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Unhappy Transparancy is mother of democracy

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I want to know about your kind approach regarding the title. Are we doing right in Pakistan "Kill the mother to save the child". President is seeking for immunity. Is there any moral value in power corridor which will force authorities to stop this cruel game. Is this democracy ??

15.20 % unemployment rate

153/200 Rank in unemployment comparison rate

Increasing frustration

Enlargening poverty pool... See more

No foreign investments

Shortening of Middle class (Increasing lower class)

High inflation rate (14.2 %)

209/222 rank in High inflation comparison rate

Shortage of basic necessacities (Roti, Kapra and makan)

Dark cloud on economic horizon

24 % Population below poverty line

2 % elite class ruling

180 Million population

130 million with less than Rs 150 per day income

Cartel patronage policy

Are we approaching to right direction? Is it ?????

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Well, for me the situation is not that bad !
The figures quoted above are exaggrated to some extent as population of pakistan is not 180 million, it is around 165 m according to latest estimate. Pakistan was almost in the group of middle income countries about 2 years ago. Once the war on terror ends, the country will bounce back to the status of rapidly growing economies as all the fundamentals are intact. We just need a dynamic leadrer.
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the situation is worse than this. everyone is plundering this sacred land and its resources. in a country whose president is taking bribe in defense deal (Navy ships scandal) what is the standard of transparency. whose interior minister denying black water presence and police capturing american with illegal arms but still someone comes for their release what is the standard of transparency. in a so called democratic country whose government give full permission to USA to kill its people by Drones. my dear the situation is worse than this.
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Well, for me the situation is not that bad !
The figures quoted above are exaggrated to some extent as population of pakistan is not 180 million, it is around 165 m according to latest estimate. Pakistan was almost in the group of middle income countries about 2 years ago. Once the war on terror ends, the country will bounce back to the status of rapidly growing economies as all the fundamentals are intact. We just need a dynamic leadrer.

I do respect your opinion that for you country's situation is not too bad. I have presented statistical data based on The World Factbook website (https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/pk.html). According to the said website population of Pakistan was estimated 174,578,558 in July 2009. Dr. Farrukh Saleem presented the quoted figure of 180 million in a Talk Show named "Kal Tak" on dated 3rd February 2009. Your figure is taken from official Govt website.

Anyways I will not have a debate on this issue that these figures reflect axaggeration. I just want your thoughts and approach towards the transparancy in the country.

You did write about ending of war on terror. Could you please illustrate your sentense, do you have any time-prediction?? Are all the problems there just because of "War on Terror"? Is economy based on investment instead of consumption as you are claiming that it will grow rapidly?

Will you not beleive the Shahid Javed Burki's brief comment on pakistani problems "The only problem of pakistan is institutionalization of policymaking"? Why did this problem not resolve? Answer is "Islamabad is not willing to listen, doesn't have listening attitude. All statistical data provided by them is incorrect" according to him after his negotiations with officials.

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Well, with due applogise, i think you are also a victim of the the propoganda of private channels and some foregin website who are trying their best to bring a bad name to Pakistan.
When these intellacuals are in Gov. they change their tone and everything looks good, and when they are out of Gov. everything seems to them going to wrong direction and pakistan becomes a failed state !
The Army has given hint to wind up the operation next month and terrorists are on the run. Economic recovery is not far away. Look at the foregin exchange reservoir and stock market performance inspite of all the heavy odds.
There is always room for the imporvement and governence is not an easy task in a troubled country like pakistan.
Lets be hopefull and do our part of the work honestly.
Pakistan Zindabad.
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Indeed the situation is not good but we should not lose hope....we should see it as a trial and test for the nation and this country.....Nations undergo such situation and it purifies and consolidates them for the future challenges and opportunities..and I think it is a natural process.some rise from the dust of anonymity to the peak of dignity.other fall from the heights of glory to the dust.Every nation experiences such times and history proves this....Like todays powerful nations were once nowhere, but time changed and they rose........

lets hope that one day Pakistan will rise ....we would be the most respected and dignified nation in the world.....someday.........

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When these intellacuals are in Gov. they change their tone and everything looks good, and when they are out of Gov. everything seems to them going to wrong direction and pakistan becomes a failed state !

@socialogist

ur this point shows that our politicians and govt iz not transparant.thats y they always remains buzy to blame and criticise oneanother.transparancy iz really the mother of democracy and democracy z nt applied in pure and transparant form in Pakistan thats y it remained failed through out 62 years history of Pakistan.So reality iz reality v must accept and must face it.No doubt u lv Pakistan v also lv our country so much bt when v accept such things then v become able 2 take measures 4 it.
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Well, we select them and then blame them. If the politician are not honest, why we select them and send them to parliment ? Why we select the same corrupt lot again and again ?
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Well, with due applogise, i think you are also a victim of the the propoganda of private channels and some foregin website who are trying their best to bring a bad name to Pakistan.
When these intellacuals are in Gov. they change their tone and everything looks good, and when they are out of Gov. everything seems to them going to wrong direction and pakistan becomes a failed state !
The Army has given hint to wind up the operation next month and terrorists are on the run. Economic recovery is not far away. Look at the foregin exchange reservoir and stock market performance inspite of all the heavy odds.
There is always room for the imporvement and governence is not an easy task in a troubled country like pakistan.
Lets be hopefull and do our part of the work honestly.
Pakistan Zindabad.
Your kind words are really asset for my approach towards the current scenario but I do apologise for some reservations.

I must appreciate your optimistism and positiveness with loads of patriotism. I must consider your suggestion as the ultimate solution for current tough times and problems.

Let s make myself more simple, Let s consider all the statistical data provided by this world's fact book and presented by me wrong, also Burki isn't projecting the true picture.

Every person seeks for his basic needs which should be focussed on priority by the Government. Do you feel that people are happy to get these basic necessacities across the country? Are policies being drafted for poor? Look around yourself, even in your area ... Are there any good signs for improvement? Is poverty pool going to reduce?

Muslims are destryed by their thought "We are the best" istead of realizing the fact of the day even having the title "We were the best".

The way of improvement leads towards:

1) Defficiency highlighting
2) Confession of your failures
3) Start of a new journey

Are we having the listening attitude?

Are we ready to confess our failures?

Are we going to a new & right path, a journey of stability and progress?

This criticizm on system is not negative, beleive me please as it has constructive roots.

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Well, Your criticism is most welcome and is in good faith, i believe. You are concerned with the condition of your motherland as like every other overseas pakistani. But listining to the peoples who does not know ground realities and have no first-hand knowledge can derail your views about pakistan.
As far statistics, every individual or institution can cook its own statistics in the abscence of an independent fact finder body, but one can always read between the lines !
As for Development in my area, i find the Lahore of today much better then the yester years with Ring Road, underpasses,flyovers, new Traffic Ploice, Rescue 1122 service, child protection bureau and lot of new parks.
As for poverty, u should remember that pakistan is a developing country and lack the resourses that are necessary for the rapid development. Every Governemnet try at its level to imporve the conditions of people and things some time imporve but some time hit by the economic recession like these days. But the situation is not as bad as predicted by some "experts" on channels.
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