Although pakistan has always been considered among the corrupt countries of the world, but what i have observed is that whenever the PPP govt. comes in power, the scale and magnitude of corruption increases many folds.
Is this a special attribute attached with the People's Party or some forces take advantage of the soft attitude of PPP towards the corrupts ?
Your comments plz.

Although in every government corruption is the main objective of every member of the governing party. I agree with your comments that whenever PPP come into power the scale and magnitude increases, this is not because of PPP's soft image towards some forces but it is becaue of party strucuture.
PPP is the single party of Pakistan in which there is majorrity of feudal lords(Sardar Shahi), so because of their ill attitude towards the system. PPP is famous and leads all the time in the field of corruption
They usually appoint many officers on a fixed rate and their priority is to appoint all their near and dears.
And also one more reason for this all other parties except PPP, are pro-establishment parties, and from Zulfiqar Ali Bhtto to Ms.Benzair, they all were anti-establishment so during their regime they are very much exposed through various channels

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it is not a common at this time... pakistan has crossed the coruption list and got a grade in crouption.... due of guilty leader's ever we call our lukness or badness every time we got corrupt leader's and from peon to president all are thiefs.. in benazir governemt they done record corruption...

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Well, the question arise here is why the voters of Pakistan select them again and again inspite of the fact that they are proven corrupt ?
I am using the word "voters" cuz all the people dont vote in election and maximum turn out in the election is around 50%.
Is this due to the fact that in all election there are same voters and same canidates everytime and remaining 50% dont turn up ?
And if the remaining 50% also came out to cast their votes, the result would be surprising ?
lets deleberate as there is no other way to bring change.

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PPP stands on the strength of its die hard workers. These very people are its vote bank and generate the support from amongst the masses. So whenever PPP comes to power, it tries to reward its workers by hook or by crook. The range of workers vary from lowest level to the highest.

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Ohh, i see, good point.
I also know some of the highest level "workers" being rewarded these days.
Not sure about the low level workers.

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Originally Posted by xavier Although in every government corruption is the main objective of every member of the governing party.

agreed

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I agree with your comments that whenever PPP come into power the scale and magnitude increases, this is not because of PPP's soft image towards some forces but it is becaue of party strucuture.

In my personal opinion it needs a debate

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PPP is the single party of Pakistan in which there is majorrity of feudal lords(Sardar Shahi)

agreed

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so because of their ill attitude towards the system, PPP is famous and leads all the time in the field of corruption

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They usually appoint many officers on a fixed rate and their priority is to appoint all their near and dears.

agreed

But the core debate is still there; let me put the Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's reign for Curruption debate (The real PPP's period). You will find the lowest ever Curruption rate in Pakistan History i.e. 1.43 % according to Transparancy International Report which I have already shared in other thread.

This will automatically negate your core thought, I do agree with your secondary and additional reasonings but the most important is leadership capability which matters a lot.

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And also one more reason for this all other parties except PPP, are pro-establishment parties, and from Zulfiqar Ali Bhtto to Ms.Benzair, they all were anti-establishment so during their regime they are very much exposed through various channels

Brilliant ! I do agree with your statement but you have to fix the responsibility on leadership which provoked curruption in their reigns.


Let me put some figures for Governmental comparison on basis of curruption:

General Ayyub khan = 2.14 %

Z A Bhutto = 1.43 %

General Zia = 1.54 %

Benazir Bhutto (88-90) = 8 %

Nawaz Shareef (90-93) = 10 %

Benazir Bhutto (93-95) = 48 %

Nawaz Shareef (96-99) = 38 %

General Musharraf (99-02) = 34 %

General Musharraf (02-06) = 67 %

This report of transparancy international was published in end of 2006 so you could compare the ruling elites.

I don't have updated info with me but I am 100 % sure that curruption would be more than Musharraf's regime.

Regards

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@ txned
I agree that leadership does matter, i welcome your every comment and criticism and also welcome any debate on party structure.

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I wonder what they do with the ill-gotten money as a person has a limited time span in his/her life and all the huge amount they collect remained there in lockers and bank accounts without any use to everyone.

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Munir niazi once said "Quran aise haseen kitab hai ke bezameer logo se pardha kar lete hai".
Although we are Muslim country but majority of the parliamentarian did not know how to read The Quran, when majority do not know what Quran and Islam says," then how could they understand that corruption is a criminal offense".
I hope you get my point.

M.Ali sahab, please don't cover the ill-happening. Die hard workers were died on 27th December when Ms.Benazir Bhutto was killed. I ask you one question how many PPP workers could get employment. I belong to interior sindh i know what are conditions over there, those workers who scarified their lives for PPP they are suffering, even they couldn't get meal for two times a day
Look at the practical things what Chandias family who were killed during Zia regime what did they get, 28 young boys were killed in MRD. Now there siblings are suffering and arguing that, this was a big mistake that they sacrificed for PPP

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