Iran's Blame over Pakistan
 

Iran is blaming that the Suicide attacker is citizen of Pakistan.
American policy working..........??????:vangry:vangry

I must say , Iranian govt. is very much responsible than pakistani govt. Bombers strike one time and they seal the border with Pakistan. I just don't understand why pakistani govt. is unable to do so the same thing with our border with Afghanistan???? No reasons seems right for this lack of responsibility.

2ndly , how dare they call our Ambassador after the attack? I always thought that Iran is a friend of Pakistan and such actions are really provoking hate among people.Iran's relations with Pakistan are far more important and concrete. Iran should realize that Pakistan is fighting two wars with its own foolish people from FATA AND BALOCHISTAN , rather than placing blame , it should co-operate with Pakistan on every level .

We have stupid leadership, insincere to their vary soil... but Iranian leadership is commited to its land.

Please friends keep in mind that there is no friend of foe in international politics/diplomacy. though Iranian might take Pakistanis with esteem but for their own interests they seldom make any compromise.

to tell you frankly that Iranian are not much friendly to Pakistan in terms of their policies. yes she should cooperate with Pakistan but they are well aware of the thing that Pakistani leadership is foul dancing at the tune of west so they wont take any step risking their sovereignty.....

this is not blame ,unfortunately tis is reality and we must accept it.ignoring facts wont do good for us ,our govt shd sit down and think wen every country in the region is blaming us so there is something terribly wrong here

Hi :)

It seems an impulsive reaction but not a speculation either. Because the responsible terrorist group has roots in the Baluchistan region of Pakistan (Since Baluchistan is geographically distributed among Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan).The terrorist outfit ,the Jand-Allah group is against the Shia rule in Sistan-Baluchistan area. They have raised arms against the government .The situation is similar to that of Pakistan where Taliban is up against the government on the pretext of Islamic rule. The character of the said group is shrouded in mystery .

There are opinions of CIA's involvement in supporting the activities of this group. The Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan is also believed behind this group. The Indian RAW is deemed as responsible in backing this group to sabotage relations between Pakistan & Iran..

It goes without saying that, there are vested interests of World power in this region whether it is Afghanistan, US or India. The Invisible forces are all set to achieve their covert intentions....:thinking

@aliz khan
 

just mind ur language by calling fool to FATA AND BALOUCHISTAN ppl
u are not a kid to make u understand that international conspiracy is
beeing hatched against pakistan.We are same ppl as v were before 9/11
ther was no sucide bombs and terrorism in this area,, . just analyse the
situation of quetta from 1947 till to 2001 ther was not even single
brawl ,, however after US intervention all this unrest was created,
and you Mr ,ali khan went on calling your country men fool,,now
u should repent of ur statement----- it does suit u to pronounce
and utter such words

khan is quit right
 

there is game plan of RAW, CIA and MOSAD, RAW and Indian are building Afghan to Iran roads for linking afghan to Iran ports. Iran is covert american and jewish ally, what i think.

[QUOTE=drmkshahzed;147859]there is game plan of RAW, CIA and MOSAD, RAW and Indian are building Afghan to Iran roads for linking afghan to Iran ports. Iran is covert american and jewish ally, what i think.[/QUOTE]

Face reality as it is, not as it was or as you wish it to be. We are a (hollow) nation which believes in only one thing i.e. [B]conspiracy theories[/B]. This reflects our backwardness, illiteracy and stupidity. I believe its my own country which is a covert ally of the U.S, India, Al-Qaeda, Saudi Arabia, Israel and EU.

Iran has two things which we don't: vision and dignity

We just love to put the blame of our own follies on other nations, agencies, forces, lobbies etc.

It is very embarrassing but we are not embarrassed at all.

Its time for us wake up as an integrated nation to control our own destiny or someone else will.

regards,
floydian

Brother analyse situation
 

that are not the conspiracy theories but facts. The attacks are so managed and targeted that can never be done with out the help and support of such elements.

i thnk before blaming other countries we should identify the Black-Sheep in our country.it is unfortnate-Reality. Iran demanded from pakistan the leader of Jind-Allah , whom the think is working against them and the same group accepted the responsibility. while replying a question about iran's demand our interior minister mr malik said that the leader of the Jind-Allah is not in pakistan but, i have shared solid info, he is in Afghanistan. we hve handed over him to iran , as we had handed over them Brother of the Jind-Allah head.

so, it is a fact that iran has a right to do so havng kept in mind past experience.

iran is not right
 

dear iran is not right in blame on Pak, Iran is covert ally i again endorse of US and israel. Iran blamed on Pak earlier that they have taken nuclear technology from Pak just to gain some of its vested interests from Russia. More over Iran's official hatred against sunnies and their support even militancy in Pakistan (as they did during past to a religious sect which in turn created a long religious conflict in Pak. which is the mother of the current conflict i.e sipa sahaba and shia militant fight), but Pakistan never blamed on Iran. why indian are linking by construction of roads and railway to Iran? There are also stong evedences of iran involvement in Baluchistan crises but you have never lesson that Pak blame on Iran. This Iranian blame is proving and will be a part of international and specially Indian campaign that Pakistan is interfering in neighbors matters.
Moreover Iran never supported to Pak issue on Kashmir.

As we are in state of war, our lion hearts are fighting to fortify the cital of this rich state, no matter, howlong will it take to rid off the existence of miscreants? However, Pakistan need a strong chain of friends from all over the world at the moment. As for as Iam concerned, the blasts may be a part of conspiracy theory and a step to make the bilateral relationships between Islamabad-Tehran off.

We should not focus over the sectarian point of view (shia-suni)....as some of our moderators enlighted.....these things are an axe to unity. Moreover, Islam forbids to be in sects.

Let us be united and pray for those who in the war.

[QUOTE=aliz_khanz;147679] Pakistan is fighting two wars with its own foolish people from FATA AND BALOCHISTAN [/QUOTE]


Such a GREAT shame if you think like this!

Dear Reader,

I Greet you in Islamic Way: Asalam-o-Alikum

Iran blaming Pakistan, is sort of right thing by Iran but rhetoric is not accurate, We have to admit it suicide bomber went from Pakistan and did his activity caused several injuries and death blow. If we read articles at Guardian and Al-Jazera about Iran blaming Pakistan or Iran demanding to handover culprits are much clear explained in those websites.

The thing is to realize, why every Muslim country is indulge in war inside its own country. I accept the views of [B]Dr.MkShahzad[/B] there are definitely some agencies behind it, If we read the history we will find Many Foreign Intelligence Agencies performed many operations false flag for their long lasting benefits. Parl Harbour is classic example if we go into its details.

I personally Like the way Iran stood against evil forces. I like how the way they are facing challenges like IAEA, UN and such like. Instead of getting angry on their demand, We should learn from them how much serious they are against only one Bomb Explosion.

The difference between them (Western) and Us (Muslims) is, they made strategies and we plan.


Regards,

An only theocratic state in the world
 

Salaam o Alikum
At present, Iran is an only theocratic state in the world, is an enigma--a fundamentalist religious regime and an industrialized democracy, a country where women are educated and can legally vote but can be subject to arrests, beatings, and imprisonment, a country where youth who use Face book ostensibly reelect political candidates with an 11th-century concept of divine right law. It is nationalistic and cosmopolitan, theocratic and modern, fundamentalist and socialist
Iran Has Executed Tens of Thousands in 16 Years, Iran has executed tens of thousands of suspected government opponents in the last 16 years and kept large numbers of political prisoners languishing in jail, Amnesty International said Wednesday.
Opposition activists have been targeted for attack over the past 18 months and even Iranian dissidents who fled abroad are not safe, the London-based rights group said in 17- page report.
Despite Iran's refusal to allow human rights investigators into the country, Tehran has not been able to hide its "appalling human rights record,"Amnesty said.
Over the past 15 years, scores of dissidents living outside Iran have been "assassinated in circumstances suggesting they may have been extrajudicially executed by Iranian government agents," it said.
The report cites cases of long-term political prisoners held without trial, and suspected executions of government opponents both inside and outside Iran by government agents...
Four leaders of religious minority groups _ three Christians and a Sunni Muslim _ were found dead recently in suspicious circumstances, believed killed by Iranian government agents, the report said...

In another incident, Iranian security officials arrested a prominent Baloch cleric in early August 2008, setting off a wave of protests in the province. Iranian authorities then bulldozed the Abu Hanifa mosque and school in Zabol a few weeks later and arrested students and members of the congregation, sparking further outrage among the Baloch.
The latest spate of violence was sparked by Iran's refusal to heed Jundullah's June 2008 demand that it release Abdulhamid Rigi, the brother of Jundullah founder and leader Abdulmalak Rigi, along with three other jailed members of Jundullah. Pakistani authorities detained Rigi and his associates in Quetta in neighboring Pakistan's Balochistan province for attempting to pass as Pakistani nationals.
The men were later transferred into Iranian custody. After the handover, Jundullah ambushed an Iranian police outpost and abducted 16 police officers in Saravan, a town located near the Pakistani border.
Dear Brother, I am not in opine with out any fact, in today Jang news paper you can read the news that Iranian official have meetings with Israeli authorities as being uveiled by Israeli Media. This is not a conspiracy theory but a covert operation.
Pakistan is ever cooprated Iran, now you tell can Pakistan builed another Milatry Camp at Iranian border to save it? Iran which have more than six militant groups operated in its terortory should have to correct the griviences and to tackle them its self despite an open blame on Pakistan.

References:
1. [url]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KB20Ak02.html[/url]
2. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah[/url]
3. [url]http://www.iran-e-azad.org/english/amnesty.html[/url]
4. [url]http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/iran101.htm[/url]
5. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirin_Ebadi[/url]
6. [url]http://167.206.149.213/Exe/ZyNET.exe/WRK2000006VY.txt?ZyActionD=ZyDocument&Client=ihrdc&Index=IHRDC%20Public%20Documents&Query=sistan&Time=&EndTime=&SearchMethod=1&TocRestrict=n&Toc=&TocEntry=&QField=&QFieldYear=&QFieldMonth=&QFieldDay=&UseQField=&IntQFieldOp=0&ExtQFieldOp=0&File=C:\ZYIMAGE%20DATA\INDEX%20DATA\PUBLIC\TXT\2008\10\00000000\WRK2000006VY.txt&User=ANONYMOUS&Password=anonymous&SortMethod=h|-&MaximumDocuments=10&FuzzyDegree=0&ImageQuality=r105g16/r105g16/x150y150g16/i600&Display=hpfr&DefSeekPage=f&SearchBack=ZyActionL&Back=ZyActionS&BackDesc=Results%20page&MaximumPages=1&ZyEntry=1&SeekPage=f[/url]
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13. [url]http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/feature-stories/human-rights-violations-persist-iran-30-years-islamic-revolution-20090209[/url]

Dear Reader,

I Greet you in Islamic Way: Asalam-o-Alikum

@ Dr.MKShazad, Brother always use "Asalam" means " Peace Upon you" and "Salam" Means " Death upon you".

Sources:

1) [url]http://www.hallagulla.com/urdu/discussion-corner-65/meaning-salam-130289.html[/url]
2) According to Dr.Zakir Naik


Regards,

thanks for correction,
But,bunko Sir, you did not commented about our discussion about Iran.

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Best Research Paper to understand Iran's Forign Policy and covert Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.............

[B][SIZE=4]The Evolution of Foreign Policy in Iran Since the Revolution[/SIZE][/B]

Abstract:

This year (2009) marks the 30th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution. Assessing Iranian foreign policy in the last thirty years since the Revolution takes us through a number of a major wars and conflicts in the region and to Iran’s development as a regional power. This essay explores the evolution of the theocracy’s foreign policy since 1979. At times, Islam influenced some important foreign policy decisions. However, more often than not realism guided Iran’s actions. Although religious rhetoric often billowed from Friday sermons and speeches, pragmatic policies driven by a basic understanding of realism generally determined foreign policy. While Islamic language would be employed to defend policy, as the regime moved further away from the Revolution in 1979, the policies were more often driven by realism than Islam. Alternatively one might say that Iran’s foreign policy was driven by Islamic Realpolitik with more emphasis on power politics than religious piety. To explore the realism inherent in Iranian foreign policy this essay will examine the war with Iraq (1980-88), the Iran-Contra Affair, cooperation with the United States in Afghanistan, Iran’s pursuit of nuclear energy and its relations with other Islamic states.
Ref.
[URL]http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/3/6/2/4/4/p362443_index.html[/URL]

[SIZE=4][B]Jundollah blamed [SIZE=2](it [Jundollah] is a local organisation)[/SIZE][/B][/SIZE]

Ahmadinejad's accusation came after Iranian state media blamed Sunni group Jundollah for the attack in the city of Pisheen.

But other Iranian officials and academics point the finger of blame at the United States and the United Kingdom.

Mohammad Marandi, an assistant professor at the University of Tehran, told Al Jazeera the attack could further damage Iran's relations with the US.

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"On the one hand, the Americans are talking about rapprochement and building a new future, yet at the same time we see the Americans supporting groups in [Iran's] Kurdish regions as well as in Sistan-Baluchestan," he said.
Washington has denied involvement with the group, which it has labelled as a "terrorist" organisation, and condemned the attack.

"We condemn this act of terrorism and mourn the loss of innocent lives," Ian Kelly, the US state department spokesman, said in a statement soon after the blast occurred.

"Reports of alleged US involvement are completely false," he said.

Tehran has also suggested that Saudi Arabia and Britain may have supported Jundollah to stir up trouble in the border area.

Majid Tafreshi, an Iranian researcher at University College London who specialises in ethnic and religious minorities, said there were clues as to the involvement of Western nations.

"Generally you cannot find any proof about this claim, but there are some clues," he told Al Jazeera. "The previous American governments used to play with ethnic minority and ethnic religious groups to play with Iranian politics."

On wanted list

Tafreshi said "you can see in British media nowadays that people who are representative of this terrorist group are easily working and talking to British media and involved in politics and lobbying parliament ... while this group is on the terrorist list and its leaders on the wanted list of Interpol."

Al Jazeera's Nazanine Moshiri, reporting from Tehran, said: "There's a history in Iran of pointing the finger at foreign outside intervention for causing instability.


"There was a report in the New Yorker about a year ago by the journalist Seymour Hersh who said the United States Congress had secretly agreed to President [George] Bush's funding of about $400m to give Washington a free hand in arming and funding militant groups like Jundollah.
"Obviously those claims haven't been backed up by any evidence but the Iranians do believe the Americans have been helping Jundollah in their fight in the southeast."

But some analysts have rejected the idea that the West supports Jundollah and other ethnic groups.

Ali Nouri Zada, the director of the Arab-Iranian Studies Centre in London, told Al Jazeera: "It's very easy to point at Saudi, to the British and Americans ... [but] it [Jundollah] is a local organisation,"

Zada noted that relations between Iran and Pakistan have been generally good in recent years and the neighbours are co-operating on plans to build a natural gas pipeline link.

[B][SIZE=4]Ahmadinejad baseless claim[/SIZE][/B]

Ahmadinejad has asked Pakistan to
hand over 'the criminals' to Tehran [AFP]
Iran's president has accused Pakistan of having links to the bombers who carried out a suicide attack on Sunday in the republic's Sunni-majority southeast that left at least 42 people dead.

The Fars news agency on Monday quoted Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as saying that he knew "some security agents in Pakistan are co-operating with the main elements of this terrorist incident" in Sistan-Baluchestan province.

"We regard it as our right to demand these criminals from them", he said, without giving further details.

The head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Major-General Muhammad Ali Jafari, named the prime suspect behind the bombing as Abd ul-Malik Rigi - who is believed to be based in Pakistan.

Jafari said Tehran would send a delegaton to Islamabad to deliver "proof to them so they know that the Islamic Republic is aware of Pakistan's support".

He also expressed his belief that US and British intelligence services were involved and that there would "have to be retaliatory measures to punish them".

And state television said Iran's foreign ministry summoned a senior Pakistani diplomat in Tehran and informed him that "the perpetrators of this attack came to Iran from Pakistan".

But a Pakistani foreign ministry spokesman rejected the claim. "Pakistan is not involved in terrorist activities ... we are striving to eradicate this menace," he said.

ref.
[URL]http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/10/2009101955217972717.html[/URL]

Dear Dr.MkShazad

I Greet you in Islamic Way: Asalam-o-Alikum

Dear, Terrorist don't have any nation or state. Whether in Iran there are 6 Militants groups or 7, Whether in Pakistan, we have 7 or 8, Doesn't matter. Truth is Pakistan is HQ of ever terrorist of the world, which is also confirmed by the world media. If we even put torch in night at Quetta, Waziristan and other relevant cities, Wanted terrorist wouldl appear. We can see Suicide bombing in myriads in pakistan.

It is not right to blaming Iran, of killing youth, beating women, bulldozing Mosque and others like.Pakistan is not behind in this category also, We should not forget Lal Masjid, Exporting Pakistani Nationals, and countless Afghans are detained in the custody of Pakistan. Every Coin have two heads; Truth and false, Western Countries and Agencies owns Media, So we cant blame anyone just believing Western News, Iran Electrion Propaganda is not very old Issue, I beleive you are well aware of Mr.Hossain Musavi, Do you know brother, Who was his wife best friend ?? Mrs. Obama; In my Last post i have said, We make Plans and West, Strategies. So which is the stronger and lost lasting you can compare.

And Yes off course, We should not forget Dr.Afifa Siddique, A women terrorist Ally. (See: this is just media, What is truth only Allah knows, So we don't know whether they bulldozed Mosque and killed Innocent or Beat Women Terrorist)

One thing, Iran showed the world he haw ability and guts to answer " I am not with you " of question " Are you With us or against us" Thats what i like.


Regards,

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Dear Reader,

I Greet you Islamic Way: Asalam-o-Alikum

We all are aware of current situation of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and NATO.
If you even ask, any uneducated person that who is enemy of Iran and Iran stood against Who, He will answer you US.

Now it is proved that 9/11, Was a operation false flag like Parl harbour. So is this difficult for thinktanks to make a cause to bring fight among Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and India. Pakistan moved away from India, And why? We all aware of. Pakistan took aside from Afghanistan, Why? And we aware of. Pakistan is now zipping his relation with Iran, Why? same reason " Terrorism ".

According to Zahid hamid, A defence Analyst, He predict in his shows that Pakistan is not too far to takeover by US or India, And it is proving now. A document revealed on Internet that It is in the Secret documents of the countries to make other countries to work under them. either takeover their Nuclear Plant or destroy it. And if we compare our situation with that document, that shows that we are in Phase - 1 according to that document. ( Sorry I dont remember the Source )

If we compare this situation, with military recent Operation in South Waziristan. Malititary cut off all the resources of terrorist, make them sit on their knees and collecting effective result. Same situation is with us. We have No Economy, No Protection to Civilians as well as Army, No GDP, No Employment and Now We don't have any NEIGHBOR. Yes But what we have in bulks of Corruption.

The reason behind above paragraph was to discuss with you that Power of Developed countries. The power Iran is facing these days. If it was not the same i am thinking and others like me, That occasion will never happen when Mr.Qadhafi declared Union Council as " Terror Council "


Note: This is Just for Discussion and Knowledge, Nothing offensive against Anyone.
If anything Unintentionally goes against anyone. I apologize for that.


Regards,

as far as, Pak-Iran relations are concerned they are not fraternal and cordial once since the Islamic Revolution. the islamic bond between them existed but in front of geo political and geo strategic national interests of the two states, the islamic bond is much weaker. the issue of "the Greater Bloushistan" was one was the causes which resulted in friction between the two states. moreover, in 1990s relations also deterioate when Pakistan supported Taliban which were against Shitte Islam.
so Pakistan never saw Iran as a very friendly state but also dont consider it as a potential threat in the past but in present conditions Pakistan is in no position to handle one more hostile neighbour.

Dear Asma_Sana

I Greet you In Islamic Way: Asalam-o-Alikum

Dear, Come out from the books and out dated notes, And use your thinking ability by analyzing the facts and figures. It was Pakistan, who delivered Nuclear Reactors and Centrifuges to Iran. Pakistan supported Iran and Iran supported Pakistan at many occasions, It was Dr.Qadeer who was so humble to Iran. Yes the way you are mentioning, as Hostile Neighbor and unfriendly attitude since 1990 or long. Its just look good in out dated notes. Iranian petrol are available at cheaper rate in Pakistan province, not only petrol,goods,raw materials and such other things are heavily smuggled in and out at daily basis.


Note: If anything Hurt anyone, I apologize for that.

Regards,

@bunko
 

I am quoting you:

Greet you in Islamic Way: Asalam-o-Alikum

@ Dr.MKShazad, Brother always use "Asalam" means " Peace Upon you" and "Salam" Means " Death upon you".


Dear
Salam means "Peace". It's like saying 'Hi!' - It is the most shortened version of the Islamic greeting (Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh) and originates from the hebrew greeting 'Shalom.!!!


I nowhere found the meaning "death" except Dr.Zakir's self explanatory connotation which I presume equivocal.

We shouldn't magnifysuch parochial interpretations. :)

Dear Oriental,

I Greet you in Islamic Way: Asalam-o-Alikum

Salam doesnt mean Peace, Slam means Peace.

Salam o Alikum, word is used by the kufaar to tease the muslims because it means " Death upon you ". As we pakistani people are always use to of short cuts. We always wanted to be rich in overnight, only offer faraz etc. So this instinct of our also removes alphabate "A" and made it pronounce like " SALAM WALIKUM" Which is wrong.

In Pakistan, Salam is more Urdu word than arabic, so majority of people dont differentiate between two. And you is one of them. ;)

Dear brother, I want you to consult any Imam or Qazi anyone, who you think have enough knowledge to deliver you the truth.

Regards,

@Bunko
 

[QUOTE=bunko;148960]Dear Oriental,

I Greet you in Islamic Way: Asalam-o-Alikum

Salam doesnt mean Peace, Slam means Peace.

Salam o Alikum, word is used by the kufaar to tease the muslims because it means " Death upon you ". As we pakistani people are always use to of short cuts. We always wanted to be rich in overnight, only offer faraz etc. So this instinct of our also removes alphabate "A" and made it pronounce like " SALAM WALIKUM" Which is wrong.

In Pakistan, Salam is more Urdu word than arabic, so majority of people dont differentiate between two. And you is one of them. ;)

Dear brother, I want you to consult any Imam or Qazi anyone, who you think have enough knowledge to deliver you the truth.

Regards,[/QUOTE]

Dear

I appreciate your answer :clap and I hope I can offer you a satisfactory note of simplification :

The word 'Salam' is an Arabic word originated from the Hebrew word 'Shalom 'refers to peace,itself derived from a Proto-Semitic šalām.

The word salam is used in a variety of expressions and contexts in Arabic and Islamic speech and writing. [B]Al-Salam[/B] is one of the 99 names of God in the Quran, and also a male given name in conjunction with abd. Abd Al-Salam translates to Slave of Al-Salaam i.e. Slave of Allah the All-Peaceable.

The word Islam derives from the Arabic triconsonantal root sīn-lām-mīm (SLM).Many different words are created from this root word by inserting different vowels between the three root consonants.Among these many words one is SALAM meaning Well-being or Peace.

Hence,the word Salalm is not an Urdu(as asserted by you) word nor it means 'Death'.

I think there is need to go to Qazi or Imam now ;)

Best Regards

Dear Oriental,

I Again Greet you in Islamic Way: Asalam-o-Alikum

First of All, I really appreciate your reply, very well quoted. Hats Off ! :clap
I already knew about everything you mentioned in your Post, You are absolutely correct according to Wikipedia (Source:[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-L-M[/url]) Perfectly you copied the text, and post, I appreciate your effort.

Dear, Salam also means Sale. You are right SLM is the root word where other words comes from. but it doesn't mean ever word derive from it becomes positive or peaceful. Arabic is so widen that even its becomes hot water for Arabic people to understand it, Thats why Conditions of Mujatahid requires command over Arabic language.

Definitely brother, I want to Quote hadees Here;

Holy Prophet (PBUH) [COLOR="SeaGreen"]"If bewildering difficulties and problems may appear, you should go to the experts of Hadith to solve them"[/COLOR]

And Wikipedia and Other Sources are not our Expert or Qazi
I think we should find one to open this pandora box for you ;)

Regards,

@bunko
 

Hi brother :)

I didn’t intent to prove myself right. Though, I could quote and cite many further sources. But my purpose was to show you the other side of the picture .

Dear; we should not make fuss of such petty things. Although 1400 years have passed yet we are unclear whether Islam means peace or Salam implies amity or death. And we are still wasting our energy proving each other wrong.

I never pay heed to such petty issues but I really feel upset when I see people brawling over such non- issues. To me it is all equal to say Namastay, Hello, Hi or Salam .My intention in uttering these words is amity not death or destruction to others.

And also, I don’t consider any one as Kafir .To me every religion is true in its aspects. I believe in these words of God as stated in Surah Al-Maidah (2:62 and 5:69),: ‘Verily, those who believe, and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.’

Today these non-believers or non-Muslims are more industrial and triumphant than Muslims, because they opened their minds and hearts, they followed the path of love and peace, and God as per His promise, rewarded them irrespective of their faith and creed.

So open you heart, my dear brother, and remove these glasses because that show you only one color. :)

Peace on U

Dear Oriental,

It is really nice reply. may be you are right, that we should not discuss such petty things. But the way you are thinking, Is absolutely the way i used to think. Anyways Lets put a full stop over it because you don't consider anyone kafir, so it is a waste of time to discuss farther anything. It was good to discuss with you.

InshAllah, God will show you the right path one day.
JazakAllah Khair,

Regards,

Correct Translation of the verse you mentioned is:

Surah-Al-Maida (5:69) Indeed, those who have believed [B][in Prophet Muْammad][/B] and those [before Him] who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

@ bunko
 

assallam allikom,
brother you hav mentioned that pakistan is the hube of
terrorist, and one can easily find out terrorist in QUETTA. and etc.
i swear by God that just come to QUETTA and find out a single
terrorist overhere , u will be awarded million rupees.. you are living
far away from quetta and might hav not ever seen quetta in your life and
by just watching BBC & CNN ,, u took it as trth and fact....that
Mullah UMAR is in quetta, and it is the breeding ground of talibans.
its very strange brother that what you hear
you believe it, without going at the bottom of the fact. Quetta is
not as you watch and listen in media,, here the situation is 180degree changed

[QUOTE=aliz_khanz;147679]Pakistan is fighting two wars with its own foolish people from FATA AND BALOCHISTAN [/QUOTE]

I think it is a very petulant remark to start with.

If you read the letter that Gen. Kiyani sent to tribal people (written in Pashto), it calls these people 'an army without salary'. So what does that make them?
They are men who were guarding our borders for decades without being rewarded even with the rights that rest of us in settled areas possess. There is a much bigger picture to this whole scenario. I think demarcating a line between good and evil is not so simple when we find our establishment's involvement in it.
Sitting in our fancy bedrooms in far off places, we have little right to comment on the integrity of the people who are bearing the brunt just because of the interest of the larger international players in their area.