Is there any place for nationalism in Islam?

[mashal khan]

If islam allows nationalism then its all rightt,and if it is forbidden then why some nationalist parties in pakistan pleased to raise the slogan of nationalism.
I really would appreciate if somebody through some light on nationalism vs islam?

[KAWISH]

aoa
before my reply is read,these are the rules to keep in mind:
a-Islam does not discourage anything till its not against the fundamental rules laid down by it
b-where it does not speak unequivocally about some issue,it still provide fundamental rules through w/h meaning for the certain thing can be derived.
my argument:
1-we know a Hadit in w/h Prophet (SAW) said(the text is not gong to be exact) to follow a negro r even a non believer if he lead u by the rles f Book(Quran).
2-nationlism is tolerated if not encourage is derived from the fact that Islam is a rligion f peace.what if not nationalism,internalism?nationalim is a moral value in today's world n Islam does not forbids following any such course w/h isn t againt its values.
3- Allah Himself in Quran says that He has created us into Tibes,n make our groups so that we know eachother.
last argument tht i would give is nationalisms stands for common course f action,n He says thst His blessings are with the community.....
still got more but would better introduce them next time.Regards

[mashal khan]

a-Islam does not discourage anything till its not against the fundamental rules laid down by it

But sorry dear i am not agree with your points..Let me give you the example of Pakistan..ANP and BLF BNF etc,are nationalists parties,they are totally against punjabies and sindhis,they are promoting their culture and race,more they look very inferior to other nations, islam teach us equality,justice,and brotherhood,unity not disunity,superiority and enemity.

1-we know a Hadit in w/h Prophet (SAW) said(the text is not gong to be exact) to follow a negro r even a non believer if he lead u by the rles f Book(Quran).

the excat ahadis is:an arab is no better than a non arab,in return,a non arab is no better than an arab. a red raced man was not better than a black one except in PIETY,Mainkind are all ADAM,S children and adam was created out of clay.

Allah Himself in Quran says that He has created us into Tibes,n make our groups so that we know eachother.
last argument tht i would give is nationalisms stands for common course f action,n He says thst His blessings are with the community

"And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided."


We must give up the idea of nationalism because it is exactly what is dividing us. Quran says not to be divided, and several hadeeth talk against the disease of nationalism. Is the word of Allah and the messenger of Allah not enough for us ? If we take a look at current problems of Ummah, among other problems, it is obvious that we're divided, and therefore weak.

[Chosen_One]

Quran is unequivocal in this regard. Allah says
" We have created you male and female and have made you in tribes and nations so that you recognize each other (not that you despise each other); the best in the sight of Allah is one who is best in Conduct."
One can also deduce that the basis of Islamic Nationalism (Ummah) is not race, caste or creed, rather than its foundation is laid on Ideology.
Nationalism i think does not offends Islam until we make it a criteria to judge what is right and what is wrong.

[Mr.Nationalist]

Originally Posted by mashal khan

ANP and BLF BNF etc,are nationalists parties,they are totally against punjabies and sindhis,[/SIZE]

How? Justify your statement!

[KAWISH]

aoa the discussion is gettin useful....

@Mashal khan
dear the points u raised,i knew would come from somebody for sure.
the thing is we dont have exact concept of anything.we misinterpret n then take,most of the times,the most negative connotation.so is the case w/ NATIONALISM.there are two types of nationalism:
a-positive nationalism(loving ur homeland w/o hating others)
b-negative nationalism(loving urs n hating others' homelands)
if we adopt the first type it is as positive idea as Islam itself.
i hope that'd help u farm some opinion.Regards

[dr.atifrana]

I endorse d views of Mashal khan that in islam dere is no place for nationalism, exept islamic n.
People who think dey r right when dey ignore other downtrodden people(muslims) belonging to dif ethnic grp ,are really living a life of ignorance.
Although it z v.diff to sacrifice ur Assabya or grq feeling 4 d welfare of evry musl man and woman but not imposible.
This z d reason ,muslims r every where being tortured, their right of selfdetermination z being snatched,
they r being treated as terrorist.
So instead f thinking narrowly we should make our mus.society strong.
Look at europe they r helping each other in every field, they dont allow mus.states to join their rank.
We r lackin n dis respect.we should work 4 d interest f whol mus.ummah instead of fighting 4 things which surely wake ur way 2 hell.
The main reason why v hv developed this course f action z injustice .
Our corrupt leaders, intolerance, lack of trust, deficit of cordial environment,
selfishness,
lack of modesty,
and all those thing s which islam abhors.
Lets unite ourselve 4 single and powerful umma.
Regards

[niazikhan2]

mashal khan and dr.atifrana going positive...islam have no place for nationlism...nationlism is just for recognition only....iqbal condemned nationlism too..

[mashal khan]

Dear...i think the main chant of ANP KHPALA KHORA KHPAL IHTEAR...justify my answer means apne mattey apna rraj..only for NWFP pukhtoons.

i think a party which represents one part of a country is not a party but should be named pressure group.

[Chosen_One]

Dear you are confusing things. . . . the slogan of ANP mere reflects their inherent right to be governed by themselves according to their own wishes. And there is nothing wrong in it.