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It has also been observed that only those reap the profit, who have made an investment, i.e they pay heavy amount to party leadres for getting party ticket. And if they lost in election, they are accomodated in other ways so that they can get back their invested amount with profit.
A very good example of this is the gentleman who lost election but was made chairman of a Trust, where he sold the land of the Trust and resigned. (mission completed)
There are many example like this whcih shows the methodology of the Corrupt and how they make money and fled the country when the PPP govt. is about to collapse.
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I totally agree with you that not all workers get the benefit in the same coin. There indeed are internal dissections. For an outsiders, they claim to be one monolith party, however, as we all know well that it is not the case. So, whichever faction gains strength tries to stuff their cronies. Take two recent examples: (i) The reinstatement of PPP workers fired by Nawaz regime in 90's, and subsequent award of backdated promotions and service benefits to them. (ii) release of many prisoners in the 'honour' of passage of 18th amendment. Don't you think that these very people in these two cases would have a softer corner for PPP, and the families that have benefitted as a result of these actions would naturally become an added vote bank for the party.
What I am trying to say here is that instead of working for the wider public, PPP aims at providing some benefit to a small lot of loyalists who can then gather the mass for their campaigns.
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I agree that leadership does matter
Thank you so much !

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You are so kind ! You are a brilliant writer of the forum and I ever like your opinions which lead me to gain much knowledge for myself.

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and also welcome any debate on party structure.
I think I will definitely come back to learn more on this specific point of Party Structure ; but after tomorrow's election.

I am campaigning at the moment so busy in many things but will get back to you later hopefully.

Needy for your wishes for tomorrow's elections

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You are so kind ! You are a brilliant writer of the forum and I ever like your opinions which lead me to gain much knowledge for myself.



I think I will definitely come back to learn more on this specific point of Party Structure ; but after tomorrow's election.

I am campaigning at the moment so busy in many things but will get back to you later hopefully.

Needy for your wishes for tomorrow's elections

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I wish you good luck for the election, by the way i also want to know to whom you are supporting???
And please after election discuss the new parliament of UK and also discuss their foreign policy, and Muslims' position after elections?????
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Ya, and also compare the British methods of corruption with the pakistani methods.
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by the way i also want to know to whom you are supporting???
I am member of Labour Party and was busy to work as Campaign Assistant for Gorton Constituency, Manchester. You may find the result of my constituency on http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/ele...tuency/c81.stm

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I will definitely get back to you with updated information on asked topic shortly.

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Normally policies remain the same, Foreign Policy regarding Afghanistan & Iraq would probably be changed as it is the question of the day. Muslim position is quite sound here in UK so election wont pose any disastrous effect. Conservatives will do worse for them hopefully.

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also compare the British methods of corruption with the pakistani methods.
British Politicians are also currupt and they are used to have white collar curruption in a quite systematic way but in Pakistan Politicians do have curruption without any hesitation openly.

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Conservative party doesn't have a narrow and harsh policies for South Asia and also some papers wrote that they are racist and usually MUslims of UK do suffer where they got representation,,, I need your opnion on this specific issue
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As for as corruption in pp's tenure is concerned,it is not because of lack of leadership or common sense,it is because all of our politicians are egocentric,self satisfied,greedy,materialists,having lust of cruelty and oriented towards self construction rather than having a soft corner for proletariat and common citizens.A government is no need to have more than 10 ministers,but here we are experiencing an opposite phenomenon,where each and every powerful candidate wields a pen.Moreover, majority of the pp candidates belong to feudal setup,having a autocratic perception who believe in altitude but not attitude.We are facing their self created complexion;in the shape of hoarding, acquiring percentage on developmental and non developmental funds,involving in criminal activities,supporting the white collar crime,making appointments on the basis of money accumulation disregarding the rule of law and surpassing the ethical discernments.
It is an established fact that in electoral process a candidate has to incur magnificent expenses in order to pacify the lobbying groups and to saturate the opposition.they do not hesitate to purchase the pious right of one's vote by exploiting one's poverty and haplessness and to some extent playing with one's moral degeneracy.Once a candidate is selected,he/she then does not spare any chance of extracting out money from the national pool and from the blood of populace.
Government in balochistan is a living example of such vexatious blunders,where majority of MPA's almost 96% have been assigned miniseries,even the singular provincial liberary of balochistan has a minister.It is all about to make money,to keep the collision partners satisfied and to loot the national economy with naked hands.
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Good analysis
But i think the Independent Judicary is the main hurdel in their way this time. Today i read in a paper that High Court has declared illegal the appointment of many employees who were recruited by the orders of a minister from his constituancy.
And promotion of 54 fed. secretary to grade 22 by PM has also been reversed
by the Supereme Court earlier. They must be thinking of new ways to oblige their supporters now.
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As for as corruption in pp's tenure is concerned,it is not because of lack of leadership or common sense
This is the point of disagreement between us as I am putting forward Mr. Z A Bhutto's reign for debate again i.e. the least currupt tenure of Pakistan with 1.43 %

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it is because all of our politicians are egocentric,self satisfied, greedy, materialists, having lust of cruelty and oriented towards self construction rather than having a soft corner for proletariat and common citizens
Valid reasoning but not the primary cause because all of above factors participate in this phenomenon as secondary considerations, in my personal opinion as Z A Bhutto proved his regime with the available lot of politicians the least currupt Government.

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A government is no need to have more than 10 ministers,but here we are experiencing an opposite phenomenon,where each and every powerful candidate wields a pen.
Who runs the Government? Would you not catch the leader to fix the responsibility for your said bug?

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Moreover, majority of the pp candidates belong to feudal setup,having a autocratic perception who believe in altitude but not attitude.
Hopefully we were having more rigid fuedal lords in Z A Bhutto's time but why did they not perform in such a sense of today?

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We are facing their self created complexion;in the shape of hoarding, acquiring percentage on developmental and non developmental funds,involving in criminal activities,supporting the white collar crime,making appointments on the basis of money accumulation disregarding the rule of law and surpassing the ethical discernments.
All above mentioned crimes should seriously conducted in his period also to flourish the curruption but history witnessed not to be so.


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It is an established fact that in electoral process a candidate has to incur magnificent expenses in order to pacify the lobbying groups and to saturate the opposition.
I really agree the said factor to consider it as an important secondary or tertiary element in today's politics. People wanted change at the time of Z A Bhutto so Dr. Mubashar Hassan like guys were elected in his time.

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they do not hesitate to purchase the pious right of one's vote by exploiting one's poverty and haplessness and to some extent playing with one's moral degeneracy.Once a candidate is selected,he/she then does not spare any chance of extracting out money from the national pool and from the blood of populace.
Another bad aftermath of such a stinking usage of immoral and unjust resources to exploit the poor's mind.


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Government in balochistan is a living example of such vexatious blunders,where majority of MPA's almost 96% have been assigned miniseries,even the singular provincial liberary of balochistan has a minister.It is all about to make money,to keep the collision partners satisfied and to loot the national economy with naked hands.
Agreed

You have illustrated the reasons in very pretty manner but you did not agree on basic and primary aspect of this vicious crime i.e. Absense of devoted leadership.

Let me explain my words for you again, If PPP has a leader like Z A Bhutto who does not tolerate on curruption and unfair usage of country resources, nobody would have courage to do so as you mentioned in your precious post.

If Prime Minister is a loyal to his homeland like Z A Bhutto, no one could have enjoyed the benifits in shape of your drawn portrait as such a minister would never get second term party ticket then.

Administeration relates to the management and the best definition of management is to utilize your resources in the best way i.e. effective and efficient.

The top leadership play the primary role in building of nations and socities.

We are facing the same trouble since 1988 in PPP reigns coz Benazir Bhutto did not have those leadership and administerative capabilities which her father had practised at his time.

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