KRL



1999, pakistan carried out the famous five nuclear test (but according to Dr. Samar Mubarak mand, pakistan had already carried out his cold test in 1984, ref. read the attachment)

February 2004, Pakistan govt. reported that Khan had signed a confession indicating that he had provided Iran, Libya, and North Korea with designs [B](please note this point and read attachement)[/B] and technology to aid in nuclear weapons programs, and said that the govt. had not been complicit in the proliferation activities.
On February 4, 2004, Khan appeared on national television and confessed to running a proliferation ring.
he was pardoned the next day by Musharraf, the Pakistani president, but held under house arrest.
August, 2006, the Pakistani govt. announced that Khan had been diagnosed with cancer and was undergoing treatment.

July 2007, 2 govt. officials told the Press that restrictions on Khan had been eased few months ago, and that Khan could meet friends and relatives either at his home or elsewhere in Pakistan. The officials said that a security detail continued to control his movements still.

although he was operated succesfully, in Oct or in nov. his condiotion had deteriorated and he was suffered some vein problem.

[B](*special note:)[/B]

[QUOTE=habibrahet]

But in Pakistan, President of Pakistan fixed Mr. AQ Khan as a VC of an Agricultural University (That post have only the administration work).

I think, it is better that being a VC of a University and a Proved scientist he should be offered to deleiver speech fortnightly in various universities of pakistan to the students of related field, Technical persons and the Junier Scientists in all over in Pakistan. In this way He ( AQ Khan) may pass his inteligence, his experience, to the young generation, rather than only being a vc of a university.

[/QUOTE]


I think i post some wrong information in my last post that i now quoted now.

The VC of a university is another personality having same name i.e. Abdul Qadeer Khan,

[B]i realy very sorry for.[/B]

that may kindly be corrected and read as

[QUOTE=habibrahet]
I think, it is better that being a Proved scientist, he should be offered to deleiver speeches fortnightly in various universities of pakistan to the students of related field, Technical persons and the Junier Scientists in all over in Pakistan. In this way He ( AQ Khan) may pass his inteligence, his experience, to the young generation.
[/QUOTE]

[B]I, realy, again very sorry for my delusion.[/B]

plz note that what i said about a vc of a university is another person named A Q K Rajput rather than Nuclear Scientist AQ Khan.

It was just my delusion but AQ Khan.


here i am attaching a interview of Dr. Samar Mubarak Mund taken by Hamid mir. Plz read that interview, and [B]views of Mr. Mund about Mr. Khan [/B]and think about a person who did not in touch with PAEC, how can be threaded with providing designs and technology to aid in nuclear weapons programs to other countries?

habibrahet Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:53 PM

attachment of my previous post
URL:

[url]http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/4167731/[/url]

[QUOTE=habibrahet][B]

IInterview of Dr.Samar Mubarak-Head of Pakistan Missile Program in WMDs & Missiles

Hamid Mir- This interview is bit outdated as it was given on May 3, 2004 to a popular local channel Geo(live).This interview gives useful insights about Pakistan's Missile and Nuclear related matters.


[B]Hamir Mir - Mr.Samar first of all please tell us when did our nuclear program begin?[/B]

Dr.Samar Mubarak Mand: In 1962 when I was first associated with this program, the first phase of this program was underway, at that time the development of manpower and human resource required for this program was initiated. A large number of people were sent abroad by the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission for higher studies and to acquire PhDs, and they were sent to the world’s best universities and I also went to Oxford for my PhD during that time. So during the 1970s and 80s, manpower was further expanded and developed and trained.

Along with this, in the 1960s the Pakistan Institute of Nuclear Science and Technology, also known as PINSTECH was set up where a research reactor was established. At that time Pakistan consisted of two parts, East and West Pakistan, and at that time a research reactor and an atomic accelerator was also set up at Dhaka, and many scientists were also trained there.



So basically some facilities for research were set up in the country and people were sent abroad for higher studies. So when India conducted its atomic test in 1974, at that time our Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto sahib had already resolved that Pakistan would also run its own atomic program and nuclear weapons program, so when India conducted its test in 1974, this resolve transformed into practical reality.

[B]Hamid Mir: So we can say that research had begun in the 1960s….[/B]
Samar: Yes research had begun in the 1960s.

[B]Hamid Mir: And this practical work on this research began in the 1970s?[/B]
Samar: Yes in the 1970s that research transformed into an atomic program.

[B]Hamid Mir: You joined this research in 1962?[/B]
Samar: Yes I joined the PAEC and began to be associated with this research.

[B]Hamid Mir: Mr. Samar please tell us that the former chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission of Pakistan, late Munir Ahmed Khan sahib once told us that our first cold test was conducted in 1983, will you please tell us something regarding this?[/B]
Samar: Yes, when our program began in 1974, first of all we had to develop an infrastructure, which included a very big design team of nuclear physicists which by the Grace of Allah still exists and is very competent and if required can deliver a new atomic bomb design to the country every three to four months, as per our requirements.


Then facilities were also created for manufacturing, because when a bomb is being designed and made, facilities for explosives are needed, ultra-high precision facilities of mechanical engineering are required, then electronics have to be fully mastered, then once a weapon has been developed, then a totally different technology has to be mastered to test that weapon because testing is such an event that once you press a button, the bomb is detonated and the entire test is over in a few micro-seconds.

So you should have such a capability of testing that in those one or two microseconds, the yield of the bomb is measured accurately and the performance of the bomb is properly gauged and understood. So all this was done and by 1983 the first bomb was also developed, which was ready for a cold test. Then you need some tunnels in the mountains for conducting a test, which should be in a strong rock wherein the tunnels should be constructed so that during a test no radiation or damage is leaked outside the mountain.

This infrastructure also took 5-6 years to develop, and work on it continued from 1977 to 1982-83. When we were ready for a cold test, the government gave us permission to conduct it, and it was the month of March, during which the first cold test was conducted and believe me, it was conducted very discreetly. We drove big trucks without drivers for many hundreds of kilometers ourselves and our scientists acquired heavy driving licenses for this purpose and then conducted the cold test.

[B]Hamid Mir: Where was the cold test conducted?[/B]
Samar: I cannot tell you the site where the cold test was conducted…

[B]Hamid Mir: So the cold test was conducted under your supervision?[/B]
Samar: Yes it was conducted under my supervision because I was the leader of the test team at that time. So when the test took place, Allah Almighty gave us success and believe me the joy that we had for the cold test at that time was so much that we realized that today we have become a nuclear power, but we could not express it because we were told to keep it secret.

[B]Hamid Mir: You just said that our scientists are so competent that they can develop a new bomb design every three to four months but some people in the international media say that Pakistan’s nuclear program is not indigenous and is dependent on bits and pieces (components and equipment) taken from here and there?[/B]
Samar: Look, components and equipment are available throughout the world and their utility is dual use, you can also use them for peaceful applications, like electronic components that can either be used in a radio or can be used in an atomic bomb, there is steel, which can either be used in a bridge or can be used in an atomic bomb also.

So this is no argument, dual use items are available of every kind and from everywhere, which if you need you can acquire. Now you know that the Internet is available, if you go on the Internet, you can get crude designs of a bomb also. But if designs are also available in the world and if materials are also available in the black market, then 30-40 countries in the world should have been able to develop atom bombs by now. What is the thing that is an obstacle for a country to develop this capability of a bomb?

What we are able to gather from our 40-42 year experience is that we have had almost two generations who have been associated with this program. First we trained the manpower, then we began work on the bomb, then we conducted the first cold test, then there was a design in the cold test which we knew would certainly work but where and how would we use it, because it was such a large size which could not be fitted on to a missile or an aircraft.

So after 1983 till 1998, we developed 5-6 more designs, conducted their cold tests and not one but more than one cold tests.

And we confirmed that they were the right designs, and we developed them in large quantities and kept them with us, and when we had a chance, we tested all these designs, and all of them were successful, all six of them. Now after passing through this experience, and after working in this program for so many years, and I mentioned the Internet to you also, and I also talked about materials, after saying all this I think no one should have any doubt in his mind that after acquiring four components from the black market, and after getting a design from the internet, it is not an easy task that any one can do. So anyone cannot do it, because if anyone could do it so easily, then many countries would have done it by now.

[B]Hamid Mir: From 14-15 years, Libya and Iran have been buying components and materials from the black market, but they could not develop anything?[/B]
Samar: This is proof of the fact that they tried very hard to acquire materials from the black market to develop a program but the bottom line is that until and unless there is a human resource available in a country which understands this work to such an extent that it is able to develop and raise this program from zero to 100% all by itself, till then this work cannot be accomplished.

[B]Hamid Mir: There is another important thing, please tell us about it, on 28th May 1998, who carried out the nuclear tests?[/B]
Samar: I was leading that team. I was working for the Atomic Energy Commission at that time. And I have worked in the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission from 1962 to 2001. And because atom bombs were developed in PAEC, the entire testing capabilities were there, all the tunnels were developed by the Atomic Energy Commission, site was theirs, I was leading the team that was looking after this program in the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission from every angle, so it was natural for Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to have given this responsibility to me. And I went to Chaghi with 140 scientists, engineers and technicians and there we conducted these tests.

[B]Hamid Mir: But we had heard that Dr. Qadeer sahib was also present at Chaghi?[/B]


[B]Samar: Look, we cannot carry out an atomic test at the spur of the moment, without preparation. I visited Chaghi for the first time in 1981. We installed the instruments in the tunnels, prepared the tunnels according to our requirements, we built atomic bombs during this time also, conducted their cold tests, and when we were asked to carry out these tests, we were given only six days notice. This work cannot be done in six days alone. [/B]

[B]This was successful in six days only because we were working on and were associated with this program, with the test site, with testing procedures for 20-25 years and we have developed all these processes and procedures ourselves. So technically we had complete mastery over all this work. When these tests were conducted, our team went there on 20th May, and on 28th May, in the early morning, the tunnels were plugged and the preparation for the test was complete and on 28th May, around 3.pm was the time selected for testing. So at that time, at about 2.45 pm, some of our guests arrived to witness the tests, and Dr. Qadeer Khan sahib was also one of them.[/B]



[B]Hamid Mir: He (Qadeer) came to see the tests?[/B]

Samar: Yes he came there to see the tests and it was the first visit of his life to Chaghi. And he came there at the invitation of the chairman of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission, and he arrived 15 minutes prior to the explosions. At that time we were present at a remote site 15-20 kms away from the test site from where we had to conduct the tests. So he came there and joined us in the Dua and then we conducted the test in his presence and we showed him the test and other guests also saw the test.

[B]Hamid Mir: Now the general impression in the world is that tests were only carried out on 28th May, was there any test on 30th May as well? [/B]
Samar: We carried out five tests on 28th May, and we conducted another test on 30th May. We have another test site, which is approximately 150 kms away from Chaghi, which is in a desert, and this was an underground test. The Chaghi tests were carried out in tunnels inside a mountain. So the test on May 30 was of immense importance for us because we tested the last and latest design of the atom bomb that we had developed, and we had already carried out its cold test, so we had to test the design of this test on May 30.

And this bomb is very small in size and is very efficient and powerful in yield and this bomb is fitted on to many of our delivery systems such as missiles and aircraft. So it was very important for us that this test should be successful and Allah Almighty gave us a lot of success in it.

[B]Hamid Mir: Mr,Samar we are listening to the story of Pakistan’s nuclear program and nuclear tests from you and surely a common Pakistani is very happy to know that Pakistan has now become nuclear power, but some people say that Pakistan’s nuclear program has been rolled back?[/B]
Samar: Look; if a program has to be rolled back, you should keep an eye on three to four things. First of all the manpower, the human resource and the people who are working on the program, if the government wishes to roll back the program, the first thing it will do will be to break that team. There is a perception in our country, may be it is because we live in South Asia where there is the concept of idol worship.

We tend to associate one particular individual with every work, we consider him to be our hero, and people think that this program is going on only because of this one individual, and there is a major flaw in this thinking, that if for some reason you remove that hero from the scene, so common people will think that the program has ended. So the perception of roll back will automatically emerge if you associate the success of the whole program with this one individual.

Today I want to tell you in very clear terms that in the nuclear program, in developing a nuclear weapon, there are 15-20 technologies involved, which include uranium exploration, mining of uranium, refining of uranium, you have to dig out uranium from the earth, then convert it into gas, then its enrichment, then it has to be converted into metal, then it has to be machined, then explosives have to be developed and machined and given the shape of an atomic bomb.

Then there are many other things which are used in the making of a bomb and which are developed, and I don’t want to go into their details now, then designs have to be developed in which a team of nuclear scientists and physicists is involved, then there has to be a test team so that when a bomb has been made, it is tested, and I have told you that in a test you have to obtain the complete data in one micro-second on how the bomb has performed, then tunnels have to be constructed which is the job of geo scientists, then if you have to convert this bomb into a deliverable weapon, because otherwise it is only a device which you can put on the ground and detonate it by joining afew wires, but if you have to deliver it by an aircraft or a missile.

It involves many other requirements such as radars, electronics, computers, and when all these systems and technologies are integrated, only then a deliverable weapon is developed. Now in these 15-20 technologies, in each one of these technologies we have a scientist of international repute, international eminence and international level who is leading that particular team, who has 600 to 1000 men working under him who are middle-level, lower-level and technician-level people.

In the same way you can take the case of missiles. In missiles, there are more technologies involved that an atomic bomb and if I go into their details, it will take a lot of time, and there also there are 15-20 people of this level, who pertain to guidance, controls, aerodynamics, of designing and developing rocket motors.

[B]Hamid Mir: So Mr.Samar you were saying that all people are working in their fields and the program has not been rolled back?[/B]
Samar: Yes absolutely, and the second thing that needs to be seen is that if the government wished to roll back the program, it can cut our budget. I assure you that each year we get our budget as per our requirements and it is never cut and even now our budget is the same as it used to be in the past many years and the government is also very serious to take this program forward.

So in this respect I assure you that the budget we require is provided to us, we spend it with a lot of responsibility, there are many checks and balances over us, our audit is conducted regularly, and our scientists work with a lot of honesty. Then the third thing that has to be seen is that you keep getting technical targets and the government continues to give us technical targets about what we have to do.

So if you are given money and you also have the human resource but you don’t have work to do, even then the program can be rolled back. You should note that first we built the Ghaznavi, then we tested it, then we developed Shaheen-I, version 1, and tested it in 1999, then we developed Shaheen-I, version 2 , which had a greater range than the previous one, and then in October 2002, we conducted its two tests, then in October 2003, we conducted two tests of Shaheen-I, version 2, before that in May 2002 we conducted tests of Ghauri and Abdali. Last year we delivered the missiles and mobile launchers of Shaheen missiles to Pakistan Army and we equipped one complete regiment/battery with these missiles.

Now we have again equipped the Army with a battery of Ghaznavi missiles along with launchers, so what does this mean? it means that new missiles are being developed, their new versions are being developed, when we first fired Shaheen-I, its accuracy was different, and now its accuracy is less than 90 meters, Ghaznavi’s accuracy is 58 meters.

[B]Hamid Mir: Will you please tell us what is 58 meters and 90 meters accuracy?[/B]
Samar: Now Shaheen’s full range is 700 kms, in the last test, we placed a flag in the ground after completing 700 kms, there neutral observers were stationed and were asked to tell us themselves where the missile falls and we fired the missile from 700 kms away and the missile hit the ground within 90 meters of the target.

[B]Hamid Mir: Now some of our very responsible column writers, on the basis of foreign media reports, are writing that Pakistan’s missile program has been rolled back and some American codes have been installed on those missiles which are known only to the Americans and not to us and whenever we would need to fire the missile, we will have to ask the codes from America and only then the missile would be launched?[/B]
Samar: Look, if we can develop a complicated thing like a missile or a difficult thing like a nuclear weapon, then we know full well how to safeguard them also. We don’t need to get these codes from anywhere. We have a National Command Authority, which has a Command and Control Wing, which controls all our nuclear weapons and missiles. We have adopted the world’s most advanced command and control system.

And it is a very important part of that system that secret codes must be installed in all our weapons. When a weapon needs to be used, the person who is using it is given the code a few moments prior to the weapon’s use, and when he feeds that code via the computer, then that weapon is armed and the weapon can only be used in this way. So we have developed these codes ourselves and when these codes are installed at the time of the manufacture of these weapons and they cannot be installed on them later on. Our Command Authority knows what are these codes and these are very secure.

[B]Hamid Mir: You have told us a very important point that these codes cannot be fitted into these weapons after they have been manufactured?[/B]
Samar: Yes these codes are fitted at the time of manufacture and it is not possible for anyone to take these weapons somewhere and then use them or detonate them and these weapons cannot be used by anyone who wishes to use them. Their safety is of immense significance and we take great care of this at the time of their manufacture.

[B]Hamid Mir: You said that you also know how to protect these weapons. There is a famous journalist Seymour Hersh who has also written many books, his research articles are published in New Yorker magazine, a few days back he was in Pakistan, here he said that Pakistan’s atomic assets are very unsafe and if religious extremists rebel against the government and declare war or topple the government, they can take these atomic weapons and missiles somewhere else, can this happen?[/B]
Samar: No this is impossible, it is just like creating a popular story, it does not happen like this, it is a very serious matter, I will put a nuclear weapon on the road, you can keep it there for 10 months and I guarantee you that no one can use it or detonate it or cause any destruction from it. These weapons cannot be used like this.

[B]Hamid Mir: How is it possible Mr.Samar, if you put such a weapon on the road and I will give a truck to a suicide bomber who will hit the weapon on the road.??[/B]
Samar: No, he will only break the nuclear weapon by hitting it but it will not detonate. If an atomic bomb which is fitted onto a missile or an aircraft and if that missile or aircraft is launched and crashes inside your own country, that weapon will not work, the weapon will fall and break but will not detonate.

There is a mechanism and procedure for its detonation, first you give it a code, if you throw a weapon on the ground, it will break but a nuclear explosion will not take place, the explosive inside it will explode, but the nuclear reaction that has to take place will not be triggered. It will be just like detonating 100 kg of explosives.

[B]Hamid Mir: So when Mr. Seymour Hersh who is a senior American journalist writes such things, he does not have information or writes only for propaganda?[/B]
Samar: I think his designs are only for propaganda and as I said his aims would be to publish a popular story, as there is no science in what he is saying. Weapons don’t work like this.

[B]Hamid Mir: Now if we talk of missiles, you have told us something about Ghaznavi, what is Shaheen, you have now fired Shaheen-II also?[/B]
Samar: Shaheen-II is the front line missile of the entire family of missiles being made Pakistan, starting from Hatf-I to Abdali, to Ghaznavi to Shaheen-I version I and Shaheen-I version II to this Shaheen-II. Shaheen-II is a solid fuelled missile, it is a very big missile and weighs 25 tons and consists of two-stages.

It has a rocket motor which activates when the missile lifts off which takes the missile to a height of 25 kms after which the rocket motor of second stage is activated and the first stage rocket motor separates at this stage.

Then the second stage motor takes the missile to a height of 130 kms and after this its re-entry vehicle which includes the warhead and terminal guidance and control system, this is known as re-entry vehicle, this is then separated from the second stage motor which then takes it forward and after making very accurate corrections takes the missile to a height of 600 kms in orbit after which the missile is brought down and it enters the atmosphere and hits the target.

[B]Hamid Mir: A while ago you were telling us that you conducted the first test of Shaheen-I in 1999, then in 2002, then in October 2003, why did you conduct tests of Shaheen-I again and again?[/B]
Samar: When missiles are produced, and by the Grace of Allah these missiles are now in mass production, we are also giving them to the Army and there is a qualification procedure for missiles. One batch is manufactured and one missile is fired and tested from that batch. So if that missile performs accurately as per its specifications, then it is said that the whole batch has qualified.

[B]Hamid Mir: Now Dr. Sahib lets talk something about proliferation. I have this four year old advertisement which was published in Pakistan’s English newspapers and at that time you were in the Atomic Energy Commission.
The advertisement is from the Ministry of Commerce but there is also mention of the Atomic Energy Commission in it and this advertisement which contains a list and enriched uranium is also included in that list and it says that Pakistan is willing to export a lot of nuclear materials along with enriched uranium and other equipment and materials. [/B]
[B]At that time you were in the Atomic Energy Commission and on the basis of this advertisement the leader of opposition Benazir Bhutto in many western countries is claiming that during the era of General Pervez Musharraf proliferation started. So would you like to give a response to this?[/B]
Samar: I do wish to clarify this issue. This advertisement is an advertisement of an application form which was given in the newspaper by the Ministry of Commerce. If you look at this application form, all the countries in the world who manufacture nuclear materials or such dual use items which can be used in nuclear programs and have peaceful uses also, all such countries in order to prevent such materials and equipment from falling into wrong hands via export, this form is also available in all those countries.

If any person wants to sell any such material or component outside his country, and if someone from a foreign country wants to purchase any such material or component from him, first such a person has to fill this application form, and take permission from the respective ministry of commerce for export. And the ministry of commerce asks the buyer where he intends to use that material or component and asks an end use certificate from that buyer.

The ministry then decides on the basis of the end use certificate whether the material or component should be exported to that buyer or not. And if the ministry of commerce grants an export license, only then that material or component can be exported. Pakistan in order to bring its export control culture to the level of advanced countries of the world who are nuclear powers has adopted this application form, which is an international form, and asked the ministry of commerce to advertise it so that if someone wants to sell any dual use item or material outside this country.

So first he fills this form and takes permission from the government. It is not that we are always ready to sell these materials, this form is an advertisement of a list of materials that if someone wishes to buy any items from this list of material mentioned in the advertisement, he will have to first fill this form and take permission from the government.


[B]Hamid Mir: Can Pakistan sell enriched uranium to any country or organization or person after filling this form?[/B]

Samar: Look, it depends on how much enriched uranium someone wants to buy from you. Someone can buy one milligram from you also, it has medical applications, you know that all the treatment in cancer hospitals is through nuclear materials that emit radiations. These radiations are used in cancer treatment.

Similarly, a lot of research work is done in universities by students and they use these materials in very small quantities, not even one gram, but they study the properties of materials by taking a thousandth part of a gram of such materials and also study the energy of the radiations from these materials. When we were students at Oxford, we had worked with these materials.

[B]Hamid Mir: Mr.Samar, we are talking about proliferation. There are many reports in foreign newspapers that some people after making and copying some drawings and formulas have sent them abroad, these people can be a very big threat and in this way atomic technology and secrets can be transferred to someone else. So is such a thing possible?[/B]
Samar: Look, I want to say this with a lot of clarity that if you are working in the nuclear program in the country, you sign an oath of secrecy on the first day of your work, all of us have signed this oath of secrecy and we understand it and we follow it very strictly.

We have worked for 42 years on this program and in our department (PAEC) this culture was very strictly enforced that we will not even tell the other Directorate about or work, which are the Directorates of the Atomic Energy Commission also. Any person who required any information, he was given restricted access to that information according to his requirement only. Even the scientists working on different projects would not discuss their work with each other or amongst themselves.

So this was the act of secrecy. Therefore if any scientist has violated the act of secrecy by exporting any secret, any document or paper, or any equipment or technology to any extent, this is a violation of the act of secrecy and I believe this is a very big injustice done to the nation because it is a trust that the nation has in us from day one and we should not violate this trust. Now regarding the issue of proliferation, and I am talking in the context of the world that the world has said that Pakistan has committed proliferation, there is a very obvious thing in all this, and because we are experimentalists and we have actually worked on the bomb, if someone would give me some drawings and formulas and ask me to build an atom bomb, so can I do it?

To build a bomb, I would need training, I would need those machines by which atom bomb is manufactured, I would need raw materials, components which I can use in those machines to build a bomb, and most importantly I would need test equipment to test if bomb has been properly developed and works accurately or not.

Now these are five things, design, training, materials, machines, and test equipment. Now for any country that does not know anything about such a program, if it is provided with one or two of these things or steps, so even then it cannot build an atom bomb until it does not have that human resource which is capable of developing that program from beginning to the end indigenously.

[B]Hamid Mir: So what you are saying is that even if someone has given some secrets and drawings to Iran, Libya and North Korea, unless these countries have proper trained people with them, they cannot build nuclear weapons?[/B]
Samar: Yes unless there would be proper trained people in these countries, who have been educated in these disciplines and have the mental ability to accomplish this task from beginning to the end, if they have such a capability and you give them some things, then may be their program that would normally take 9.5 years if it would otherwise take them 10 yrs to accomplish this task because of your help and if they don’t have the capability, they will never be able to do it and the proof of this is the fact that it has been 14 yrs for people to have taken drawings, but nothing has been done till now.

[B]Hamid Mir: So then what is the black market, why is the IAEA is so scared of the black market and is saying that some scientists have links with the black market?[/B]
Samar: Yes , as I mentioned to you earlier, the black market can cut short the time for your program and if you would need 10 years to do something, then because of the black market you may be able to do it in 8 years if you can get some things from the black market. But if you are able to get some things from the market but you don’t have the capability for doing other things, then you cannot reach anywhere.

So this point needs to be understood that we have developed a capability over 40 years, we have 50,000 trained people who are working and who understand their work, we have machines, infrastructure, materials, we have our own uranium, and we have everything of our own.

If today I have to buy some steel from somewhere which is not available in Pakistan or if I have to buy some electronic components which are also used in a radio and which are not made in my country, so if I buy some of these components from the market instead of building everything myself, it will only save me some time, but if someone were to give me some nuts and bolts and four transistors and ask me to build an atom bomb, so I will not be able to do it.



[B]Hamid Mir: Mr.Samar, after listening to your talk, a question would have come up in the minds of many viewers and the question is very genuine, that question I put in front of you, if the 1983 cold test was conducted by Dr. Samar Mubarakmand, if the atomic tests of 28th May 1998 were also conducted by Dr. Samar Mubarakmand, so then what did Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan do?[/B]



Samar: Look I have told you very clearly……



[SIZE="6"][B]Hamid Mir: No, what was his /[B](Dr. A.Q. Khan)[B]role then?[/B][/SIZE]

Samar: His role was also of importance. We had designed the atomic bomb and manufactured it, we needed fuel for that, you can take the example that you have manufactured a motorcar for which we need petrol, so the fuel is enriched uranium, and Dr. Qadeer Khan had a very competent team of scientists, and most of them had gone there from the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission, and Dr. Qadeer was the administrator of this team in Kahuta. And this team at Kahuta developed and installed the facilities, which are necessary for the enrichment of uranium.

So this is also one very important link in 15-20 equally important links needed for building an atomic bomb. So uranium itself is explored, refined and transformed into gaseous form by the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission and then this gaseous uranium goes to Kahuta where it is enriched which is also a difficult job and which is accomplished by the scientists of Kahuta, and there is a very big team of 10-12000 people who are working there, and after the uranium has been enriched, it is handed back to the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission where it is converted into metal and then used as fuel in a bomb, which is also developed by PAEC.

[B]Hamid Mir: Also please tell us what is difference between Ghauri and Shaheen missiles? It is commonly presumed that the Ghauri was the brainchild of Dr. A.Q.Khan?[/B]

Samar: Ghauri missile runs on liquid fuel. The entire family of Shaheen missiles, Ghaznavi, Abdali, Shaheen version I & II etc are all solid fuelled missiles. The complete system of solid fuel missiles is designed and developed in my organization, NESCOM; all these solid fuelled missiles are designed, developed and mass-produced in NESCOM. And the Ghauri missile program began in Kahuta but at present the warhead of Ghauri is also developed in NESCOM and is our responsibility because warheads of Shaheen system missiles or Ghauri or for fighter aircraft are all developed by NESCOM.

[B]Hamid Mir: You remained associated with Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission for 40 years, now NESCOM has been established, what is the reason behind its establishment and what is its role?[/B]


Samar: Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission is a research institution and in research one thing is first created and tested and is then brought to such a level where it can be used and is ready to be mass-produced. But when you have to undertake mass production of a particular item, whether it is a missile of nuclear warheads, which you have to develop and produce in large numbers, and when they are produced in such a way that they can be used by the Army or the Air Force, for this purpose a dedicated and separate organization is always established, whose responsibility is to produce strategic weapons in large numbers.

[B]Hamid Mir: Thank you very much Dr. Samar Mubarakmand.[/B]
Source: Pakistan Military Consortium

Hamid Mir, the author of the interview, is a top Pakistani reporter, head of the Geo TV Bureau in Islamabad. He has won a world-wide acclaim for his interviews with Osama bin Laden and Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, before and following 9/11. His new book about OBL is due to appear in Britain, later this year.
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erick Sunday, July 22, 2018 03:37 PM

we are muslim
 
yes we are muslims.

ayaanleo Thursday, August 16, 2018 06:39 PM

In the current era, all "seems" to be hypocrites! Specially those who have "long beard", which they use for the sake of Islam. There is a saying which they don't follow..."Islam is not in beard but rather beard is in Islam". They show off about Islam and impose others to do the same by brain washing innocent (or I may say illiterate or those carrying degree without knowledge).


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