@Ayesha thank u i agree w/ u.Regards

thankx 4 your favour kawish

I think Mr Obaid should perform this task, as he seems to have good command over the topic...

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your question needs a long answer that I can't post at the moment

any way if you ask me to answer it in one word, i would say that new system is far better than the older one because it provides a better administrative set up...
HOW ?
1) LGO 2001, had almost destroyed the administration of district. The powers and responsibilities given to various officers were undefined. There was no pivot at tehsil level and devolved institutions were working independently without any check. So there was a dire need to make a new system. AND the new system is addressing this issue by ending up with TEHSIL NAZIM & reviving ASSISTANT COMMISSIONERS.

2) devolution of institution is a good step, but has to follow certain limits too. LGO 2001 had made a district almost independent state and thus was against the provincial authority. Provincial authority is some thing necessary because, a province can afford to hire experts to form a policy, but a district can't. New system is addressing this issue too. Some institutions are completely devolved, like Primary Education, Basic health, extensions of Agriculture etc.

3) The process of the election of District NAZIM was very poor and vulnerable. Any feudal or Industrialist, no matter how unpopular he was, could be a district Nazim by spending a bit of money. That is why PPP couldn't win in LARKANA even... ..SO there was a need to make the system democratic so that it should move in line with public will. NEW SYSTEM IS ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE TOO BY INTRODUCING DIRECT AND PARTY BASED ELECTIONS.

4) Police and DMG must have coordination for better management of district. LGO 2001 had made police totally independent and DMG was deprived of its powers to play any role in enforcing law and order. That is why very sad and painful incidents (like in GOJRA) happened. NEW SYSTEM IS ADDRESSING THIS TOO.

I'll jot down rest of the points in my next post.....

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@obaid
thnk u so much.i ll be more grateful if u provide some link or recomment some source where all the blessings n burdens f this new bill are available.....
regards Hush Raho

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Firstly, dear i think i was not responding to your post. I was responding to what Ms. Ayesha was saying. In other words i was commenting on her suggestions.

Secondly, i am surprised to know that CM and his cabinet will have checks and balances on the local govt. In my humble opinion,system of checks and balances should be within district govt.

Thirdly, You have said that in many other countries police is not given free ride.
Well, dear not only police has been given a free ride but they are also equipped with the magistracy powers in many of countries (though these powers are restricted to law and order)

Andd everywhere in the world civil servants are accountable to the elected members of people. You cannot subjugate one before another after they have been recruited on the same merit and criteria.
In other words giving control of police to DMG will destroy the whole local govt system.

Unfortunately, Karachi city nazim is much more efficient,politically wise and charismatic than our CMs...lolzzz

Infact you are persuming the musharaf's local govt system as actual one (which constitution ensures). In that system, nazims were given chance because of their political affliation so that PMLN and PPP should be kept out and in many cases they were not given chance to work efficiently. You can not consider it the failure of system. It was because the system was not implemented in letter and spirit. If local govt system is implemented in its true spirit, problems can be solved.
Moreover, elections on the party basis is step in the right direction. IN this case parties will not be oblivious from the efficiency of nazims.

And onething more i dont think political leaders will afford scrapping local govt system altogether....

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@waseem gurmani
aoa from ur post it seems tht u r uncomfortable abt the new bill...
properly that should have been the approach f everyone.not getting sceptical abt everything but be a little careful in accepting changes.

i think if they had added some provisions as to the check over new administrators,that could have been something to get excited.the change has aroused nothing but apathy.gvt could have done it in much better way,if annulment f previous law was at all intended.

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Agreed to ur point that to be a Nazim u need a bit but fr a CM u need loads of money. Thtss all my dear.
Charisma........ Pervaiz Ilahi was a charismatic leader so he was CM nd 2 follow up that Zardari is our president.
Political participation........... if thts the criteria, may be Shahbaz sharif would nt be eligible in next 5 yrs too. There are numerous people in PML(N) tht have much more political participation then Mr Shahbaz

You cant even think of providing a Nazim a team of experts. Well thts what u shd be doing from day one. What makes u 2 nt think of tht.I really wonder a expert sitting at provincial level can knw the ground line situations nd problems in a district. A team of experts inevery field shd be dere to help Nazim. If u question the availability then my answer them temme i can make u alist of hundreds of professionals who r sitting idle just coz of sky rocketing employment rate of us. If u question abt the financial terms associated with tht team i guess government machinery ruins millions of rupees over ghost devolopment nd service sectors., so y nt used them fr something productive




A CM will do favor to his own district?? Well i would have been pleased had they been doing tht coz it ll gimme da hope tht one day he ll be thinking of the whole province as his own. Be it the CM or whosoever they never are touchy about their district nd their people. They just work fr the interest of a particular lobby without the support of which they cant be what they are. Mr Shahbaz has done much fr lahore nt coz he belongs to the city but coz tht elite lobby mostly belongs to the provincial capital.




Well thnx really fr me informing tht CSPz r nt posted in their own district. I was enlightened by thie piece of info. I guess i made it clear tht if u r talking in the common sense, yes social circle of a Nazim is lot bigger but when u talk of the pressure group or lobby tht is the same fr both. Believe me if u r a poor common man, it doesn't matter that u r a 1st czn of any Nazim or his next door neighbor. U r just nothing to him 2 even listen to u let alone being manipulated by you. Actually tht pressure group or lobby has to protect his vested interests nd they ll force any person(be it the Nazim or a DMG person) to ensure their stakes. I am nt questioning how many CSPz u personally knw but i somehow have somekind of interaction with little above a dozen nd i knw dere social circle.

Anyhow i dont wanna start a personal debate wid u. It may be tht we two have our own different perceptions of things. As no one is authority over her. So u can keep ur while i stick 2 mine.
It would be really kind of u if u can post the final version of LB amendment bill so tht we can talk over something real.

No offence meant
Regards

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Offcourse i am uncomfortable with this system. Because it is against the spirit of constitution.
Article 32 ofconstitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan states:

The State shall encourage local Government institutions composed of elected representatives of the areas concerned and in such institutions special representation will be given to peasants, workers and women.

Is the state really encouraging such system???

Article 140-A of the constitution states:

Each Province shall, by law, establish a local government system and devolve political, administrative and financial responsibility and authority to the elected representatives of the local governments.


How can we favour such system which is against the constitution.

Moreover, the new system is also against the much trumpeted Charter of Democracy.

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@waseem gurmani
so am i!
u are a very respectable member at this forum n im really moved by ur arguments...
im not totally against this bill nor the previous one coz both are not free f flaws.
but im still taking time to give my final judgement over this new bill.want to do after hearing others' views.lets keep our mind open to let the argument make its place.its only by being neutral that any judicious conclusion can be achieved.
Regards

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Waiting anxousily for the Final Judgement of the Kawish........