@Waseem Gurmani

You are absolutely right, our leadership is incapable and lacks vision against Israel's strong and effective leadership........I take my proposal back

cheers,
floydian

the discussion is on a healthy path,i may raise an issue.while speaking of the incapability of our gvt n all it someimes irks me."FOR HOW LONG WE ARE GOING TO LAMENT INCAPABILITIES OF OUR POLITICIANS"it is said that one of the problems w/ democracy is that people get what they deserve n desire...if we are getting for more than 60 years this all mess in farm of our rehtorical politicians then may be thats what we deserve...perhaps we need to work on ourselves before expecting anything daring n productive on part of politicians.
ON ISRAEL:
we may look this way; everything has gotten its weaknesses n israel is no exception.except america the whole world is raising objections against it.without any give n take ME issue is not going to be settled.there is Settlements problem,Fatah n hamas question,israel's rigidity in giving freedom even to the liberated regions(such as Gaza),recent development when natanyahu denied even two state solution.Israel is making the situation more fragile both for itself as well as for Palestine.this is the best time for Muslim world to join hands.they ll be felt n heard once they develop unity as well as capability.presently they are working on none...

the current condition of muslims is realy criticle.they are really very hard pressed from all sides,even the is a srong tendency of an implosion.if the world was not bothered abt muslims we won't have this:
a- iraq invasion,n that too on faulse claims
b- over ambitiousness against iran's nuclear projects,when more existential threat of israel's more than 200 war heads is there,n that too w/o any declaration or acceptance on part of israel
c- supporting dictatorial rules in muslim worlds
d- Europe's n West's ever conciousness against tenets of Islam,when openly promotong co existence,stealthily holding informal voting say against Minarates of mosques veil wearing woment.....

im not a proponant of self pitty or conspiracy theories,what im saying is that we need a persistant Vigilance n preparation...

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@kawish
Firstly, leaders are from us. When we talk about leaders, we talk about ourselves. "Jaisi rooh waise frishtay". Whole Muslim Ummah is undisciplined. So are the leaders.

Our preparation can be gauged from the response of Muslim world in case of last year's Gaza war where 1300 innocent civilians were killed. Egyptians tried to shut down underground tunnels, lest anybody should escape. I appreciate the role of Turkey in that fiasco and its leaders who are considered pre-dominantly secular.

Now we come to the real problem of the Muslim Ummah. We are hell bent on shattering western power in general and America’s in particular. We have never thought that we should build ourselves first and then go and compete on the world stage. Instead we want to pull back everyone from its position and bring them to that level where we stand. We want to compel world to see things from our perspective.

Visit any tea stall or barber shop, you will find yourself in the world of knowledge:
"America wants to attack Pakistan", "Americans and all other world powers are conspiring how to destroy Pakistan because Pakistan is such a prosperous and developed country that it directly challenges the western power", "America is igniting the fight among Muslims", whole the world is on one side and Pakistan on the other"

I don’t know when we will come out of these conspiracy theories. The sooner the better.

Yes whole world bothers what we do and who we are. They have apprehensions not because we are going to Mars but because we are the most poor and corrupt. They bother not because we are economically developed and socially strong but because we are psychologically ill.
Isn’t it a matter of pride for us that whole world bothers about us.

Solution:
Change will have to start from ourselves first. We will have to learn to listen others and then speak. We will have to respect others' opinion. We will have to behave in civilized way. We need to realize that everyone is correct in his opinion.
Respect comes with responsibilities. We need to dispose of our responsibilities first and then hope for respect.
Look how china has developed itself. Despite development on large scale, it is still silent.

Hamain buhat si khush fehmion se nikalna paray ga.

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i always adore ur posts n this is going to be the best till now.
the thing is most of us are thinking the same way.our suggestions are alike our indignations similiar.but when most of us ,like all of us dont take action,our aspirations met the same fate-bewilderment,new theories n new criticism.
the fact is we are afraid of our survival.we have grown over dependant of world powers that we fear responsiblity.dnt want to strive,nt even for our own survival n we are wounding our only n the strongest hope ever,the idealogies of our religion,by fearing,shunning(a hard word) n undermining the same.i do believe what Iqbal said: "it is Islam tht has saved Muslims n not the vice versa"
good luck Muslims
regards

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@ Kawish

All my words and thoughts are stolen beautifully by Mr Gurmani.

@ Waseem Gurmani

Sir, I am pleased to see your last post in this thread and completely agree with your recommendations.

regards,
floydian

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muslim countries has to unite in order to protect their selves and to destroy Israel as well as any anti muslim integration. like our great poet Allama Iqbal says.

"aik hon muslim haram ki pasbani k leay
neel k sahil se le kar tabkhake kashghar"

and dont be disappoint Inshallah muslims will rise and rule this world. that time is coming and the thing which we should do is that we should do whatever we can do in our capacity. if we try to be with the rising ones when Islam will conquer this whole world we will be counted as part of them. just try to be on the right side of this war, western media is spreading disinformation and they are blackmailing our youth on the name of moderation. i think we should follow Islam and should struggle for Islamic rule in this country.

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definitely israel, as well as some palestinese are involved murder of in jihadi leaders of palestine...........


One should rather die than be betrayed. There is no deceit in death. It delivers precisely what it has promised. Betrayal, though ... betrayal is the willful slaughter of hope. - Steven Deitz

I am still in learning period of life. I learn alot from talented people like you

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then u need a tribute too.as i said earlier that most of the times most of us think same things at the same time.appriciation for others is an ability that make u see beyond what u could have done but still what most of the time matches w/ ones concious or unconcios being.so is the idealogy so beautifully expressed by Mr. Gurmani n no doubt he is speaking what we could not say n even if we did was not done so effectively.

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What i perceive is that the Muslim Ummah is faced by an idealogical war. But instead of fighting it out, we are busy in blaming others for all our misery. The Muslims see it a easy way out rather than fighting this idealogical war within their mind. Majority of Ummah is not clear over their idealogical stance, and hence they fall for any False notion inculcated to them by politically motivated groups like Al Qaeda nd many more (I don't consider them any miss guided religious extremist group. They are well aware of their motives and have planned it as per their agenda)
Someone said "One who doesn't have any of his own will fall for anything"

So the evil forces plan to uproot first our own ideology nd then the task becomes easy for them to inculcate one which serves their interests. So the need of the hour is to revive our true identity n ideology. Unfortunately we have left this sacred duty of ours to a limited faction of Ulemas who are as much prone to be a part of a conspiracy as anybody else. Why do we always have to depend on these Ulemas for the interpretation of even the most basic question of our faith. We can earn dozens of degrees yet we cant spend even few months for seeking the basic knowledge of our religion so that we are not mislead by every second person in the street

I mean, go through the Usama bin Laden declaration for Jihad against evil forces(USA n allies) nd the Quranic verses he has mentioned over there, every common Muslim ll fall to that. Particularly this concept of Jihad has been so widely mis interpreted by a faction of Muslim for their own interests right from the very beginning(After Khulfa e Rashidin) till this Modern world.

The point im trying to make is that first we as a Ummah need to win this ideological war inside us before we can think of punishing others for their atrocities and injustice. But unfortunately for the time being we are doing exactly the opposite.

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