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@sana krn....i am totally agree you...
islam was not spread by sword....according to islamic history,high tax ratio for new muslim during ummyyads time which was lifted by Umer Bin Abdulaziz... mostly muslim rulers does not supports islam as a state religion and specially in sub-continent mughals did't support islam as a state religion thats what i think....
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y did the muslims conquered arabia ,egypt ,africa ,indo pak ,persia and other parts den? dey imposed jazya on non muslims tooo true dey didnot spread islam wid sword but dey spread islamic territory wid sword
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@sociologist...read the spirit of islam...ne ov the most widely read and acclaimed book ov islamic history-you would get me....islam aint a novel religion....its a thousand year old history-do you think MOHAMMAD bin qasim imposed islam upon those he deemed and declared as ZiMMIS...?read islamic history=written by moslim writers or EDward said...cease reading insanes as krauthmmer ov w.post...our history aint that horrid...its just that we love to hate!....this holds true specially for wahabbis...they deem they own islam...and they are fundamentally flawed in their percept....
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Is islam spread by sword?

If not then explain with reason please..
Islam didnot spread by sword..this notion was popularised by non-Muslims and western communities for the sake of their own benefits..Shibli Nouamani in his book Seerat-ul-Nabi',completely denied this weatern belief with his solid arguments..Islamic history is replete with a number of incidents where many non-Muslim embraced Islam due to the humble and Kind behaviour of Holy Prophet(PBUH) and his Companions(R.A)...Holy Quran revealed that"Deen k mamle mein koi jabr nhi"..."Apna Deen mut choro,kisi ka Deen mut Cheero"..how the followers of such a peaceful religion can use sword for the popularistion of "ISLAM-RELIGION OF PEACE"...Holy Quran tells us that"Qayamt k din Muhammad(S.A.W)apne sub se zaida ummati hone pe Fakhr krain ge"...yes,Muslims used Sword in the battlefields not for Killing others but for the removal of evil forces..which were not allowing innocent Muslims to live peacefully...Islam is still spreading fast in the worlddespite the fact that Muslims are dubbed as TERRORISTS by foriegn Media..
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if islam spread without sword then tell what any other religion are present who spread with sword?

all religion spread without sword.
religion is personal matter now anyone can bond to accept his religion
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yes islam was mostly spread by the logic and teachings of the preachers but u cannot deny the fact that almost everywhere (Indonesia being the only exception), muslims one way or the other conquered the territories. and that was through sword...

yes muslim rulers didn't impose their religion on their non-muslim subjects bcoz muslims established essentially a secular form of govt based on meritocracy. this is why the most celebrated poet of ummayad court was a christian, in spain and turkey the jews flourished, akbar's court had hindu rattans as well.

but it would be naive to assume that the sword played no role in the spread of islam. all the territories which we consider belonging to musluim ummah were conquered through sword.

but i dunno why we should b ashamed of it????
christians found acceptance in ancient rome because they militarily grew stronger and constantine converted to christianity. christianity was imposed on the ppl of europe and they were forced to convert. the point is almost all religion were spread because they had a territory and strong military support of the strong rulers. tell me would islam be still a religion of the masses in mid east if muslims had lost in crusades???(don't forget spain dear fellows).

so i take it as a normal thing that islam was spread because muslim armies swept through all parts of the world and muslim rule brought enlightenment through modern philosophy and spiritualism through sufis. islam offered the humanity "salvation" and ppl went for it. its that simple. y complicate it???
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but it would be naive to assume that the sword played no role in the spread of islam. all the territories which we consider belonging to musluim ummah were conquered through sword.
well said,
examples are many even in our part of the world, Asia. take the examples from the invasions made by Mohammad Bin Qasim, ghaznavid's, Ghurids', Mughals and many others, if they didn't conquer these territories Muslims wouldn't be in such a huge population, by mere propogation of Sufis and intellectual missionary endeavors, though the contribution of sufi saints in propagating Islamic teachings is a never denying fact. But the conquests (be it political, economic or religious) made through sword also made way for extensive propagation.

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well well here topic is islam spreas by sword or not???? not that islamic territory spread by sword or not...its proven truth territories always expand by power n weapons.
but b4 saying that islam was spread by sword lets c other asspectc wen holy prophet(P.B.U.H) migrated to madina almost all ppl of madina (AUS, KHiZRAJ) accepted islam territory was conquers 1st muslims state was evolved but without sword.....yea macca was conquerd but again muslims were not one who did agression or invasion it was ppl of macca who did that n in responce muslims reacted n victory ws granted by Allah.
all the khulfa-e-rashdeen were not violent even all muslims ruler,khulfa just responded to aggression n becoz they were in,usd good strategey they conquer and snatched most of the land of enemy.
n bcoz of islam this s caled modren civilised world came to know abt humantarian laws. we should all be proud that Islam has laid down a set of humanitarian laws, Along with principles now incorporated in the Geneva Conventions; Islamic law contains provisions not yet incorporated in modern international instruments. For instance, the protections provided by the Conventions are in the nature of multilateral treaties. Islam provides all these protections unilaterally. Similarly, the Conventions allow the detaining state to exact labour from those prisoners of war that are below officer rank. According to Islamic law, no labour can be exacted from the captives.
n let me say that world was never a peacful place to live wars are always in existance in any part of world...so one cant belame islam for that bazintini romen,greek all anciant ppl were not muslim bt they spread teritory through sword. y nobody says thn that chrischnity is spread through sword? y for islam only??? romans were not muslim but bfor evedant of islam they were rulling the world through cruelity n sword.
muslims wre blammed bcoz they prowed them self to b rulers n super powers. n its law of nature that one super power always exist in world as now USA...y dunt u blame USA for its agression now???? tell me is christinity spreading through american invasions????as bush himself declare these invassions cruesads????
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well, it leads us to another important question, whether we can separate politics from Islam or not???

because Islam is a complete code of life, and the socio-political and economic ideals of Islam are very clear. if the conquest made by sword had political intentions then why we are proudly calling them as Muslim conquests. those conquests, besides, political and economic objectives, had their religious end too, and that was to imposed Islamic system. for sure one can not say Islam is spreaded by sword only. sword was been used where there was no way for political dominance of Islam. and where there was inequality, ignorance and socio-political injustices, Muslims conqurors went their to deliver the Justice of Allah.
take the example of Mohammad Bin Qasim, why he invaded sindh, its was becasue of injustices made by the king of cylone, he didn't deliver justice when the priates brutally killed the Muslim merchants.

instead of using sword here we can employ, political conquests made by Muslim warriors had greatly supported the propagation of Islam.
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